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A progressive favorite, what went wrong?

His inexperience makes him butt heads with everyone, and you can't put down the Mayoral hierarchy card when you need the help of the Alder people in the more democratic process. Lightfoot tried the same thing, but out of ego. Johnson does it because he thinks that's what needs to be done.

Sometimes Johnson just misses, and continues to miss instead of realignment. If he had more political years he probably has better success and is able to adjust.

EDIT: Nap posting Illinois Policy articles? Breh is completing the grift and going full right wing. :dead:
 
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Dems in Michigan and Minnesota lost seats after implementing a slew of progressive policies. Sherrod Brown also lost his seat despite being very pro worker, and Kamala (if I'm remembering correctly) did better in Vermont than Bernie.

If your theory is correct, why did all this occur?
If the Dems fully embraced a workers-first identity, not just in policy but in rhetoric and branding they would win more. People don’t vote based on policy checklists; they vote based on who they feel represents them. The GOP successfully rebranded itself as the party of the working man (despite pushing policies that mostly help the wealthy), while Dems are clearly perceived as the party of elites. If Dems visibly and consistently positioned themselves as champions of the working class, they could peel off more disillusioned blue-collar voters. By writing off a huge portion of the electorate as irredeemably racist, the Dems are letting the GOP win forever without a fight. Their failure to offer a compelling economic vision has enabled right wing populism and their racist tropes to thrive. If Dems actually fought unapologetically for workers and framed minority/LBTQ rights as an economic issue, they would win much more.
Ehh. My views generally lean progressive but I don't think anything Dems could offer is going to trump the racial resentment that the GOP thrives on. People vote against their self-interest all the time just so the people they don't like get hurt and I just don't think offering economic benefits sways them. Bernie tried it and the "economic anxiety" arguments are debunked by now.

Personally I think it would be more productive for Democrats to focus on social media (which IMO is the real reason they lost...that and 'cism/'xism) than indulging in another lame progressive vs. centrist civil war.
The GOP uses race and culture wars to distract from the class war, not because classism doesn't matter, but because it does and could pose a serious threat to their power. If economic populism were totally useless, why does the GOP pretend to be a “working-class" party now? They know that the class war is powerful, they just twist it toward white grievances instead of economic justice. If anything, social media and economic populism should be used together, workers' rights, and corporate greed can all be part of viral social media campaigns the same way the right does it with wokeness
 

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Americans are given a choice every 4yrs and they choose who they choose. Nobody loves a billionaire more than Americans do. We idolize those who can capitalize within capitalism. The education system is what it is. But Americans aren’t powerless completely, they just let their voices be heard every 4yrs. It will take a quality life reset back to the pre-GI bill days for Americans to collectively vote for their self interest. You said it yourself, those were common sense measures that reflects the extreme conditions of workers at that time. Well….what happened this month? Why weren’t the majority of “working Americans” motivated to vote down ballot for progressive candidates with more transformative policies? Why did they elect the billionaire shrewd New Yorker for the 2nd time? :jbhmm:
Based on this post it seems you dont understand how power, money, and propaganda shape elections. The idea that Americans are just making a "free choice" every four years, unaffected by corporate media, dark money, voter suppression, and systemic rigging, is downright laughable.
Billionaires, corporations, and the political establishment spend trillions flooding the airwaves, and social media with misinformation, fear-mongering, and culture war distractions, anyone who thinks this doesnt effect how people vote is a fool. You can’t just say “Americans idolize billionaires” without acknowledging that decades of relentless capitalist propaganda have glorified them while demonizing socialism/communism, collective action, unions, and government assistance.

Then on top of all of that you have voter suppression. Gerrymandering, voter ID laws, the gutting of the Voting Rights Act, long voting lines in poor and black neighborhoods, and the electoral college all make it impossible for your vote to really count. Even when voters do make it to the polls, the corporate media serves the interests of the elite, they frame elections as horse races and do everything to avoid talking about class wars. How much time do mainstream media outlets spend seriously debating wealth redistribution, labor movements, or corporate power? None. Instead, they keep people fixated on culture war distractions while billionaires continue to loot the economy.

The idea that Americans simply don’t want progressive policies is another bold faced lie by bad actors or people who are just not informed on what they're talking about. Progressive economic policies consistently win when put to a direct vote, higher minimum wages, labor protections, marijuana legalization, and Medicaid expansion all pass overwhelmingly in deep red states. The issue isn’t that people don’t want these things; it’s that the Democratic Party often fails to frame them in a way that resonates, and corporate-backed candidates actively sabotage progressive momentum. Meanwhile, the ruling class spends trillions to convince people that their problems are caused by anyone but the rich. Working-class anger is real, but instead of being directed at billionaires and corporations, it’s redirected toward immigrants, minorities and homosexuals. The GOP, with help from corporate Democrats, has mastered the art of channeling class frustration into cultural wars, keeping people divided and distracted from the real enemy.

This isn’t a neutral, fair system where Americans just naturally gravitate toward billionaires. The ruling class engineers the illusion of choice by rigging the system at every level. Saying “Americans just vote for what they want” ignores the massive machinery of propaganda and voter suppression that guarantees real economic populism is never a mainstream option. If anything, the fact that despite all this, progressive ideas still manage to gain traction shows just how much potential there is for real change if people stop pretending this system is a functioning democracy and start recognizing it for what it is: an oligarchy where elections serve as a formality to maintain elite control. It's amazing just because we have elections people still think they're free
 

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The GOP uses race and culture wars to distract from the class war, not because classism doesn't matter, but because it does and could pose a serious threat to their power. If economic populism were totally useless, why does the GOP pretend to be a “working-class" party now? They know that the class war is powerful, they just twist it toward white grievances instead of economic justice. If anything, social media and economic populism should be used together, workers' rights, and corporate greed can all be part of viral social media campaigns the same way the right does it with wokeness

The problem is that white grievance politics is just more effective and a bigger motivator. Any programs or whatever else that would benefit the working class is just going to be seen as a handout to minorities. Lyndon B. Johnson said it best -

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The GOP pretending to be "working class" is nothing but a way for their voters to justify their :mjpls: motives
 

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The problem is that white grievance politics is just more effective and a bigger motivator. Any programs or whatever else that would benefit the working class is just going to be seen as a handout to minorities. Lyndon B. Johnson said it best -

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The GOP pretending to be "working class" is nothing but a way for their voters to justify their :mjpls: motives
If white grievance was the only political motivator then the civil rights act or the New Deal never would have been passed. If white grievance were truly the dominant political force, we wouldn’t see progressive economic policies passing in red states. Yet, time and again, we do. Florida voted for Trump while also approving a $15 minimum wage. Missouri and South Dakota have passed Medicaid expansion and paid sick leave, Ohio just voted to legalize marijuana and protect abortion rights. When progressive policies are presented separate from partisan identity they win, even among voters susceptible to far right culture war BS. If white grievance was the only thing that motivated white voters these things would've never passed. Also the GOP’s working class rebrand is more than just a cover for racism, it’s a strategic attempt to capture economic frustration that Democrats have largely abandoned. Trump also ran on anti-elitist rhetoric (even though his actual policy or lack thereof is anything but that). The far right has actively co-opted labor rhetoric, JD Vance is out here pretending to support unions and Marco Rubio is cosplaying as a pro-worker conservative. The fact that the right even bothers with this talk shows there is a real demand for economic populism, but Dems have failed to meet it. Instead of treating white grievance politics as an unbeatable force, Democrats should recognize their own role in allowing it to thrive. Accepting that white grievance is the only real political motivator, is just conceding the working class to the right forever. Economic populism has worked before, and it can work again, but only if Dems actually fight for it instead of writing off millions of voters and allowing the GOP to dominate the narrative unchallenged.
 

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Here we can see that it’s easier for some people to believe that all red-state voters are just irredeemably racist or ignorant than to grapple with the structural failures of the Democratic Party and the broader political system. The reality is, many working-class voters in red states already support progressive policies when framed outside of partisan identity. Things like higher minimum wages, Medicare for All, legal weed, and strong labor protections often pass via ballot initiatives even in deep red states. The issue isn’t that these voters are ideologically opposed to progressive policies—it’s that the Democratic Party, for decades, has failed to counter right-wing propaganda effectively, or offer a real populist alternative. They've completely eroded the trust that voters gave them in previous generations.

Another lazy narrative that absolves the Democratic establishment of responsibility while making no attempt to win over people who could be reached with real, material policies. This argument also showcases a deep misunderstanding of how politics actually works. People don’t vote based on policy they vote based on identity, trust, culture, and who they feel speaks for them. The right has spent decades perfecting a strategy of culture war, while the Democrats have failed to counter it in any way that would resonate with working-class voters. The Democratic party has no identity
You accuse democrats of being imperfect. Of which, I agree.

And what does “irredeemably racist” mean?
 

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If white grievance was the only political motivator then the civil rights act or the New Deal never would have been passed. If white grievance were truly the dominant political force, we wouldn’t see progressive economic policies passing in red states. Yet, time and again, we do. Florida voted for Trump while also approving a $15 minimum wage. Missouri and South Dakota have passed Medicaid expansion and paid sick leave, Ohio just voted to legalize marijuana and protect abortion rights. When progressive policies are presented separate from partisan identity they win, even among voters susceptible to far right culture war BS. If white grievance was the only thing that motivated white voters these things would've never passed. Also the GOP’s working class rebrand is more than just a cover for racism, it’s a strategic attempt to capture economic frustration that Democrats have largely abandoned. Trump also ran on anti-elitist rhetoric (even though his actual policy or lack thereof is anything but that). The far right has actively co-opted labor rhetoric, JD Vance is out here pretending to support unions and Marco Rubio is cosplaying as a pro-worker conservative. The fact that the right even bothers with this talk shows there is a real demand for economic populism, but Dems have failed to meet it. Instead of treating white grievance politics as an unbeatable force, Democrats should recognize their own role in allowing it to thrive. Accepting that white grievance is the only real political motivator, is just conceding the working class to the right forever. Economic populism has worked before, and it can work again, but only if Dems actually fight for it instead of writing off millions of voters and allowing the GOP to dominate the narrative unchallenged.
Why do you want working class “anti-elite” politics so bad?

Why are you excusing herrenvolk populism?
 

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His inexperience makes him butt heads with everyone, and you can't put down the Mayoral hierarchy card when you need the help of the Alder people in the more democratic process. Lightfoot tried the same thing, but out of ego. Johnson does it because he thinks that's what needs to be done.

Sometimes Johnson just misses, and continues to miss instead of realignment. If he had more political years he probably has better success and is able to adjust.
He also deploys 2010s identity politics. Not the 2025 version.
 

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He also deploys 2010s identity politics. Not the 2025 version.

Identity politics is not the issue. It's the "my job, my plan" thing. People want direction and cooperative engagement.

It's an Illinois Policy Institute write up. You may as well go directly to Fox and Friends and bypass the balaclava.

Now, he certainly has unpopularity with his mayoral pitfalls, but you're gonna try to put trannies in here somewhere and that isn't the issue.
 

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Identity politics is not the issue. It's the "my job, my plan" thing. People want direction and cooperative engagement.

It's an Illinois Policy Institute write up. You may as well go directly to Fox and Friends and bypass the balaclava.

Now, he certainly has unpopularity with his mayoral pitfalls, but you're gonna try to put trannies in here somewhere and that isn't the issue.
Nah. Cause when he was criticized he was saying it was unfair cause he’s a black man. This was like a few weeks ago. Not to mention he sounds slow at public speaking. Complete loser and too soft on crime.

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The problem is that white grievance politics is just more effective and a bigger motivator. Any programs or whatever else that would benefit the working class is just going to be seen as a handout to minorities. Lyndon B. Johnson said it best -

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The GOP pretending to be "working class" is nothing but a way for their voters to justify their :mjpls: motives
The GOP is really the party that "hurts the right people":mjpls:. In my experience, I have never seen GOP politicians advocate for workers' rights. Instead, they fight for the rights of corporations to exploit their employees. So, whenever I hear someone claim that the GOP is the "blue-collar":mjpls: party, I just roll my eyes.:childplease:
 

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Nah. Cause when he was criticized he was saying it was unfair cause he’s a black man. This was like a few weeks ago. Not to mention he sounds slow at public speaking. Complete loser and too soft on crime.

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These articles just reinforced what I said about his fulfillment of the mayoral job. The criticisms in scope are the reactions to his unsuccessful methods of deploying his plans.

I'd suggest to not twist things, but sometimes I forget where I am on the internet. :ehh:
 
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