A panel of anti democrats. Really?
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A panel of anti democrats. Really?
DrBanneker
Space is the Place
I am not sure yet what they should do but we need to be careful. I am sure a lot of masses. Behind closed doors are talking about bushing Black folks and our "unpopular demands" to win votes.
Some idiots still probably think they can poach White conservative voters en masse.
Some idiots still probably think they can poach White conservative voters en masse.
voltronblack
Superstar
breh they are doing that out in the open on x/twitter even more so the Bernie Sanders types leftists
they are openly talking about how the dems needed to focus more on the "working class" and Latino votes.I told yall for years they were doing this. And if that’s the case they can toss more shyt than before they get to us.
ORDER_66
Demon Time coming 2024
The democrats too corrupt to be changed throw them all away 
these politicians don't work for you they work for george clooney and the donors... Obviously yall saw this in real time and haven't learned...
these politicians don't work for you they work for george clooney and the donors... Obviously yall saw this in real time and haven't learned...
“The cruel irony is that even as much of the left has sounded the alarm about liberalism’s impending collapse, we will most assuredly be held responsible for it. We know now that we will not spend the years to come struggling over how best to build our ideal society, but rather struggling to protect what we can against the forces of creative destruction that a disenchanted majority of American voters have chosen to unleash. Trump will dismantle Biden’s accomplishments on every front and then some, and even in a post-Trump Democratic era (should we be so fortunate), we will be hard pressed to win them back. With austerity advocates now able to claim decisive victory in the Biden era’s inflation debate—over whether the public can tolerate higher prices if jobs are abundant and wages are rising—even hypothetical future Democratic administrations are unlikely to risk high inflation again, suggesting little hope for bold new investments in healthcare, education, housing, climate justice, transit infrastructure, or any other progressive priorities. The left’s ability to influence policymakers is itself going to be constrained as Democratic politicians draw ugly lessons from the fact that certain constituencies they normally count on voted for Trump. If 2016 produced a wave of progressive activism on all fronts that Democrats were forced to accommodate, 2024 may push them in the opposite direction.”
the next guy
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Musk, Thiel and the shadow of apartheid South Africa
The parallels between South Africa then and the US today are striking
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Musk, Thiel and the shadow of apartheid South Africa
The parallels between South Africa then and the US today are striking
Elon Musk lived in apartheid South Africa until he was 17. David Sacks, the venture capitalist who has become a fundraiser for Donald Trump and a troll of Ukraine, left aged five, and grew up in a South African diaspora family in Tennessee. Peter Thiel spent years of childhood in South Africa and Namibia, where his father was involved in uranium mining as part of the apartheid regime’s clandestine drive to acquire nuclear weapons. And Paul Furber, an obscure South African software developer and tech journalist living near Johannesburg, has been identified by two teams of forensic linguists as the originator of the QAnon conspiracy, which helped shape Trump’s Maga movement. (Furber denies being “Q”.)
In short, four of Maga’s most influential voices are fiftysomething white men with formative experiences in apartheid South Africa. This probably isn’t a coincidence. I say that as a fiftysomething white man whose formative experiences include childhood visits to my extended family in apartheid South Africa. (My parents left Johannesburg before I was born.) We’d swim in my grandparents’ pool while the maid and her grandchildren lived in the garage. These experiences were so shocking, so different from anything I experienced growing up in Europe, that they are my sharpest childhood memories.
So what connects these men’s southern African backgrounds with Maga today? Southern Africa under apartheid offered an extreme version of some of the main themes of American life today. First, there was tremendous inequality. The mine where Thiel’s father worked was “known for conditions not far removed from indentured servitude”, writes Thiel’s biographer Max Chafkin. “White managers, like the Thiels, had access to a brand-new medical and dental centre in Swakopmund and membership in the company country club.” The mine’s Black migrant workers lived in work camps.
To whites of a certain mindset, this inequality wasn’t due to apartheid. They thought it was inscribed in nature. Certain people were equipped to succeed in capitalism, while others weren’t. That was simply the way it was, and it was pointless to try to mess with nature. Two of Thiel’s contemporaries at Stanford in the 1980s recall him telling them that apartheid “works” and was “economically sound”. His spokesman has denied that he ever supported apartheid.
The white South African nightmare in the 1980s, hanging over everything, was that one day Black people would rise up and massacre whites. Like the US, South Africa was a violent society and becoming more violent in the 80s. Musk’s teenage recollections of seeing murders on trains may not be entirely factual, but do evoke the atmosphere of the era. He warned in 2023 about potential “genocide of white people in South Africa”. Trump’s recent claim about “American girls being raped and sodomised and murdered by savage criminal aliens” preyed on similar white fears.
The final commonality between many white South Africans who experienced the end of apartheid and today’s American right: a contempt for government. The apartheid regime and then the African National Congress left millions of South Africans without electricity, dignity, safety or decent schooling. That experience can encourage anti-government libertarianism. Furber has said that the first online message of what would become QAnon — “Open your eyes. Many in our govt worship Satan” — made perfect sense to him.
If you’re a libertarian who believes that inequality is natural and lives in fear of race war, you will be drawn towards a certain type of American politics. You certainly won’t want government or institutions to try to intervene against racism. In 1995, a year after the ANC began attempting that in South Africa, Thiel and Sacks, who met at Stanford, published The Diversity Myth in the US. It’s a well-written defence of “western civilisation” against “multiculturalism” (or what the right now calls “woke”), written by two white twentysomethings who are sure racism isn’t the problem. Indeed, they explain: “There are almost no real racists . . . in America’s younger generation.”
Three decades later, this duo and Musk, with whom they united in Silicon Valley’s “PayPal mafia”, are backing a white Republican ticket that peddles made-up stories about Black immigrants from Haiti eating pets. The opposing Democrats are fielding a Black presidential candidate for the third time in five elections. The racial aspect of politics is almost as plain as it was in South Africa.
Obviously, Musk et al incurred many other influences besides apartheid, ranging from science-fiction to the billionaire’s fear of the tax bill. Still, an old, white South African mindset lives on in Trumpism.
Email Simon at simon.kuper@ft.com
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