Did Haitians Really Help Free Black Americans?
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Haitian Soldiers at the Battle of Savannah (1779)
Toussaint Louverture and the American Civil War | Matthew J. Clavin
Yes, we did and that's Haitians have statues in Savannah, GA now.
I read both of them and only one discusses Black Americans. The first article was talking about how biracials fought in Savannah, Breh.
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The answer is yes.
When they were recruiting for the United States Colored Troops, they got enlistees from several islands and from Cape Verde in Africa.
Haitians from the island, and Haitians who had migrated to America fought in the American Civil War.
Will post the full articles later.
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They honored the 26th Regiment of the USCT a while back out here. I'm familiar with the Caribbean soldiers who served out of the NY and CT regiments, but surely they enlisted in other places.
Entry about USCT that were organized in NY
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Founder of USCTI
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They honored the 26th Regiment of the USCT a while back out here. I'm familiar with the Caribbean soldiers who served out of the NY and CT regiments, but surely they enlisted in other places.
Entry about USCT that were organized in NY
Just 1 page, included the cover so you know the source
HENRY BRADSHAW MATTHEWS
Founder of USCTI
4 page speech/pamphlet. Can't embed. On the second page he mentions the countries of origin for foreign born members of the USCT
The Gravesite Salute to the United States ... - Hartwick College
The Gravesite Salute to the United States ... - Hartwick College
U.S. govt. searchable website about Black sailors in the Civil War
The 3rd row has info by country of origin
Search For Sailors - The Civil War (U.S. National Park Service)
The 3rd row has info by country of origin
Search For Sailors - The Civil War (U.S. National Park Service)
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The 13th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution freed Black Americans.
Thirteenth Amendment
Section 1
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2
Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
Research Guides: 13th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution: Primary Documents in American History: Introduction
The 13th Amendment to the United States Constitution
Thirteenth Amendment
Section 1
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2
Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
Research Guides: 13th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution: Primary Documents in American History: Introduction
The 13th Amendment to the United States Constitution
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They honored the 26th Regiment of the USCT a while back out here. I'm familiar with the Caribbean soldiers who served out of the NY and CT regiments, but surely they enlisted in other places.
Entry about USCT that were organized in NY
Just 1 page, included the cover so you know the source
HENRY BRADSHAW MATTHEWS
Founder of USCTI
4 page speech/pamphlet. Can't embed. On the second page he mentions the countries of origin for foreign born members of the USCT
The Gravesite Salute to the United States ... - Hartwick College
U.S. govt. searchable website about Black sailors in the Civil War
The 3rd row has info by country of origin
Search For Sailors - The Civil War (U.S. National Park Service)
Were they drafted? Do you have the numbers?
Will do some research on this.
Also, birth place doesn't mean they weren't enslaved in the U.S. Just like you see "Africa" -- they were still enslaved in the U.S. They were just born there and then sold and enslaved in the U.S.
I have ancestors who were born in "Africa" but fought in the USCT.
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. OP asked a question, and assuming he asked it in good faith, I answered his question.
Whether or not he responds will determine what the intent of the question was.
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For the free men who enlisted who were not born in the United States, the biggest numbers were from Canada and Cape Verde. The men from Canada West were either directly or descended from AAs who had migrated or escaped North. The ones from Canada East tended to be descended from that territory or other British colonies. The Cape Verdean sailors and soldiers had numbers and won commendations in the US Navy. Those two groups of volunteers stand out among the non American born Black soldiers.
Haitians who enlisted didn't seem to make up a sizable number, even among the free foreign born troops.
United States Colored Troops,soldiers, and sailors were ,in fact, almost exclusively African American men. They turned the tide of the Civil War and won the war. That's not being disputed or undermined.
The early Black regiments were made up of enlistees. I believe the 20th, 26th, and 31st out of NY were among the early regiments. The coercion of immigrant Blacks occurred later perhaps and in different cities.
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That Sailor link is interesting as all get out. Looking up their records on Family Search.
So far, the non-AA are FPOC who immigrated over YEARS before ADOS ancestors were emancipated. Basically, after the Revolutionary War. AAME :
I am thinking many were drafted and had to enlist. Like other immigrants. They weren't listed as USCT -- they were just enlisted as apart of the Union it appears. They are mostly listed as support - like Cooks and Servants. Like how the Confederates did enslaved men in the South.
Also, many are listed as "Yellow" for race. I wonder what that means.
And what's crazy I am seeing that many were from families who supported the American Colonization Society and went to Liberia. Like: John Brown Russwurm - Wikipedia
I didn't know so many Black people were immigrating over during enslavement. I wonder how they felt after our ancestors emancipation.
Do you have any resources on the relations between the Native Blacks and Black Immigrants after emancipation?
Thanks for a new research project!
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Podcast interview with author
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Podcast interview with author
Wow. Listening now. It has been anti-ADOS/native Blacks since day one - when compared to other Black people.
Sad.
Thanks for posting - listening now.
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I read both of them and only one discusses Black Americans. The first article was talking about how biracials fought in Savannah, Breh.
They were involved in the American Revolution more so. And that war did not free our ancestors.
Haitian Soldiers at the Battle of Savannah (1779)
D’Estaing’s troops were mainly composed of colonial regiments coming from various locations such as Guadeloupe, Martinique, or Saint-Domingue. The 800 men from the French Caribbean colonies were organized into a regiment called Chasseurs-Volontaires de Saint-Domingue. These soldiers were des gens de couleurs libres (free men of color) who voluntarily joined the French colonial forces. The gens de couleur were mixed-race men of African and European origin from Saint-Domingue. They were born free and thus were distinct from free slaves or affranchis, who were born enslaved or became enslaved during their lives and then freed themselves or were freed. This distinction allowed the gens de couleur a higher social and political in the French colonial West Indies. According to the 1685 French Black Code, they had the same rights and privileges as the white colonial population. In practice, however, strong discrimination by white French colonial residents impeded the gens de couleurs from fully exercising them.
Also, sadly many went on to become enslavers.
Free People of Color in Louisiana
But, many also fought in the Civil War -- both sides. Some for our freedom, sadly most for our enslavement.
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At the outbreak of the Civil War, most free persons of color in Louisiana supported the Confederacy. In 1861, they organized two splendidly equipped battalions, modeled after the French Chasseurs d'Afrique, to fight for the South. In all, more than three thousand Louisiana free Negroes-three out of four adult free men of color in the state-joined colored military or militia units. Some of them, one observer recalled, were as strongly in favor of the rebellion "as the veriest fire-eater [from] South Carolina." As slave owners and property owners, they looked with "sorrow and sadness" at the intrusion of Union gunboats and the occupation of New Orleans early in the war, and even as some of them were adjusting to the presence of Northern soldiers, a few others, including St. Landry Parish's Charles Lutz, Jean-Baptiste Pierre-Auguste, and Leufroy Pierre-Auguste, were fighting as regulars in the Confederate army, seeing action at Shiloh, Fredericksburg, and Vicksburg.
Still others supported the Southern cause by donating slave laborers to work on fortifications, purchasing Confederate bonds, or providing food and supplies for the army. When it became clear that a Union victory was imminent, however, they quickly changed their stance. Those who had served in the home guard or professed loyalty to Jefferson Davis now asserted that they had acted out of fear of retaliation. How could any black, one of them queried, support a government set up for the distinctly avowed purpose of keeping his brethren and kindred in eternal slavery. Louis Roudanez, owner of the first black daily newspaper in America, the New Orleans Tribune, urged freemen and freedmen to work together for "the common cause of black equality."
Still others supported the Southern cause by donating slave laborers to work on fortifications, purchasing Confederate bonds, or providing food and supplies for the army. When it became clear that a Union victory was imminent, however, they quickly changed their stance. Those who had served in the home guard or professed loyalty to Jefferson Davis now asserted that they had acted out of fear of retaliation. How could any black, one of them queried, support a government set up for the distinctly avowed purpose of keeping his brethren and kindred in eternal slavery. Louis Roudanez, owner of the first black daily newspaper in America, the New Orleans Tribune, urged freemen and freedmen to work together for "the common cause of black equality."
A branch of my maternal ancestors were enslaved by gens de couleur - (Antoine) Decuirs', Poche, De Croux, Dupre, Dubuclet, Roberts, Mestayer... - I also have some of their DNA. They were large slaveowners in Lousiana - a major slave port/trading.
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https://scholarworks.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6491&context=etd
Free People Of Color New Orleans
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At 14 minute mark the author talks about regionalism and the perception/prejudice by the white officers that Black AA free men from Mass. were better soldiers than the Black AA men who until recently had been enslaved in North Carolina. Quotes and documents from the White officers support that view. The Canadian Black soldiers who were also free were looked as being similar to the free Black AA northerners.
The Andre Braugher character from Glory comes to mind as a free Black northerner, having had the advantages and opportunities not available to enslaved Africans in the South.
Not sure that this could be classified as anti AA sentiment or favoritism to foreigners.
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At 14 minute mark the author talks about regionalism and the perception/prejudice by the white officers that Black AA free men from Mass. were better soldiers than the Black AA men who until recently had been enslaved in North Carolina. Quotes and documents from the White officers support that view. The Canadian Black soldiers who were also free were looked as being similar to the free Black AA northerners.
The Andre Braugher character from Glory comes to mind as a free Black northerner, having had the advantages and opportunities not available to enslaved Africans in the South.
Not sure that this could be classified as anti AA sentiment or favoritism to foreigners.
Around 14:00 to 15:00 -- the author does speak about regionalism -- but from his description that would def be classified as favoritism -- and in my opinion anti-AA.
As the author stated they looked at non-AA as closer to them (whites) - because they didn't have the "scar of slavery" and have better relations to sergeants due to lack of emotional connection to the war and enslavement.
So, I'm not saying the non-AA soliders were anti-AA -- but Whites have a long-history of pitting non-AA against/comparing AA's to each other. His explanation is the same many Whites use today as the reason they faux favor non-AA's.
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