Did you know in Haiti there is a Civil War Going on Outside no Man is Safe from?

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Prayers and blessing to all. This really needs to hit mainstream news and aid and help should be sent - if our Haitian family wants it.
People need to understand there no such things as help, it’s basically a loan against your ressources that goes in the pockets of those in power. Changing the president won’t help because they will just install another puppet
 

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INTERNAL ISSUES
Coup, or coup d'etat is part of the fabric of Haitian history, though. Literally. I think it's hard for people to think of alternative methods when violence has been used so often to voice frustration.
We both know that rioting/ violence is counterproductive, but the danger is that sometimes it works. So people are always going to think that it's the best way. The street violence that erupted last year directly caused the govt. to walk back that proposed fuel tax.,
The corruption scandal mentioned in OP involves PetroCaribe, and it was the tipping point .



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EXTERNAL ISSUES
Mercenaries/Agitators CAUGHT RED HANDED meddling.



To advance the goals of the U.S., military operatives have openly or secretly meddled in the affairs of other countries.
 

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Prayers and blessing to all. This really needs to hit mainstream news and aid and help should be sent - if our Haitian family wants it.
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The center of the Haitian American community is South Florida, at this point, and they have been vocal about keeping the public aware of what's happening.
It's an issue of internal corruption/incompetence by Haitian leadership and the country is stuck between a rock and a hard place.

If true democracy is ever going to take root in Haiti, how do you force out an elected president?
If Jovenel stays in office, how do you stop the protests?
 

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If true democracy is ever going to take root in Haiti, how do you force out an elected president?
If Jovenel stays in office, how do you stop the protests?

that's the quandry isn't it?

it's why i always shake my head at people saying such and such president "needs to go" like it's as simple as that, without thinking about how that contributes to the destabilization of a country and further erosion of that country's political system.
 

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that's the quandry isn't it?

it's why i always shake my head at people saying such and such president "needs to go" like it's as simple as that, without thinking about how that contributes to the destabilization of a country and further erosion of that country's political system.
When I discuss current situation in Haiti with people, I try to show them this poster that came out commemorating the bicentennial.

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Been looking for a bigger version of this for years, and still haven't found it.

Just the dates of the terms they served says EVERYTHING about the political instability in Haiti's history. This was true even before the international community formally recognized Haiti.

During a 6 year period in the 19teens, there were five different leaders.

Each coup d'etat or leader stepping down just makes it easier for it to happen in the future.

But when you see the type of evil behind these corrupt moves, with leaders knowing and not caring how many people DIE because of their thievery, what do you expect people to do?
In developing countries, stakes are higher. In a developed country a politician might skim off the top of an infrastructure project budget. But it will be completed.
In Haiti, the budget for the project will "evaporate", and it will never even start.
 

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When I discuss current situation in Haiti with people, I try to show them this poster that came out commemorating the bicentennial.

haiti_leaders.jpg


Been looking for a bigger version of this for years, and still haven't found it.

Just the dates of the terms they served says EVERYTHING about the political instability in Haiti's history. This was true even before the international community formally recognized Haiti.

During a 6 year period in the 19teens, there were five different leaders.

Each coup d'etat or leader stepping down just makes it easier for it to happen in the future.

But when you see the type of evil behind these corrupt moves, with leaders knowing and not caring how many people DIE because of their thievery, what do you expect people to do?
In developing countries, stakes are higher. In a developed country a politician might skim off the top of an infrastructure project budget. But it will be completed.
In Haiti, the budget for the project will "evaporate", and it will never even start.

That's my problem with these motherfukkas. I told my cousin that the people wouldn't even care if they stole a little, just as long as they got projects done. He said fukk a little, they could still half and we wouldn't give a fukk. Just get stuff done. They would even get voted back in, and these protests wouldn't exist. They might even get rid of term limits for your ass. How the fukk are you going to steal everything? That tells me there are powers that don't want to see Haiti progress.
 

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All the coli zoes im sending love and prayers to yall family this shyt been brewing for at least 10 years and its prolly finna get ugly unless it ends quickly smh
 

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Opposition rejects Haiti's prime minister election
Port-au-Prince, 3 Mar (Prensa Latina) After surprising appointment of Joseph Jouthe as Haiti´s Prime Minister, opposition sectors on Tuesday lashed out at the election process and stated that President Jovenel Moïse did not take into account political negotiations.

Andre Michel, spokesperson of the Democratic and Popular Sector, a hostile opposition platform, said that a head of Government so close to the President will balk the socio-political crisis solution, while questioning democratic guarantees.

'He deceived everyone. He deceived civil society. He deceived political parties thinking he was in good faith. He even deceived the international community expecting a political agreement at the end of these discussions,' the political activist suggested.

On Monday, Jovenel Moïse lived-tweeted the appointment of Joseph Jouthe as Prime Minister, and instructed him to establish a consensus Government as early as possible.

Joseph Jouthe was serving as Minister of Economy and Finance, and Environment, and previously held several positions in public administration, including special advisor to former Head of Government Jack Guy Lafontant (2017-2018).

Meanwhile, Former MP Jean-Robert Bosse believed that the appointment of head of government will worsen the national crisis as well as alienate moderate opposition parties.

'A victory for those who firmly believe that a political agreement with President Moïse is not possible,' wrote the former MP on social networks.

Emmanuel Menard, member of the Force Louverturienne party and the Democratic Bloc platform, confirmed that Joseph Jouthe´s election was not discussed in the political negotiations held recently.

'President Jouthe Moïse made a unilateral decision, therefore he chose the path of confrontation,' he said.

Joseph Jouthe is the fifth head of government since March 2017, and he will face a complex scenario, marked by increased insecurity, rising poverty and political disagreements, as well as popular discontent with the administration management.
 

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UPDATE FEB 2021



Haiti teeters on the edge of constitutional crisis | Miami Herald

February 02, 2021

Haiti is once again engulfed in uncertainty as a brewing constitutional crisis plunges the country into unrest and President Jovenel Moïse fights off demands to step down by the week’s end.

Schools were shuttered and businesses and markets remained closed Tuesday as unions frustrated over an alarming rise in kidnappings and other crimes by armed gangs staged a two-day strike. Meanwhile, the embattled president’s opponents are vowing to continue taking to the streets unless he steps down Sunday, the day they argue his term legally ends.

But Moïse isn’t giving any signs he plans to leave.

“There will be no short pass,” he said Monday in an address to the nation, referring to a soccer term for quickly passing the ball to a teammate. “It’s up to the Haitian population to say, ‘Here is the person who I like, and who I want to give the pass to for five years.’”

The constitutional dispute over when Moïse’s term should end threatens to throw the fragile nation, already besieged by decades of turmoil, into a deeper crisis. In office since Feb. 7, 2017, the president argues his five-year term ends in 2022. But political opponents, civil society groups and some legal scholars contend his mandate ends on Feb. 7 this year. They argue that his term actually started in 2016, when his predecessor, President Michel Martelly, left office without a successor after the initial first round of voting in October 2015 was marred in fraud allegations.


Martelly was replaced with a provisional president, whom opposition parties and civil society groups say used the first year of Moïse’s term.

The Federation of Bars of Haiti is backing up the opposition’s claim, noting in a recent six-page declaration that the president himself utilized the same narrow interpretation of the constitution in dismissing two thirds of the Senate last year. The group’s president, Jacques Letang, said that set a precedent for Moïse’s term to end Sunday. He blamed the country’s leaders for failing to create a constitutional court as the magna carta requires.


“They did all that was possible to never put it in place,” Letang said. “If today there was a constitutional court, there wouldn’t be all of this chaos.”

The confusion is adding to the political turmoil and fueling tensions among Haitians fed up with a dismal economy, corruption and a surge in gang-driven crime. In recent days, protesters have filled the streets in major cities around the country demanding Moïse’s departure and an end to the violence.



Kidnappings for ransom are on the rise, with recent victims including schoolchildren in uniforms, teachers and public transportation drivers. Most of the abductions are tied to gangs controlling neighborhoods and demanding a high price for a victim’s release. Human rights groups have also accused the gangs of carrying out massacres in poor neighborhoods.

On Sunday, as mostly maskless Haitians made their way through the streets of the capital, the crowd sang “Mare yo, mare yo,” or “Tie them up, tie them up,” referring to Moïse and members of his government. They accused the president of being a dictator and failing to curb crime or improve their living conditions.

As one branch made its way down from Pétion-Ville, the upscale hilltop suburb of the capital, marchers referred to the current Haitian constitution, which ushered in democracy in 1987, citing lines on presidential terms and their right to health, education and food. Others yelled “No to kidnapping!” while vowing to keep demonstrating. Elsewhere, demonstrators burned tires, threw rocks and clashed with police who fired tear gas. Police were lined up along the streets and at the Champ de Mars public plaza, where riot police used tear gas and blocked protesters from getting near the presidential palace grounds.

“The population is here to say, ‘No to insecurity! No to misery! No to high cost of living!’” said protester Léveillé Pierre-Louis, who was standing with a crowd on the Champ de Mars between the Ministry of Defense and the state-run National Pantheon Museum dedicated to Haiti’s independence heroes.

A lawyer, Pierre-Louis said he came out to protest the uptick in crime and show solidarity with those who have been kidnapped and victimized by gangs.

“The authorities who are here and supposed to provide security are simply crossing their arms, leaving the population to fend for itself,” he said. “Massacres are happening, kidnappings are happening, insecurity. But there is a date coming, February 7, and on that day the president has to hand over power.”

In one incident, a radio journalist reported that a protester was bleeding from his head after being shot. Refusing help to go to the hospital, he dropped to his knees in front of officers.

Smoke from tires set on fire by protesters fills a street in Delmas, where vendors sell clothing, during a countrywide transportation strike protesting rising insecurity and ransom kidnappings in Haiti Monday, Feb. 1, 2021. Opposition leaders are pushing for President Jovenel Moïse to step down on Feb. 7 while Moïse has said his term ends in February 2022. Dieu Nalio Chery AP
Moïse, who came into office with the backing of less than 10% of registered Haitian voters, has faced challenges to his rule from inception. An attempt to raise fuel prices, and later corruption allegations over Haiti’s mismanagement of billions in loans from Venezuela, and his purported benefiting from the corruption scheme before taking office, led to violent protests and fueled calls for his departure. Moïse has denied any wrongdoing.

Last January, Moïse began ruling by decree when he dismissed a second-tier of the Senate and the entire Chamber of Deputies, the lower house of Haiti’s legislature, after the country failed to hold elections to renew parliament. Since then, he has published a slew of presidential decrees that have allowed him to accrue power for himself outside of the constitution — which he is now trying to replace.

Opposition parties and civil society groups oppose the constitution change, saying it’s illegal because referendums are forbidden, and contend that it’s impossible to organize legitimate elections under his rule.

During his address, Moïse did not mention the unrest or the strike. Instead, he tried to convey the image of an emboldened leader. He focused much of his speech on his planned projects — more electricity, a vote for a new constitution via referendum in April and elections for a new parliament later this year. He also told Haitians to prepare to elect his successor in September.

He also put his own spin on the ills plaguing the country, claiming that the alarming spike in kidnappings for ransom is being used as a political tool to destabilize his government and resist his reforms.

He vowed in vague terms to go after those who use kidnappings for political purposes.

“Faced with reforms, there is always great resistance from those who favor the status quo,” he said.

Liné Balthalzar, president of Parti Haitien Tèt Kale, the Haitian political party under which Moïse ran for office, said he believes the chief executive’s term ends next year. If, however, it is chaos that awaits the country, “we would rather take the path of dialogue rather than go to violence.”

Opposition leader André Michel said Moïse has two choices: Respect what opponents believe is the correct interpretation of the constitution and leave, or choose chaos and disorder.

“He is a man who has lost his mind,” said Michel, who represents the opposition’s main coalition, the Democratic and Popular Sector. “He speaks of a series of projects, election, constitution, electricity, while his constitutional mandate ends in six days, Feb. 7, 2021.”

Haiti’s chaotic situation has deepened concern about where the country is headed less than two years after a United Nations peacekeeping mission departed after 15 years. Though brought in to stabilize the country after a rebellion ousted then-President Jean-Bertrand Aristide in 2004, the U.N. left with a mixed legacy over what it actually accomplished.

The police force it helped train, is weak; institutions it was supposed to support are non-existent; and the country, chronically unstable. Meanwhile, the economy is crumbling and Haitians are facing rising food insecurity and human rights violations.

The U.S. and the Organization of American States have said they want elections to get the country back on a democratic path. The U.N. recently announced that it had reached an agreement with the government to manage a fund for the upcoming election and referendum vote. The European Union and others, however, have raised concerns about the credibility of any vote in the current context, where thousands of Haitians still lack voter registration cards, or the birth certificates to get one, and armed gangs are proliferating in the country.
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Joseph Lambert
On Monday, Sen. Joseph Lambert, a veteran politician, was frantically trying to see if he could mediate some kind of political accord this week between Moïse and the opposition and civil society groups seeking his ouster. Lambert is among the 10 remaining legislators in the Senate and was elected the chamber’s head.

“My big worry today is preventing a period of chaos before February 7 and after February 7,” said Lambert, who declined to share his opinion about when Moïse’s mandate constitutionally ends.

Political mediation and dialogue have failed to gain momentum in Haiti, where the international community has also been unable to broker any kind of agreement with Moïse and his foes during his time in office.

If Haiti’s political leaders cannot reach an agreement, Lambert said, “it is certain that 2021 will be a year of combat, a dying year, for all Haitians, starting with Jovenel over what I would call questions about his legitimacy.”

On Tuesday, Catholic bishops in Haiti, who have offered to serve as mediators in the political crisis, reiterated the church’s plea for dialogue.

“The country is on the verge of explosion; the daily life of the people is death, assassinations, impunity, insecurity. Discontent is everywhere, in almost everyone’s domains,” the Episcopal Conference of Haiti said in a written statement. “There are many angry subjects, such as: how to establish a Provisional Electoral Council, how to write another constitution, etc. So it’s not just the ravages of kidnapping that make the country totally unlivable. Should we accept or tolerate this?”

The bishops, like the Bar Federation, also noted the decision that Moïse took last year that led to him ruling by decree.

“The President of the Republic applied the electoral law and the constitution for the deputies, senators and mayors in previous years,” the church leaders said. “He thus affirmed the unity of the law for all elected officials, including himself.”

Haiti has had more than a dozen provisional governments since the departure of dictator Jean-Claude “Baby Doc” Duvalier in 1986, and instead of progressing, the country has fallen deeper into despair.



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On Sunday night, various factions of the opposition, with the exception of former President Aristide’s Fanmi Lavalas, once the most powerful party in the country, unveiled a proposal to the country for setting up a two-year transitional government to replace Moïse.

The so-called “Terrace Garden Final Accord” came after more than a year of discussion. Eight members of the opposition and seven members of civil society would be tasked with choosing an interim president, prime minister, and members of a transitional government. The president would come from the country’s Supreme Court or another institution.

While the sway of Fanmi Lavalas remains a matter of debate, the fact the party is not part of an opposition consensus underscores the division among the president’s detractors. Members of the opposition have been plagued by infighting and disagreement, as well as accusations that they want Moïse out to seize power for themselves.

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Robert Fatton

“Trouble is bound to happen,” said Robert Fatton, a Haiti-born political science professor at the University of Virginia.

Fatton cited the country’s recent history with Martelly, who left office without a successor, and the late President René Préval, who faced his own electoral crises, despite being the first Haitian leader to twice serve out his full constitutional term and then hand over power to a successor in the opposition when Martelly was elected in 2011.

“Nothing has really changed with elections and presidential departure in Haiti,” Fatton said. “So yes, protests and more protests are very likely.”
 

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Deal Negotiated For Pause In Kidnapping In Haiti

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May 11, 2021


Haitian nationals have taken to the streets in recent months to demand their right to life in the face of an upsurge in kidnappings perpetrated by gangs. (Photo by VALERIE BAERISWYL/AFP via Getty Images)


By NAN Staff Writer

News Americas, PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti, Tues. May 11, 2021: A deal has reportedly been negotiated for a pause in kidnapping in Haiti between a commission for disarmament and two gangs there.

Le Nouvelliste newspaper, citing a source, reported that the National Commission for Disarmament, Dismantling and Reintegration (CNDDR) has struck a deal with the gangs of Grand-Ravine and Village-de-Dieu, two of the three main armed groups involved in kidnappings, to pause.

“After much negotiation, the armed groups of Grand-Ravine and Village-de-Dieu agree to take a break. They gave the guarantee that they would not carry out any act of kidnapping during this period, ”Le Nouvelliste quoted a source as saying.

It is unclear how long the break will be but so far, there has been no kidnappings in more than a week and all the people kidnapped have been released without any ransom paid.

“This action plan will allow the CNDDR to have the necessary means to apply the reintegration component which aims to build confidence among armed groups in order to achieve disarmament. You cannot disarm someone without giving them anything in return, ” a member of the CNDDR, speaking on condition of anonymity, told the paper.

Kidnappings in Haiti increased by 300% for the month of April 2021, when 91 cases of kidnapping were recorded against 27 cases last March, according to a report from the crime observation cell of the Center for Analysis and Research in human rights (CARDH
 
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