Did NY hip hop ever make you want to be part of the 5%er's?

[A.V.]

I'm not slandering him, I'm just stating a fact which you have acknowledged.

I also agree with the south's take on it. That's why the WU never got any love from me and my people because we wasn't into their message.

I also want to thank you for showing that there is a strong connection to Freemasonry and 5%ism (if you will).
On a side note, is it a coincidence that the % symbol on the keyboard is also the number 5 key? I just realized that while typing. *Puts on tn foil hat*

There IS a VERY strong correlation between 5%ers and Freemasons, and what most 5%ers won't admit is that essentially we teach the same thing. (That we are Gods). There's just this perception that ALL Freemasonry is rooted in EVIL, and with the EVIL folklore, reptilian theories etc, it gives Masons a bad name, when in all actuality (albeit most were racists and slave-owners smh,) the Founding Fathers who were Masons, pretty much had it right...with the whole believing they were Gods, and not subscribing to one particular religion thing. A lot of the Founding Fathers were deists/atheists, and believed in God, but not from a religious perspective. Which is what originally promoted the ideology of this being the "land of the free", and "freedom of religion & nonreligion", as well as independent thinking. In that respect, the Gods & Masons have a LOT in common. So the mis-perception that all Masons are is a group of powerful shadow people controlling the world is played out and false. Contrary to popular belief, the Pledge of Allegiance, Constitution, etc are not rooted in Christianity, but in FREEDOM of and FREEDOM FROM religious subscription. Even with the "under God" phrase in the pledge, it's only seen as an acknowledgement to either the Creator, or whatever YOU deem "God" to be.

@The HONORABLE SKJ
@AVthaPHARAOH
Let me ask you something. Do they teach that you are gods or do they teach you are God? Meaning do you acknowledge you have some attributes of God that God has given you, give lives in you etc. therefore you are gods, or are you saying that you are the creator God himself?

I'm not going to go into the teachings in depth, because for what it's worth (and one problem I have with the Nation itself) is that there are certain fundamental lessons/beliefs I don't agree with. But the culture itself promotes individual thought and research, so it's all in how you interpret the word God. What I was taught, was that the Black Man is God, for reasons of chronological preference, history, scientific proof of life originating in Africa, etc. Not necessarily the creator of all things in existence, but technically so, as in whatever energy manifested that created the universe, and ultimately Man (with the Original Man being Black), had to be the same energy that created everything else. So you can make a case for either, technically. It makes sense from a scientific standpoint, but can also breed confusion, and delusions of grandeur if the student isn't capable of critical thinking and objectivity.


Me personally, another issue I have with the Nation (and this just comes from being a thinker) is that I cannot refer to the "White Man" as solely the Devil. Because if the White Man exists, and the Black Man is original, then, at some point, the White Man was born as an offshoot of us, or (as the Nation teaches) as an experiment...which I neither believe or agree with. It still traces back to us, so there's no place for us to label a race, regardless of historical actions as the Devil. It's just racism breeding counter-racism. It'll never end, that's not PEACE. If we can be Gods respectively, we can be Devils too...and Devil can apply to any person of any race, who thinks or acts accordingly.


In my eyes, God is literally everything. All matter, all humans, animals, etc. The energy that manifests itself in all living and unliving things, from a molecular level, right down to atoms, protons and electrons...all came from one source. Ideologically, to me...without knowing or acknowledging this, humans are just humans. And only become Gods once they realize what MAKES them Gods, and act accordingly. I'm all for the Nation, being that it was meant as something to uplift Black America, without the stipulations of Religion attatched. BUT, when you substitute one set of ideologies for another, without FULLY allowing your constituents to think independently of the culture (the "devil" thing, for instance), then it becomes just as dangerous and factually irrelevant as an organized religion. This is why I say I'm a 5%er, but have transcended the culture itself.


Peace.

 

[A.V.]

Naw, but did make me think about some of their teachings... I guess its all relative, I came up in Brooklyn in the 90s so all that 5% stuff was very common for me to hear, so hip hop didnt really have a chance to influence me related to that.

More or less, the Bloods took over for the 5%ers, In the 90s the 5% were strong in the east coast penal system, so dudes would come home talking 5% knowledge, and it spread around the region based on that mostly. But eventually they lost their power in the east coast prisons to the Latin Kings. The Latin King's rule was too severe however and eventually the blacks banned together to form UBN. Eventually it seeped out the prisons similar to how 5%er knowledge used to. So the same young cats that came home dropping knowledge in the 90s came home throwing up hand signs in the 00s.

Honestly I dont really support a lot of the details of the 5% science, but always respected the build and destroy aspect. A lot of dudes learned how to form logical arguements and rational thinking behind build and destroy sessions, a lot of wild nutso dudes who I know from growing up really learned how to think critically from these type of cyphers. And as nutty as some of the teachings are, by the time dudes I know became older gods they had enough knowledge of self to abandon aspects that they didnt find rational, some dont, but many do.

Honestly, think its better to come home talking bout sun, moon and stars, rather how many points on your set's star... but when you are a warrior ideology you got to be able to back up that science with actually winning in the war.

My last post, I basically just said this...just now noticed your post. Salute.

 

[Poitier]

LOL Eastern philosophies and even shyt like Ayn Rand's Objectivism are pretty much the same thing as 5 % ideology. Black people really thought that shyt was groundbreaking.

 

[scuba]

LOL Eastern philosophies and even shyt like Ayn Rand's Objectivism are pretty much the same thing as 5 % ideology. Black people really thought that shyt was groundbreaking.

Naw... I mean the 5%er stuff is a lot more than just 'black man is god' thats really a small part of the aspect...

 

[A.V.]

LOL Eastern philosophies and even shyt like Ayn Rand's Objectivism are pretty much the same thing as 5 % ideology. Black people really thought that shyt was groundbreaking.

For what it's worth, all religions & philosophies are borrowed from, conglomerated, mixed up, modified and regurgitated. Lol, the same can be said about Christianity, and most modern religions. These same Eastern philosiphies and Ayn Rand books at a point weren't groundbreaking themselves. When they're introduced to a larger audience that was unaware of it, is when it becomes groundbreaking. (as 5% was to Blacks. And again, for what it's worth...the IDEA of the Black Man being God wasn't so much a new idea anyways, as much as it was REMINDING Blacks that this is closer to what we used to believe before organized religion came through and crushed the buildings.) No ideas original. So pointing that out, as a slight is kind of shortsighted. As a cat who's opinion I agree with more often than not on here, you get a my nikka.

 

[smokeurobinson]

The culture was more alive when the 5% influence was dominating

LOL Eastern philosophies and even shyt like Ayn Rand's Objectivism are pretty much the same thing as 5 % ideology. Black people really thought that shyt was groundbreaking.

When did Ayn Rand say the whiteman was the devil? What eastern philosphy said that a scientist used dynamite to blow up the earth and create the moon?

 

[Poitier]

For what it's worth, all religions & philosophies are borrowed from, conglomerated, mixed up, modified and regurgitated. Lol, the same can be said about Christianity, and most modern religions. These same Eastern philosiphies and Ayn Rand books at a point weren't groundbreaking themselves. When they're introduced to a larger audience that was unaware of it, is when it becomes groundbreaking. (as 5% was to Blacks.) No ideas original. So pointing that out, as a slight is kind of shortsighted. As a cat who's opinion I agree with more often than not on here, you get a my nikka.

The culture was more alive when the 5% influence was dominating




When did Ayn Rand say the whiteman was the devil? What eastern philosphy said that a scientist used dynamite to blow up the earth and create the moon?

I shouldn't have been as extreme and probably more nuanced. The whole tenant that you as the subjective observer control your reality, GOD, and not some external force is rooted in centuries old philosophy. This is in opposition against something like Christianity which preaches that you have no control over your fate and external forces control everything. I do agree it's a good mindset to put people in that wouldn't know any better. Now all the historical aspects of the 5 percenters I can't speak on so I should have made that clear.

 

[Young/Nacho\Drawz]

There IS a VERY strong correlation between 5%ers and Freemasons, and what most 5%ers won't admit is that essentially we teach the same thing. (That we are Gods). There's just this perception that ALL Freemasonry is rooted in EVIL, and with the EVIL folklore, reptilian theories etc, it gives Masons a bad name, when in all actuality (albeit most were racists and slave-owners smh,) the Founding Fathers who were Masons, pretty much had it right...with the whole believing they were Gods, and not subscribing to one particular religion thing. A lot of the Founding Fathers were deists/atheists, and believed in God, but not from a religious perspective. Which is what originally promoted the ideology of this being the "land of the free", and "freedom of religion & nonreligion", as well as independent thinking. In that respect, the Gods & Masons have a LOT in common. So the mis-perception that all Masons are is a group of powerful shadow people controlling the world is played out and false. Contrary to popular belief, the Pledge of Allegiance, Constitution, etc are not rooted in Christianity, but in FREEDOM of and FREEDOM FROM religious subscription. Even with the "under God" phrase in the pledge, it's only seen as an acknowledgement to either the Creator, or whatever YOU deem "God" to be.







I'm not going to go into the teachings in depth, because for what it's worth (and one problem I have with the Nation itself) is that there are certain fundamental lessons/beliefs I don't agree with. But the culture itself promotes individual thought and research, so it's all in how you interpret the word God. What I was taught, was that the Black Man is God, for reasons of chronological preference, history, scientific proof of life originating in Africa, etc. Not necessarily the creator of all things in existence, but technically so, as in whatever energy manifested that created the universe, and ultimately Man (with the Original Man being Black), had to be the same energy that created everything else. So you can make a case for either, technically. It makes sense from a scientific standpoint, but can also breed confusion, and delusions of grandeur if the student isn't capable of critical thinking and objectivity.


Me personally, another issue I have with the Nation (and this just comes from being a thinker) is that I cannot refer to the "White Man" as solely the Devil. Because if the White Man exists, and the Black Man is original, then, at some point, the White Man was born as an offshoot of us, or (as the Nation teaches) as an experiment...which I neither believe or agree with. It still traces back to us, so there's no place for us to label a race, regardless of historical actions as the Devil. It's just racism breeding counter-racism. It'll never end, that's not PEACE. If we can be Gods respectively, we can be Devils too...and Devil can apply to any person of any race, who thinks or acts accordingly.


In my eyes, God is literally everything. All matter, all humans, animals, etc. The energy that manifests itself in all living and unliving things, from a molecular level, right down to atoms, protons and electrons...all came from one source. Ideologically, to me...without knowing or acknowledging this, humans are just humans. And only become Gods once they realize what MAKES them Gods, and act accordingly. I'm all for the Nation, being that it was meant as something to uplift Black America, without the stipulations of Religion attatched. BUT, when you substitute one set of ideologies for another, without FULLY allowing your constituents to think independently of the culture (the "devil" thing, for instance), then it becomes just as dangerous and factually irrelevant as an organized religion. This is why I say I'm a 5%er, but have transcended the culture itself.


Peace.

Thanks for your response. You may want to look into the historical group Illuminati and its infiltration of Freemasonry. That may change your mind on a few things. If Freemasonry has been infiltrated and is controlled by the Illuminati and groups such as the 5%ers are off shoots of Freemasonry or have been heavily influenced by Freemasonry, then what does that tell you? If this is true which my research leads me to believe and Hip Hop itself is deeply rooted in 5%er teachings, then what does that say about Hip Hop?

 

[bzb]

it was hard to be heavy into east coast hip hop in the early 90s and not have some interest in 5%. rakim (the god), bdk, prt, brand nubian, wu (word is bond i'm coming to get my culture cipha god, and mad shots went off), mop, even busta was spittin the lingo. i never went further than digging to understand what they were saying, but it was an interesting perspective of the black man amid all the negativity at the time (the crack era). i also agree with the point made earlier that 5% (and the noi) were positive influences to some knuckleheads.

 

[VladTheImpaler]

Allah, I mean Clarence Smith was also declared legally insane. I still have the old F.E.D.S. magazine with him on the cover talking about him.

Depends on your source. through his words while still in the physical, Allah or Clarence 13x let knowledge be born. if you understand his wisdom through supreme mathematics you could begin to over stand his message. from Mecca(Harlem) all the way to Pelan.... His idea of Arm Leg Leg Arm Head manifest bond.
To those that ask, 5% can't be Muslims as by true content, to " believe" means to have some type of doubt. If any of u here get it, feel free to let knowledge be born.

 

[VladTheImpaler]

its all under the islam tree right?

Actually no or rather not exact completely. Before he professed himself as the true and living he was once apart of the NOI and specifically FOI but much like Malcolm, he became disillusioned and in disagreement with some of the things he felt he came to understand there. He and many others after while either left or were made to leave. Certainly some of the philosophy was anchored but there were some extreme key differences. Much like differences of York and his science's followers the same.

 

[scuba]

5% is extremely opposed to Orthodox Muslim... the prime principle of Islam is 'submission', the prime principle of 5%ers is I Self Lord and Master... A lot of the terminology is shared, or rather a lot of the terminology comes from Islam, but its often redefined to have completely opposite meaning...

NOI is fundamentally a weird sect of Islam, 5%ers are fundamentally completely opposed to Islam

 

[A.V.]

Thanks for your response. You may want to look into the historical group Illuminati and its infiltration of Freemasonry. That may change your mind on a few things. If Freemasonry has been infiltrated and is controlled by the Illuminati and groups such as the 5%ers are off shoots of Freemasonry or have been heavily influenced by Freemasonry, then what does that tell you? If this is true which my research leads me to believe and Hip Hop itself is deeply rooted in 5%er teachings, then what does that say about Hip Hop?

Lol @ "you may want to look into the Illuminati." Son you're talking to me about something I've put YEARS of research into. I didn't just start doing this. Secondly, I never said, and do not believe to the best of my knowledge that 5%ers are an offshoot of Freemasonry at ALL. Christians and Muslims both revere the teachings of Jesus, that doesn't mean they're offshoots of eachother, or in cahoots, because they agree upon certain ideologies...


And like I said...for one, anything esoteric is normally labeled as "demonic" or "heresy". This was originally done (think Middle Ages, Crusades, even before that, etc.) to discourage the public from freedom of thought, and to fall under the influence under the state-ruled religion. At the end of the day, there's no evil cult group with reptilian lineage who worships owls and controls the world. For the most part, the "Illuminati" or illuminated ones, (illuminated by "light"/knowledge...meaning...those who have knowledge that supercedes the average individual/conventional way of thinking) wasn't what you think it is. I'm not saying the group doesn't exist, I'm saying the attributes given to them by paranoid conspiracy theorists are usually fabricated, wildly-imaginative bullshyt. These "shadow" groups existed, and their morals at times were less than good, the rest though is a lot less religiously sinister...


YES, there are evil, powerful groups and men out there. YES some of them happen to be very smart, and rooted in these cult-like groups and fraterneties. YES 5%ers (when you do the math) actually share SOME similar beliefs as far as KNOWLEDGE goes. But that's as far as it goes. All this "what does that tell you" you're spewing is rooted in conspiracy-like thinking and non-factual research. We only know what can be factually proven, remember that. And even then, some "facts" can be disproven or logically put up for debate, so there's little room for imaginary culprits, and folklore/anecdotes in the realm of critical thinking and fact-finding.


I like that you seem inquisitive, but the things you're bringing up are only the tip of the iceberg of relevant, fact-finding thought.


What this says about Hip-Hop, and society as a whole, is that the average person is IGNORANT, DUMB, DEAF & BLIND to the ways of the world, and true history of not only mankind, but EVERYTHING. Ultimately it is up to the individual to find "truth", and their own form of Heaven, love, peace and happiness. That's the ONLY thing ANY of this says. Remember, the most important question you can ever ask or seek answer to, is WHY.

Peace.

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

There IS a VERY strong correlation between 5%ers and Freemasons, and what most 5%ers won't admit is that essentially we teach the same thing. (That we are Gods). There's just this perception that ALL Freemasonry is rooted in EVIL, and with the EVIL folklore, reptilian theories etc, it gives Masons a bad name, when in all actuality (albeit most were racists and slave-owners smh,) the Founding Fathers who were Masons, pretty much had it right...with the whole believing they were Gods, and not subscribing to one particular religion thing. A lot of the Founding Fathers were deists/atheists, and believed in God, but not from a religious perspective. Which is what originally promoted the ideology of this being the "land of the free", and "freedom of religion & nonreligion", as well as independent thinking. In that respect, the Gods & Masons have a LOT in common. So the mis-perception that all Masons are is a group of powerful shadow people controlling the world is played out and false. Contrary to popular belief, the Pledge of Allegiance, Constitution, etc are not rooted in Christianity, but in FREEDOM of and FREEDOM FROM religious subscription. Even with the "under God" phrase in the pledge, it's only seen as an acknowledgement to either the Creator, or whatever YOU deem "God" to be.






.

THAT IS NONSENSE BROTHER....I as a GODBODY have been one of FREEMASONRY's strongest advocates..but i am also MAN enough to CRITICIZE it's "flaws".....

AV.........yes indeed the correlation between 5% and FREEMASON is strong...simply because as the LESSONS TAUGHT US as youths it asks the question "WHO ARE THE 5%??

and the answer refers to the POOR RIGHTEOUS TEACHERS whom are the MOSLEMS (moors, sufis, seveners, ishmalites) and the MUSLIM SONS (shriners) whom are MASONS

My question unto you lord..where DID YOU GET THAT WE PERCIEVED THEM AS EVIL?

... WE NEVER GIVEN THE MASONS A BAD NAME or said they didn't TEACH THE SAME THING...

WE ALL FROM THE SAME ROOT...which is KEMIT (EGYPT) so techinically WE (BLACK FOLKS) created FREEMASONRY...why you think we as 5%ers are called UNIVERSAL BUILDERS and they BUILD AS WELL AS MASONS???

maSONS are simply OUR CHILDERN whom gone astray ....

It was the CHRISTIAN CHURCH whom persucuted masons as well as thier predecessors the KNIGHTS TEMPLERS whom gave them a bad name i.e (satanic, occult).......

We simply said "THEIR IS NO SECRET!!"

Making a man PAY to "view" the ROYAL SECRET in a DRAMATIC CEREMONY as opposed to having him obtain the KNOWLEDGE OF IT WITHIN HIMSELF WAS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!

To the masons the 33rd degree is a HONORABLE DEGREE...the regular (white) masons did a diservice to many by witholding the true esoteric meaning of this which relates greatly to BLACK MEN AND PARTICULARLY BLACK WOMEN whom they KEPT from it.

BLACKS had to form PHA (PRINCE HALL AFFILIATED) lodges because GEORGE WASHINGTON rejected the concept of a black mason, so the black masons went to petition the U.G.L.E (united grand lodge of england) whom ACCEPTED the masons but only on STRICT TERMS, and the reason they did this was to UNDERMIND the whites in america..cause ENGLAND and USA were at WAR!!!!

And still to this day....the SHRINE (moslem sons) will NOT accept blacks....

So how can you not say the White man doesn't have a DEVILISH NATURE when he has DEVIATED from the TRUTH .............

We are a REMINDER OF THAT TRUTH which he fails to accept...and is validated in his sciences.......freemasonry is based on ancient esoteric sciences which validates the DIVINITY OF THE BLACK MAN and it's right to spread it's LIGHT TO THE OTHER HUMAN FAMILIES:

*sacred geometry (pythagoras and euclid both studied in africa to learn fundemental truths which form blue lodge freemasonry )

*kaballah (this numerological system based on esoteric integers has it's roots Metu Neter (words of god) of egypt ......and even was practiced in Fez, Morroco according to Christian Rosencruz prior to it's "corruption by the so-called jews of isreal whom ommited the OZ (O) which reveals a esoteric secret related to dark matter and the dual nature of the black man)

*alchemy (is about refining and the main product to be refined is the PRIME NIGREDO (original black) into the philosophers stone of shining light , which is a refrence to CHI and CHRIST and the regenetive nature of man and a dogma acknowledged in freemasonry)

So it is foolish brother to think that we would DEGRADE our muslim sons (masons) when they have degraded themselves and also submit to us...if you knew the lessons they CAN'T REVEAL what is taught unless it is to somebody worthy of 35-50 years of service that's why that SWORD IS ABOVE THIER HEAD ....THEY FAILED THIER OBLIGATION something they haven't done...THEY SELL DEGREES TO ANYBODY.....IT AIN'T HARD TO BE A MASON

 

[mortuus est]

This shyt is deep gawd, big up vlad and av and the rest of you guys in this thread