Did you find Anakin Skywalker sympathetic in the prequels?

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I don't think he was sympathetic but that's not the problem. The problem was the actor was awful. The origin of Vader should've been on the level of "Macbeth" in terms of character development, and it wasn't.

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I thought Hayden played a whiny arrogant, overly emotional but powerful Jedi quite well. I guess people will agree to disagree to the end of time. I think people had a certain mental perception of how they wanted Anakin played and when they didn't get that then you have this..
 

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The part when Obi Wan hid on Padme's ship and She didn't know He was there. That part was messed up. I felt bad about that whole situation. So sad!
 

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It wasn't the actors.. it just the directing. Lucas shoulda got help with prequel trilogy

I didn't think the directing was that bad...just underwhelming. Personally I found Anakin's reasons for turning to the dark side to be less than convincing...not sure any amount of directing would really make me think "I had a bad dream about my wife dying and Palpatine says he can prevent it" is a good reason to turn evil and kill a bunch of people (including plenty of other people's spouses). But again, maybe homie above is right and it's not supposed to be a good reason in the first place.
 

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People can blame Hayden but I think that's unfair.

He wasn't bad in other films I've seen him in.


Lucas writing and directing was just god awful.


Just listen to some of that dialogue man. There is very few ctors on Earth who could make that come off as anything but terrible.
 

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Anakin and his turn was the most botched aspect of the prequels.

In Phantom Menace he's not AS bad as people make him seem. He's probably the most likable in that film, the main problem being the dialog is bad and seems like it's written for a much younger child. The child actor wasn't very good which also hurt the character, he's supposed to come across as precocious but instead come across as a high functioning kid with aspergers.

Attack of the clones is where Lucas REALLY fukks up with Anakin. The biggest flaw here is that as a young padawan Anakin is CLEARLY fukked up in the head and emotionally. He just goes on emotional and whiny tangents out of nowhere and nobody seems to acknowledge it. Padme in particular sees him throw fits on two separate occasions where he talks about hating Obi Wan and killing sand people and she just stares at him blankly. Yoda is another one that sees that Anakin is unstable but never does anything about it, he senses Anakin in pain and full of rage from light years away and its' never followed up on. Anakin is his least sympathetic in this film, we're never given a reason to root for or even like him, he just doesn't seem like a good person. He seems more like that rich kid who feels entitled to everything and thinks he's better than everyone else.

Revenge of the Sith is a mixed bag. On one hand we do see that Anakin has matured a bit from his younger days, we get a slightly better feel for him as war hero (but not much), and we do see that he genuinely loves Padme. The biggest issue in this film is that even after 2 films Anakin still doesn't resemble the great Jedi or kind man that Obi Wan told us he was in A New Hope. His turn doesn't seem very shocking or feel very painful because we've already seen how unstable he was in Attack of the Clones. There's also the issue of how easily he turns, we never see him struggle with the decision to turn on the Jedi and become a Sith. The most we get is that scene in Palpatine's office where he looks he's constipated or high off bath salts, after helping kill Windu he shows brief regret then immediately turns and kneels before Palpatine.

The reasoning for Anakin's turn was also rather weak. Dude had a dream about Padme dying and that's what pushed him over the edge? His turn needed to be slower and much less obvious. It was also a mistake to have him cross the line and start killing people so early, that should have been the final line he crossed and it shouldn't have been another Jedi that he killed.

What's funny is that Anakin/Vader is much more sympathetic in the Clone Wars cartoon and in the Star Wars Marvel comic.
 

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Anakin and his turn was the most botched aspect of the prequels.

In Phantom Menace he's not AS bad as people make him seem. He's probably the most likable in that film, the main problem being the dialog is bad and seems like it's written for a much younger child. The child actor wasn't very good which also hurt the character, he's supposed to come across as precocious but instead come across as a high functioning kid with aspergers.

Attack of the clones is where Lucas REALLY fukks up with Anakin. The biggest flaw here is that as a young padawan Anakin is CLEARLY fukked up in the head and emotionally. He just goes on emotional and whiny tangents out of nowhere and nobody seems to acknowledge it. Padme in particular sees him throw fits on two separate occasions where he talks about hating Obi Wan and killing sand people and she just stares at him blankly. Yoda is another one that sees that Anakin is unstable but never does anything about it, he senses Anakin in pain and full of rage from light years away and its' never followed up on. Anakin is his least sympathetic in this film, we're never given a reason to root for or even like him, he just doesn't seem like a good person. He seems more like that rich kid who feels entitled to everything and thinks he's better than everyone else.

Revenge of the Sith is a mixed bag. On one hand we do see that Anakin has matured a bit from his younger days, we get a slightly better feel for him as war hero (but not much), and we do see that he genuinely loves Padme. The biggest issue in this film is that even after 2 films Anakin still doesn't resemble the great Jedi or kind man that Obi Wan told us he was in A New Hope. His turn doesn't seem very shocking or feel very painful because we've already seen how unstable he was in Attack of the Clones. There's also the issue of how easily he turns, we never see him struggle with the decision to turn on the Jedi and become a Sith. The most we get is that scene in Palpatine's office where he looks he's constipated or high off bath salts, after helping kill Windu he shows brief regret then immediately turns and kneels before Palpatine.

The reasoning for Anakin's turn was also rather weak. Dude had a dream about Padme dying and that's what pushed him over the edge? His turn needed to be slower and much less obvious. It was also a mistake to have him cross the line and start killing people so early, that should have been the final line he crossed and it shouldn't have been another Jedi that he killed.

What's funny is that Anakin/Vader is much more sympathetic in the Clone Wars cartoon and in the Star Wars Marvel comic.
What turned him was that he was a mix of him not being to cut off emotional ties (reason why they took babies), Palpatine's manipulation (Anakin was a fatherless impressionable teenager with no one to relate to in the Order. Palpatine filled that void), he's mother was killed (and probably raped) and he blamed it own himself, and then envisioning Padme dying had him in search for more power to prevent that. Anakin got more reasons than the typical comic book villain for turning bad, imo
 

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What turned him was that he was a mix of him not being to cut off emotional ties (reason why they took babies), Palpatine's manipulation (Anakin was a fatherless impressionable teenager with no one to relate to in the Order. Palpatine filled that void), he's mother was killed (and probably raped) and he blamed it own himself, and then envisioning Padme dying had him in search for more power to prevent that. Anakin got more reasons than the typical comic book villain for turning bad, imo
That has never existed in SW universe, :dahell: wrong witchu?
 

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What turned him was that he was a mix of him not being to cut off emotional ties (reason why they took babies), Palpatine's manipulation (Anakin was a fatherless impressionable teenager with no one to relate to in the Order. Palpatine filled that void), he's mother was killed (and probably raped) and he blamed it own himself, and then envisioning Padme dying had him in search for more power to prevent that. Anakin got more reasons than the typical comic book villain for turning bad, imo

Exactly. He was an AAU kid. He's from the street's street. He only has 3 people in his corner, and he's from a world in which he actually knew his mother. He has Padme, a politician, his first crush, that he wants probably because she was his first crush and he can't have her (Jedi rules), his big brother Anakin - a fellow rebel Jedi, but he has 1 foot in the Order and 1 foot rebel, and his Old Head Palpatine who is playing chess when no one else is even aware they are on a board. He's rarely seeing Padme, Obi Wan is telling him the truth but also obeying Order orders and Palpatine is telling him everything he wants to hear.

His only outlet was the Jedi, which the Jedi were limiting him while simultaneously using him, with his Old Head all up in his head telling him how they didn't want to see him great, secretly manipulating him. How else would he turn out? Of course Obi Wan saw a different side to him, since they would be out chillin and cutting loose on missions...but to the Jedi, he was what he was.
 

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What turned him was that he was a mix of him not being to cut off emotional ties (reason why they took babies), Palpatine's manipulation (Anakin was a fatherless impressionable teenager with no one to relate to in the Order. Palpatine filled that void), he's mother was killed (and probably raped) and he blamed it own himself, and then envisioning Padme dying had him in search for more power to prevent that. Anakin got more reasons than the typical comic book villain for turning bad, imo

No one to relate to in the order? He wasn't the only Padwan at the academy and he had other friends and allies, it wasn't like he was only running around with Obi Wan during that time.

Also you can explain the reasoning but we never really see it in a convincing fashion in the prequels. So much fo what you're talking about happens off screen and is only referenced briefly after the fact.
 
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