"Democrats have made blacks dependent on government" - Joe Walsh (Ill. Rep)

[Fillerguy]

This. People's knee-jerk reaction is to cry RACISM but in reality Rep Walsh's statements have alot of truth to them. If you compare the black pyche in the early 1900's to where we are now, i would say we have regressed substantially. We essentially went from a mindset of "we shall overcome" to a subservient, government dependent one. I mean, can you imagine we used to have numerous black senators, a black wall street, as well as numerous black run institutions of higher learning. [sarcasm] But thank God for integration, because now we no longer need to support our black institutions. [/sarcasm]

Hell, there was a time when black college and professional athletics were considered the premier sporting events in the US among many sports fans. Now its basically a running joke in the athletic world. Its truly demonic friends.

Care to explain how Blacks are dependent on government without repeating white racist demagoguery. When was this Golden Age of Negro where Blacks flourished without government intervention?

 

[Serious]

This. People's knee-jerk reaction is to cry RACISM but in reality Rep Walsh's statements have alot of truth to them. If you compare the black pyche in the early 1900's to where we are now, i would say we have regressed substantially. We essentially went from a mindset of "we shall overcome" to a subservient, government dependent one. I mean, can you imagine we used to have numerous black senators, a black wall street, as well as numerous black run institutions of higher learning. [sarcasm] But thank God for integration, because now we no longer need to support our black institutions. [/sarcasm]

I always knew you were a Booker T. Washington Stan.

Breh for obvious reason this movement failed. For what ever reason, Anglo-Saxons have always had this need for acting superior over others. Hence, why many of them are worried about becoming a "minority" in this country.

The main reason, why reconstruction failed was because of the rise of the

KKK. The thought of blacks educating and empowering themselves was

inconceivable to "many" whites in the south. We needed government

intervention to protect us, because significant black leaders were being

leeched at alarming rates. Sohh this concept of living in this "separate but equal"

homogenous society never worked.

African-American Leaders During Reconstruction — History.com Articles, Video, Pictures and Facts

@ me almost polishing off my old AA studies book for references.

Care to explain how Blacks are dependent on government without repeating white racist demagoguery. When was this Golden of Negro where Blacks flourished without government intervention?

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Blacks are disproportionately receiving government assistance (not counting corporate welfare). I believe blacks gets 33% of federal social funding despite being 12% of the population. But Joe Walsh saying "blacks are dependent on government" is just overgeneralizing nonsense which is not only an insult to the millions of black people who are not on welfare, but more importantly, it fans the flame of the racist narrative that blacks are all on welfare and taking the white mans' tax money and jobs. That's problematic and hurtful to society for obvious reasons. Politicians are elected and prisons are filled and job applicants are rejected because of exaggerated stereotypes about lazy food-stamp collecting black people. Joe Walsh has a history of this type of stuff too...he once said Obama got elected because he's black.

Even if one points out that black are disproportionately on welfare, it's a factual statement, but and incomplete portrait in the context of entire scope of the conditions. Implicit in the statements of people like Joe Walsh is the notion that somehow if black people, those of who are on government assistance just got off, they would all be able to get jobs and be self-supportive and it doesn't take into account the socioeconomic status people were born into or history. We wouldn't have to look far for studies that show that white people with criminal records have better chances of getting job interviews and offers than black people who don't, the gross inequalities in the justice system, the horrible state of education, etc.

So if Joe Walsh or others want to have a conversation about a culture of dependency that has developed among parts of the black community, its causes and potential solutions, the efficacy of various government programs, ways to strengthen education, and gain skills that make job candidates attractive, the need for more black entrepeneurship, and the role of every responsible party in the situation, we can have that. But if he just wants to make silly, exaggerated, demonizing, decontextualized blanket statements about "blacks are on welfare" to try and score political points, he can eat a dikk.

And for the record, Joe Walsh is a hypocritical piece of shyt. He's a deadbeat dad who owes thousands in child support. And he settled a lawsuit of a former campaign manager who said he ripped him off, had back owed federal and state tax liens and a condo foreclosed on. And he let his car insurance lapse and had his license suspended. And he lectures us on fiscal responsibility.

And he's this gung ho tea party guy who does nothing but protect the banks who he accepts tons of cash from. fukk him. It goes to show how full of shyt the tea party is that they gained popularity from opposite to the bailouts (supposedly, I think it more has to do with there being a black President) and now many of their politicians like Joe Walsh are whores for the banks and they say nothing.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

I always knew you were a Booker T. Washington Stan.

Breh for obvious reason this movement failed. For what ever reason, Anglo-Saxons have always had this need for acting superior over others. Hence, why many of them are worried about becoming a "minority" in this country.

The main reason, why reconstruction failed was because of the rise of the

KKK. The thought of blacks educating and empowering themselves was

inconceivable to "many" whites in the south. We needed government

intervention to protect us, because significant black leaders were being

leeched at alarming rates. Sohh this concept of living in this "separate but equal"

homogenous society never worked.

African-American Leaders During Reconstruction — History.com Articles, Video, Pictures and Facts

@ me almost polishing off my old AA studies book for references.

Using government to protect us from violence is entirely different from using government to make us complacement with free handouts. I dont think any is saying we need to be completely without government. Im simply saying our over reliance on government has retarded our growth overall as a people. And you cant deny the lack of progression we have had since the implementation of the welfare state. And again, this issue is not exclusive to blacks, however the effect on black folk is more profound due to the overall paucity of successful black families in America when compared to their white counterparts.

 

[Fillerguy]

Using government to protect us from violence is entirely different from using government to make us complacement with free handouts. I dont think any is saying we need to be completely without government. Im simply saying our over reliance on government has retarded our growth overall as a people. And you cant deny the lack of progression we have had since the implementation of the welfare state. And again, this issue is not exclusive to blacks, however the effect on black folk is more profound due to the overall paucity of successful black families in America when compared to their white counterparts.

You seem to a nostalgic sense of Black History the way Southern Whites have of the pre CRM South. Government is something we should thrive for but if you look at history, the Federal government is one of the few institutions in America that allowed Blacks to progress. New laws were created to protect Black rights, to allow Blacks to work, shop and purchase land. Military escorts to school, Federal investigations to solve local murders, etc.

The government has been simultaneously our biggest friend and foe since we landed. We are no more dependent on government than we were 200 years ago. Historically I'd say we are more independent. These a$$holes have been recycling the same Southern Strategy, Solid South talking points for over a century. Stop listening to them. Calling us welfare queens and walking away helps no one. Walsh doesnt care about Black people

 

[jerniebert]

Some people just don't have filters and say whatever the fukk they want. Some of these guys act like theyre posting in JBO.

 

[ecnirp1]

this is such a played out argument from the right.

Blacks are dependent upon the government in what way?

if he's referring to the "welfare" system, that really doesn't exist anymore. not as a long term method of attaining income anyways. and the percentage of races that are on it is almost even across black, white and hispanic races.

 

[gldnone913]

What did he say that isn't true?

you came over here too?

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

Care to explain how Blacks are dependent on government without repeating white racist demagoguery. When was this Golden Age of Negro where Blacks flourished without government intervention?

When i speak on government intervention, im not speaking in reference to the security apparatus, which of course is essential to the proper functioning of any society. I'm moreso speaking specifically in reference to the welfare state, which IMHO has served more as a crutch to the African American community than as a stepping stone which I honestly believe was its original intention. That being said, please don't misconstrue my comments by inferring that I think all government is bad, because clearly its not. Its just when I see multi-generational dependence upon government handouts being accepted as the norm in the black community, it disturbs me.

For example, do you think that if destitute individuals (be they whatever race) could not rely of government housing and food stamps that they would continue to have multiple kids out of wedlock? I personally feel there would be alot more thought and planning put into these issues if people were forced to deal with the consequences alone, instead of constantly relying on government to bail them out from one bad decision to the next.

Just my 0.02 cents btw....

 

[Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson]

Massa Walch is righ he be good whie folts. Blas are lazy criminals who lack moruh characta and da valyas dat made Murica a great nation. Ninety-sits puhcent of blas are raciss and juss sit aroun blamin whie folts and sellin crack. Dass why dey suppore a marksiss Muzlim produck of mix breedin like Barah Obama. Becuh he gib dem mo food stams.

We need to get bat to da good ol daze when blas knew dey place and wuz happy singin and dancin in da cotton feels. We diddin hab all dis crime bat den. Blas are so ungrateful to da whie man who took dem out uh da jungles uh Africa. It wuh god's will. Blas use to be smilin singin swing lo sweet chariot now dey got dey pans hangin off dey rear en yellin rap lyriss abou rapin whie women and killin. Nowaday whies are scare uh tellin da truf abou blas becuh dey fear bein call raciss. You can thank da cibil righs mobemen fuh dat.

 

[the next guy]

Care to explain how Blacks are dependent on government without repeating white racist demagoguery. When was this Golden Age of Negro where Blacks flourished without government intervention?

Probably he's talking about the Jim Crow era.

 

[Broke Wave]

Hiphop, please shut the fukk up, I don't even want to write a thought out rebuking to your obvious c00ning and uncle toming, so I'm just gonna politely ask you to shut the fukk up and stop posting here forever.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

Hiphop, please shut the fukk up, I don't even want to write a thought out rebuking to your obvious c00ning and uncle toming, so I'm just gonna politely ask you to shut the fukk up and stop posting here forever.

Im glad to see you've brought intelligent debate into HL.

BTW, a simple "I disagree" would suffice. No need for the ad hominem attacks and name calling breh. It makes you look inept and incapable to form a complete thought. Now run along so us grown folk can discuss issues like adults.

 

[the next guy]

HH, I don;'t if I agree breh. Jim Crow was a low point for any single group of people. Blacks did well during 90's actually despite all the crime.

 

[call_me_step_daddy]

seems like we've been down with the government since 60's..here's a video of some 5 percenters givin props to the gov

(1967) 5 Percenters historic interview in Harlem (Mecca) about the Vietnam War. - YouTube