You would think that they were winning them consistently with Melo. You would think that they don't have a better record tan the Knicks since the trade.
Did Knicks actually win Melo trade?
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You would think that they were winning them consistently with Melo. You would think that they don't have a better record tan the Knicks since the trade.
It's very apparent to me that people are judging this as if both teams had the same goal in mind when making the trade or as if they were on equal footing in terms of leverage. Even if you are looking at it like that Denver is in the lead. However if you take into account what the Knicks were trying to do when they go Melo vs. what the Nuggets were trying to do I don't see how you can possible call it anywhere near even. If someone had told any of ya'll that the Nuggets would have a better record 2 years after the trade nikkas woulda been like 
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. Yet nikkas are sitting here blatantly ignoring the shyt and acting as if a nice start to the regular season or "relevance" was what the Knicks were aiming for when they traded for Melo. I'm sure everybody saying it's even was expected the Nuggets to do what they have done the last 2 years. 
It's amazing what nikkas will over look or spin for a player/team that they like. 
//. Yet nikkas are sitting here blatantly ignoring the shyt and acting as if a nice start to the regular season or "relevance" was what the Knicks were aiming for when they traded for Melo. I'm sure everybody saying it's even was expected the Nuggets to do what they have done the last 2 years. It's amazing what nikkas will over look or spin for a player/team that they like. 
People said they got better without melo, but that's false. At their best with melo they went to the WCF, this team never will. You know it's bad when you have to count playoff wins(as opposed to series) in a discussion
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It's very apparent to me that people are judging this as if both teams had the same goal in mind when making the trade or as if they were on equal footing in terms of leverage. Even if you are looking at it like that Denver is in the lead. However if you take into account what the Knicks were trying to do when they go Melo vs. what the Nuggets were trying to do I don't see how you can possible call it anywhere near even. If someone had told any of ya'll that the Nuggets would have a better record 2 years after the trade nikkas woulda been like
what I learned over the last two years is Knick fans have a very hard time appreciating context.
the Nuggets are actually younger since the trade happened (third youngest team in the L) and have positioned themselves to possibly host a playoff series in the western conference. Masai has done a phenomenal job rebuilding and unlike the Knicks, we're not in "win now" mode and have the growth of the team to look forward to and/or the consolidation of some of our assets to acquire that final piece.
we're not SA/OKC level yet but we won't be an easy out as long as squads have to go through that Mile High torture chamber. :iggy:
It is utterly
how nikkas cling to that one season. Every other year like Melo ended just like the last two have ended without Melo and they are all but guaranteed to at the very least match that this year. They may not be better but they are at the very least as good as the team was for the great majority of Melo's time there. Yeah it is bad when you gotta count playoff wins but that's all either team has. So what else are nikkas supposed to look at? If you had told a Nuggets fan that they would actually make the playoffs in the two years after Melo left they woulda been like
. If you had told a Knick fan they would only have one playoff victory they woulda been like . But hey they sure are relevant. 
I've never in my life heard playoff wins be used in argument until the last 2 years comparing Denver and NY... Like EVER. Series? Yes, Wcf's? YES, finals? Yea but Wins?
Thats grasping for straws
I like how you tried to spin it. The argument wasnt "theyre as good as they were when melo was there", it was they're better without melo, and that's false.
Thats grasping for strawsI like how you tried to spin it. The argument wasnt "theyre as good as they were when melo was there", it was they're better without melo, and that's false.
I've never in my life heard playoff wins be used in argument until the last 2 years comparing Denver and NY... Like EVER. Series? Yes, Wcf's? YES, finals? Yea but Wins?
I like how you tried to spin it. The argument wasnt "theyre as good as they were when melo was there", it was they're better without melo, and that's false.
When did I say that though?
How can I spin something I never said? 
My only point has been that by any fair measure the Nuggets have gotten the better of the trade so far. nikkas talking bout the trade is even when one team has a better record AND was in position to be fukked over royally. Somehow that is even with a team that had all the leverage and could have signed the guy as a FA 4 months later gutting a squad that was 5th in it's conference, ending up 6th in the conference and having an inferior overall record ever since. at you focusing on the playoff wins piece as if the Nuggets don't have a better overall record. Talk about grasping for straws. Grasping for straws is acting as if a couple first round sweeps and a nice first half to this season is what the Knicks were aiming for when they got Melo. Or as if anybody expected the Nuggets to do what they have done.By what fair measure can they possibly be even?
So in your estimation relevance is comparable to being a better team?
Yeah they are relevant because before Melo they weren't a playoff team and though they aren't a true contender they are at least talked about as a semi threat to the Heat. And they weren't talked about like that for years before they got Melo. Its not like the Knicks were gonna win a title with the players they had so why not get a superstar in his prime. Now if Melo was smart he would have just signed that offseason so they could have kept Danilio but we knew he wasn't gonna leave that money on the table.
They were on course to make the playoffs when the trade was made.
You didn't even mention the Nuggets in your post. Their success factors in here too. The fact that they were able to maintain the status quo after Melo left can't be overstated. The Knicks didn't gut their playoff bound roster to get talked about. There was as already buzz due to Amare. Melo was brought in to make them a consistent contender and so far they arent that.
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why were you using the finals or a championship as criteria for the trade being a success, when denver has already proven to be a much more successful team since the trade
they're a better team than the knicks
have won more playoff games
have gone farther in the playoffs
i mentioned 2nd round because you're acting like melo came to NY and did anything except get swept out the 1st round 1 year and get borderline swept the next
no one honestly looks at the knicks as a better team than the nuggets, besides homer knicks fans
and the success they've had since the trade speaks for itself
LoL@ the Denver Nuggets. They haven't been out of the second round since 09. So, what's your point of your argument? You can't undermine a star player who has been stuck an unfortunate situation in New York for three seasons. Injuries is what keeping the Knicks from competing at a high level.
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LoL@ the Denver Nuggets. They haven't been out of the second round since 09. So, what's your point of your argument? You can't undermine a star player who has been stuck an unfortunate situation in New York for three seasons. Injuries is what keeping the Knicks from competing at a high level.
that team will never be a high level squad
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