DEONTAY WILDER fired Lou Dibella because he got him an offer to fight Joshua

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In y’all heart of hearts answer me this, do y’all really think Wilder is scared to fight Joshua?

He’s fighting a guy that y’all same dudes think he lost to, why y’all think he didn’t just take the money and fight Joshua instead of running it back with Fury and Ortiz. Y’all thought Fury won the fight, why risk a big payday to fight a guy you thought beat you?

Why fight the only guy at high level to truly hurt you instead of risk a big fight?

When they are both free the fight is going to happen, he just wasn’t about to keep waiting around to get the right deal. He also isn’t about to take some flat fees because look at the difference in pay Pacquaio would have gotten had he just took the 40m flat fee.
I don't think he's scared but I think the fight will never happen cause Haymon will never let Wilder fight on DAZN and as things stand DAZN is throwing around more money than FOX, I mean according to the original broadcast deals and what happened since. If they could have countered that AJ vs Wilder offer with something higher they would have but it hasn't happened, all that happened is Wilder turning it down for no logical reason whatsoever.

Only way Joshua vs Wilder happens if any of them loses relevance. Joshua could have if he lost to Ruiz in the rematch or if he'd go on to lose to Pulev next. Wilder would have if Fury would beat him decisively in February. Only then one side would have to concede that they will have to play on the other's terms and they can't have it their way.
I think currently both TR/ESPN and PBC/FOX rather make Wilder vs Fury 2 than any of them VS Joshua cause
1: FOX can work on a shared avenue with ESPN (co-PPV) but not with DAZN
2: The fighters have unfinished business
3: Both networkd/promoters/fighters try to jockey themselves in a more advantageous position for a future AJ fight on the back of a possible win because as it stands now Joshua is still the very clear A side to anyone at HW, it's really a no competition, he's the biggest earner in the sport not named Canelo whether he is relevant on the US market or not.
 

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I think it's amazing how Dazn and Hearn are given the benefit of the doubt here when it's been clear that they absolutely hold a part in the fight failing to materialize. From the awful deal; to Hearn constantly slandering Wilder; to Skipper himself admitting that his inexperience hurt negotiations.

Why is Hearn given a pass like he has an impeccable track record:

He's failed to get Andrade fights -- not only failing to procure a deal with PBC for Charlo, but being unable to make a deal even with Dazn fighters like Golovkin, Canelo or even Derevychenko!

Can't secure any notable fight for Tevin Farmer. Not Tank, Gary Russell or Santa Cruz.

fukked up the Joshua Wilder fight completely. Failed to make the Fury fight. Not to mention Joshua getting knocked out by Ruiz has completely halted Joshua's and Matchroom's goal of entering the American market.

Now imagine if fukkin Canelo fights Murata in Japan on Cinco de Mayo? Saunders and Smith, both well known champions under Matchroom, once again being passed up in a major fight.

How many times can a promoter fail to deliver big fights? If this was anyone else, they'd be fukkin ridiculed, yet Hearn gets coddled by mfers like @The Ruler 09 on a daily basis.:mjlol:

Also, the absolute worst part about @The Ruler 09 's posts (aside for his aversion for paragraphs) is that he constantly touts how neutral he is, despite never passing up the chance to hate on Wilder. Calling him obsessed would actually trivialize his dedication towards making negative comments on everything Wilder does. :hhh:


Dazn and Matchroom didn't just want to make the Joshua Wilder fight, they wanted Wilder to sign a multifight contract, essentially making Wilder one of the main drivers for subscriptions for Dazn. He was to be as important to the streaming service as Canelo and Joshua, yet they constantly sought to undercut and undermine him in negotiations. Anyone who truly cares about fairness for these boxers understands why Wilder turned down the deal, especially now that it's been reported that he's been compensated extremely well for his fight with Breazeale and Ortiz.
 
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I think it's amazing how Dazn and Hearn are given the benefit of the doubt here when it's been clear that they absolutely hold a part in the fight failing to materialize. From the awful deal; to Hearn constantly slandering Wilder; to Skipper himself admitting that his inexperience hurt negotiations.

Why is Hearn given a pass like he has an impeccable track record:

He's failed to get Andrade fights -- not only failing to procure a deal with PBC for Charlo, but being unable to make a deal even with Dazn fighters like Golovkin, Canelo or even Derevychenko!

Can't secure any notable fight for Tevin Farmer. Not Tank, Gary Russell or Santa Cruz.

fukked up the Joshua Wilder fight completely. Failed to make the Fury fight. Not to mention Joshua getting knocked out by Ruiz has completely halted Joshua's and Matchroom's goal of entering the American market.

Now imagine if fukkin Canelo fights Murata in Japan on Cinco de Mayo? Saunders and Smith, both well known champions under Matchroom, once again being passed up in a major fight.

How many times can a promoter fail to deliver big fights? If this was anyone else, they'd be fukkin ridiculed, yet Hearn gets coddled by mfers like @The Ruler 09 on a daily basis.:mjlol:

Also, the absolute worst part about @The Ruler 09 's posts (aside for his aversion for paragraphs) is that he constantly touts how neutral he is, despite never passing up the chance to hate on Wilder. Calling him obsessed would actually trivialize his dedication towards making negative comments on everything Wilder does. :hhh:


Dazn and Matchroom didn't just want to make the Joshua Wilder fight, they wanted Wilder to sign a multifight contract, essentially making Wilder one of the main drivers for subscriptions for Dazn. He was to be as important to the streaming service as Canelo and Joshua, yet they constantly sought to undercut and undermine him in negotiations. Anyone who truly cares about fairness for these boxers understands why Wilder turned down the deal, especially now that it's been reported that he's been compensated extremely well for his fight with Breazeale and Ortiz.

Everything you said is reaching gibberish excuses. Lol at "the awful deal" yeah that awful 120 million deal which is 1 of the biggest deals in boxing history. That alone shows how bias you are.

1 side has done all they can to make the fight, the other has done everything possible to avoid it. It's no coincidence the multiple legit offers have come from 1 side only.

It's easy to make excuses if you don't want the fight, lol at "slandering Wilder", they are rivals on different sides, if Shelly badmouths AJ (which he has) is that a reason not to make the right? No not at all, but it's an excuse if you don't actually want to make it though.

I notice a lot of people getting emotional about this and become more desperate in their comments as more facts come out and more people see the truth and talking about completely irrelevant ish.

Andrade had a fight with BJS twice which BJS pulled out of before he was with Matchroom, 1 cause of a test. You can't make people fight people, all this has nothing at all to do with the topic at hand. Just lots of rambling nonsense. It's so ridiculous it's hard to believe you're serious but I think you are lol. I think you've just got so emotional you've just lost it lol...

Saying Eddie Hearn hasn't made big fights is quite ludicrous. He can't make every single fight if others refuse to fight. He's recently made record breaking fights in terms of PPV records and mega money fights too. In boxing lots of fights don't get made, you could say the same about Arum or Haymon for Spence vs Crawford having not being made but they're making Fury Vs Wilder so.... some fights get made, some don't. It's very simple.

I am neutral in the sense I am objective and give credit where it's due to everyone and criticism when it's due too. It seems some on here get emotional and hate if you're not part of some extremely delusional dikkrider cult though. I'm not part of that, I've given praise to Wilder, Fury and AJ and I've also criticised all of them at times, these are facts and examples can easily be given. But people see what they wanna see and ignore reality because they are so emotionally distraught by facts there's a group that follow me around here butthutt and tag me because I don't suck 1 particular fighter off. They seem to get mad at the truth, I didn't make Lou tell people he got fired for getting them that huge deal. The emotional response to the trauma should be directed elsewhere.

As always I speak about various topics and fighters in boxing. Of course the heavyweight division and Wilder as a big player will be part of that, didn't even make this thread, just replied to it and people got upset lol.

The last part of what you said also isn't true, think about what you are saying before you say it, would save time. You said DAZN didn't want to make the AJ vs Wilder fight when they offered 100 million for the fights? This is nonsensical, the overall deal was 120 million including the Breazeale fight, that is 3 fights. Also the Breazeale fight was optional, they could have done solely the 2 AJ fights.

What you're saying makes no sense, 2 fights at 50 mill is more money than Canelo makes per fight in his deal. Not to mention when Wilder actually fought Breazeale he made less than he was offered by DAZN. He could have made more for that fight AND had the AJ fights he claimed he wanted.

You can't keep screaming how much you want a fight and how the other person is scared and then keep turning down all career high offers for it. That is disingenuous, all it shows is that they didn't want the fight. Anybody with even functioning I.Q level can see this, however now with the emergence of Saudi if Wilder beats Fury they've made an offer that maybe they can't even refuse so hopefully they finally accept.
 
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I think it's amazing how Dazn and Hearn are given the benefit of the doubt here when it's been clear that they absolutely hold a part in the fight failing to materialize. From the awful deal; to Hearn constantly slandering Wilder; to Skipper himself admitting that his inexperience hurt negotiations.

Why is Hearn given a pass like he has an impeccable track record:

He's failed to get Andrade fights -- not only failing to procure a deal with PBC for Charlo, but being unable to make a deal even with Dazn fighters like Golovkin, Canelo or even Derevychenko!

Can't secure any notable fight for Tevin Farmer. Not Tank, Gary Russell or Santa Cruz.

fukked up the Joshua Wilder fight completely. Failed to make the Fury fight. Not to mention Joshua getting knocked out by Ruiz has completely halted Joshua's and Matchroom's goal of entering the American market.

Now imagine if fukkin Canelo fights Murata in Japan on Cinco de Mayo? Saunders and Smith, both well known champions under Matchroom, once again being passed up in a major fight.

How many times can a promoter fail to deliver big fights? If this was anyone else, they'd be fukkin ridiculed, yet Hearn gets coddled by mfers like @The Ruler 09 on a daily basis.:mjlol:

Also, the absolute worst part about @The Ruler 09 's posts (aside for his aversion for paragraphs) is that he constantly touts how neutral he is, despite never passing up the chance to hate on Wilder. Calling him obsessed would actually trivialize his dedication towards making negative comments on everything Wilder does. :hhh:


Dazn and Matchroom didn't just want to make the Joshua Wilder fight, they wanted Wilder to sign a multifight contract, essentially making Wilder one of the main drivers for subscriptions for Dazn. He was to be as important to the streaming service as Canelo and Joshua, yet they constantly sought to undercut and undermine him in negotiations. Anyone who truly cares about fairness for these boxers understands why Wilder turned down the deal, especially now that it's been reported that he's been compensated extremely well for his fight with Breazeale and Ortiz.
I’m done giving dude these long responses but I literally had one of these drafted and said nah I’m good. Thing is they don’t have the Ali Act in Europe so promoters do whatever the fukk they want.
 

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Everything you said is reaching gibberish excuses. Lol at "the awful deal" yeah that awful 120 million deal which is 1 of the biggest deals in boxing history. That alone shows how bias you are.

1 side has done all they can to make the fight, the other has done everything possible to avoid it. It's no coincidence the multiple legit offers have come from 1 side only.

It's easy to make excuses if you don't want the fight, lol at "slandering Wilder", they are rivals on different sides, if Shelly badmouths AJ (which he has) is that a reason not to make the right? No not at all, but it's an excuse if you don't actually want to make it though.

I notice a lot of people getting emotional about this and become more desperate in their comments as more facts come out and more people see the truth and talking about completely irrelevant ish.

Andrade had a fight with BJS twice which BJS pulled out of before he was with Matchroom, 1 cause of a test. You can't make people fight people, all this has nothing at all to do with the topic at hand. Just lots of rambling nonsense. It's so ridiculous it's hard to believe you're serious but I think you are lol. I think you've just got so emotional you've just lost it lol...

Saying Eddie Hearn hasn't made big fights is quite ludicrous. He can't make every single fight if others refuse to fight. He's recently made record breaking fights in terms of PPV records and mega money fights too. In boxing lots of fights don't get made, you could say the same about Arum or Haymon for Spence vs Crawford having not being made but they're making Fury Vs Wilder so.... some fights get made, some don't. It's very simple.

I am neural in the sense I am objective and give credit where it's due to everyone and criticism when it's due too. It seems some on here get emotional and hate if you're not part of some extremely delusional dikkrider cult though. I'm not part of that, I've given praise to Wilder, Fury and AJ and I've also criticised all of them at times, these are facts and examples can easily be given. But people see what they wanna see and ignore reality because they are so emotionally distraught by facts there's a group that follow me around here butthutt and tag me because I don't suck 1 particular fighter off. They seem to get mad at the truth, I didn't make Lou tell people he got fired for getting them that huge deal. The emotional response to the trauma should be directed elsewhere.

As always I speak about various topics and fighter in boxing. Of course the heavyweight division and Wilder as a big player will be part of that, didn't even make this thread, just replied to it and people got upset lol.

The last part of what you said also isn't true, think about what you are saying before you say it, would save time. You said DAZN didn't want to make the AJ vs Wilder fight when they offered 100 million for the fights? This is nonsensical, the overall deal was 120 million including the Breazeale fight, that is 3 fights. Also the Breazeale fight was optional, they could have done solely the 2 AJ fights.

What you're saying makes no sense, 2 fights at 50 mill is more money than Canelo makes per fight in his deal. Not to mention when Wilder actually fought Breazeale he made less than he was offered by DAZN. He could have made more for that fight AND had the AJ fights he claimed he wanted.

You can't keep screaming how much you want a fight and how the other person is scared and then keep turning down all career high offers for it. That is disingenuous, all it shows is that they didn't want the fight. Anybody with even functioning I.Q level can see this, however now with the emergence of Saudi if Wilder beats Fury they've made an offer that maybe they can't even refuse so hopefully they finally accept.

Doing all you can do is offering Wilder a 1 fight deal with a 50/50 split. If and when they do that and Wilder turns it down I will violently shyt on Wilder and Haymon.

Hell if they offer him 55-45 and a rematch and which the winner controls the rematch and they turn it down I will openly call Wilder a duck.

AJ is also a free agent network wise, why is this never brought up, same reason why Wilder hasn’t stopped worked with PBC networks.
 

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Doing all you can do is offering Wilder a 1 fight deal with a 50/50 split. If and when they do that and Wilder turns it down I will violently shyt on Wilder and Haymon.

Hell if they offer him 55-45 and a rematch and which the winner controls the rematch and they turn it down I will openly call Wilder a duck.

AJ is also a free agent network wise, why is this never brought up, same reason why Wilder hasn’t stopped worked with PBC networks.

Not really, at the time Wilder didn't deserve anywhere near 50 percent, the numbers show that, also that was before AJ's loss, he still doesn't deserve 50. At the time he probably deserved 30 percent, at the very best 40, which was offered. He may get 50 now anyway or an even bigger flat fee if he wins. But what I meant initially is 1 side has made a multitude of legit offers which blow out the water any of Wilder's previous earnings. AJ has so far been a completely different level of a commercial entity than Wilder. He's not been on his level as a draw. If he wins this Fury fight he will get bigger though so maybe he will get it, I wouldn't be surprised now cause AJ lost once and so if Wilder wins in good fashion the gap will close further. 1 fight deal is unrealistic, there has to be a rematch, previously Wilder's team said they would have taken a 1 way rematch clause on AJ's behalf, but they even got given a 2 way rematch.

This whole saga may be coming to an end soon anyway, the Saudi money could be a game changer, it's huge, I don't see how it's possible for them to turn it down should they win. It's gone to astronomical figures now because of their emergence. The new offer is huge for the winner of Wilder vs Fury to fight AJ, it's going to different levels.

DAZN have first refusal on AJ I believe, and that can be brought up should they have been a bigger offer from the other side but there was no counter offers or offers after the DAZN offer.
 

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Not really, at the time Wilder didn't deserve anywhere near 50 percent, the numbers show that, also that was before AJ's loss, he still doesn't deserve 50. At the time he probably deserved 30 percent, at the very best 40, which was offered. He may get 50 now anyway or an even bigger flat fee if he wins. But what I meant initially is 1 side has made a multitude of legit offers which blow out the water any of Wilder's previous earnings. AJ has so far been a completely different level of a commercial entity than Wilder. He's not been on his level as a draw. If he wins this Fury fight he will get bigger though so maybe he will get it, I wouldn't be surprised now cause AJ lost once and so if Wilder wins in good fashion the gap will close further. 1 fight deal is unrealistic, there has to be a rematch, previously Wilder's team said they would have taken a 1 way rematch clause on AJ's behalf, but they even got given a 2 way rematch.

This whole saga may be coming to an end soon anyway, the Saudi money could be a game changer, it's huge, I don't see how it's possible for them to turn it down should they win. It's gone to astronomical figures now because of their emergence. The new offer is huge for the winner of Wilder vs Fury to fight AJ, it's going to different levels.

DAZN have first refusal on AJ I believe, and that can be brought up should they have been a bigger offer from the other side but there was no counter offers or offers after the DAZN offer.

Parker got 37 percent true again. Wilder brings the US market.

If there’s any proof that Wilder turned down a 1 fight deal for 60-40 he ducked. We know that wasn’t a 1 fight deal.

50 million would have been much more than AJs biggest purse at the time but we understood he couldn’t accept that. Fair is fair and with Wilder y’all dudes aren’t fair.

Again Wilder gets penalized for so called being a free agent but AJ gets all the leeway for being able to not being able to sign a deal.
 

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Everything you said is reaching gibberish excuses. Lol at "the awful deal" yeah that awful 120 million deal which is 1 of the biggest deals in boxing history. That alone shows how bias you are.

1 side has done all they can to make the fight, the other has done everything possible to avoid it. It's no coincidence the multiple legit offers have come from 1 side only.

It's easy to make excuses if you don't want the fight, lol at "slandering Wilder", they are rivals on different sides, if Shelly badmouths AJ (which he has) is that a reason not to make the right? No not at all, but it's an excuse if you don't actually want to make it though.

I notice a lot of people getting emotional about this and become more desperate in their comments as more facts come out and more people see the truth and talking about completely irrelevant ish.

Andrade had a fight with BJS twice which BJS pulled out of before he was with Matchroom, 1 cause of a test. You can't make people fight people, all this has nothing at all to do with the topic at hand. Just lots of rambling nonsense. It's so ridiculous it's hard to believe you're serious but I think you are lol. I think you've just got so emotional you've just lost it lol...

Saying Eddie Hearn hasn't made big fights is quite ludicrous. He can't make every single fight if others refuse to fight. He's recently made record breaking fights in terms of PPV records and mega money fights too. In boxing lots of fights don't get made, you could say the same about Arum or Haymon for Spence vs Crawford having not being made but they're making Fury Vs Wilder so.... some fights get made, some don't. It's very simple.

I am neural in the sense I am objective and give credit where it's due to everyone and criticism when it's due too. It seems some on here get emotional and hate if you're not part of some extremely delusional dikkrider cult though. I'm not part of that, I've given praise to Wilder, Fury and AJ and I've also criticised all of them at times, these are facts and examples can easily be given. But people see what they wanna see and ignore reality because they are so emotionally distraught by facts there's a group that follow me around here butthutt and tag me because I don't suck 1 particular fighter off. They seem to get mad at the truth, I didn't make Lou tell people he got fired for getting them that huge deal. The emotional response to the trauma should be directed elsewhere.

As always I speak about various topics and fighter in boxing. Of course the heavyweight division and Wilder as a big player will be part of that, didn't even make this thread, just replied to it and people got upset lol.

The last part of what you said also isn't true, think about what you are saying before you say it, would save time. You said DAZN didn't want to make the AJ vs Wilder fight when they offered 100 million for the fights? This is nonsensical, the overall deal was 120 million including the Breazeale fight, that is 3 fights. Also the Breazeale fight was optional, they could have done solely the 2 AJ fights.

What you're saying makes no sense, 2 fights at 50 mill is more money than Canelo makes per fight in his deal. Not to mention when Wilder actually fought Breazeale he made less than he was offered by DAZN. He could have made more for that fight AND had the AJ fights he claimed he wanted.

You can't keep screaming how much you want a fight and how the other person is scared and then keep turning down all career high offers for it. That is disingenuous, all it shows is that they didn't want the fight. Anybody with even functioning I.Q level can see this, however now with the emergence of Saudi if Wilder beats Fury they've made an offer that maybe they can't even refuse so hopefully they finally accept.

Please actually refute a point of mine instead of parroting your same tired azz statements. I've stated why the deal is terrible, refute any of my reasoning. Hearn constantly fukks up fights for his fighters, and he continues to berate the fighter he wants to bring to Matchroom's home network, tell me why you won't criticize Dazn, Skipper or Hearn for any fault in the negotiation?

The answer is that you don't like Wilder, and clearly have a dog in this entire ordeal. You're not neutral, and everyone sees it.
 

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Parker got 37 percent true again. Wilder brings the US market.

If there’s any proof that Wilder turned down a 1 fight deal for 60-40 he ducked. We know that wasn’t a 1 fight deal.

50 million would have been much more than AJs biggest purse at the time but we understood he couldn’t accept that. Fair is fair and with Wilder y’all dudes aren’t fair.

Again Wilder gets penalized for so called being a free agent but AJ gets all the leeway for being able to not being able to sign a deal.

Widler hadn’t even being doing that well in the U.S market in terms of ticket sales and PPV’s (wasn’t his first PPV actually with Fury) . He wasn’t the star he should have been considering he was 1 of the world champions and also his KO power which should be a draw and also he can sell a fight well too.

Its not about a 1 fight deal, there are no 1 fight deals because no sensible promoters are going to put their fighter into a world title fight with no rematch if it’s a voluntary. There’s nothing wrong with it being 2 fights including the rematch, that’s the standard. Same as Fury and Wilder have for the next fight, they wouldn’t let him go into that fight with no rematch clause.

Wilder says he’s a free agent and he doesn’t have the same type of deal AJ has. AJ has an exclusive deal with Sky Sports in U.K, his U.S fights can be shown elsewhere should DAZN not match a deal. But no bigger deal was offered so that’s why no-one talks about it, Wilder is a free agent he says so he doesn’t have those obligations and was free to accept the fight if he wanted to.
 

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I think it's amazing how Dazn and Hearn are given the benefit of the doubt here when it's been clear that they absolutely hold a part in the fight failing to materialize. From the awful deal; to Hearn constantly slandering Wilder; to Skipper himself admitting that his inexperience hurt negotiations.

Why is Hearn given a pass like he has an impeccable track record:

He's failed to get Andrade fights -- not only failing to procure a deal with PBC for Charlo, but being unable to make a deal even with Dazn fighters like Golovkin, Canelo or even Derevychenko!

Can't secure any notable fight for Tevin Farmer. Not Tank, Gary Russell or Santa Cruz.

fukked up the Joshua Wilder fight completely. Failed to make the Fury fight. Not to mention Joshua getting knocked out by Ruiz has completely halted Joshua's and Matchroom's goal of entering the American market.

Now imagine if fukkin Canelo fights Murata in Japan on Cinco de Mayo? Saunders and Smith, both well known champions under Matchroom, once again being passed up in a major fight.

How many times can a promoter fail to deliver big fights? If this was anyone else, they'd be fukkin ridiculed, yet Hearn gets coddled by mfers like @The Ruler 09 on a daily basis.:mjlol:

Also, the absolute worst part about @The Ruler 09 's posts (aside for his aversion for paragraphs) is that he constantly touts how neutral he is, despite never passing up the chance to hate on Wilder. Calling him obsessed would actually trivialize his dedication towards making negative comments on everything Wilder does. :hhh:


Dazn and Matchroom didn't just want to make the Joshua Wilder fight, they wanted Wilder to sign a multifight contract, essentially making Wilder one of the main drivers for subscriptions for Dazn. He was to be as important to the streaming service as Canelo and Joshua, yet they constantly sought to undercut and undermine him in negotiations. Anyone who truly cares about fairness for these boxers understands why Wilder turned down the deal, especially now that it's been reported that he's been compensated extremely well for his fight with Breazeale and Ortiz.
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He didn’t interfere, he set up the meetings which was attended by Wilder and Shelly, if he wasn’t allowed to do that why would they attend the meeting? They would have just not attended. Wilder said he was a free agent and can talk to anybody.
:snoop: you truly are stupid..

He tried to setup a meating with just him, Wilder, and DAZN without informing Haymon or Finkel about what was going on.. Wilder talked to Haymon and Finkel THEN they all showed up to the meeting
 

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I don't think he's scared but I think the fight will never happen cause Haymon will never let Wilder fight on DAZN and as things stand DAZN is throwing around more money than FOX, .

This.

Just too many examples of Haymon blocking good fights involving his most valuable pieces because they'd have to "cross the street". How many have refused record pay days for seemingly no good reason? If the network(s) he's beholden to isn't getting at least 50% cut it ain't happening, doesn't matter if his client stands to lose money or not.
 
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