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I didn't know "Greg Price" was on the SCOTUS.
Whose voice was that on the recording?
You have no principles. The enemy of my enemy ain't my friend.

Her comparison wasn't about the specific subject matter (interracial marriage vs. gender-affirming care). It was about the legal argument Tennessee is using where they claim that the law is non-discriminatory because it applies equally to everyone. They're using the same flawed logic Virginia used to defend its ban on interracial marriage in Loving.

Further, equal protection under the Constitution doesn't depend on whether a characteristic is congenital. The law protects people from discrimination in all areas, including healthcare access. Gender identity and the medical care it necessitates is part of their person-hood, much like the right to marry was fundamental in Loving. Rights aren't limited to "congenital phenotypes" anyway. Most of our rights, such as who marries whom, how to vote, or how we live, are about choices, and the law protects those equally. Discrimination in access to gender-affirming care involves the same equal protection principles.

The Biden Administration is paving the way to ban trans surgeries and hoping the courts basically stop it.

Read between the lines. You all lost.





High Court Argument Promotes Targeted Limits on Transgender Care
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The Biden administration’s concession this week that states can reasonably limit when minors may receive gender-affirming care could provide a stronger legal basis for state laws that restrict treatments, attorneys say.

In oral arguments before the US Supreme Court, US Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar argued that Tennessee’s law prohibiting the use of puberty blockers, hormone therapy, and surgery for those under 18 wasn’t specifically tailored to advance the state’s interest of protecting the health and welfare of minors.

But Prelogar went on to say that “there is a real space for states to regulate here,” citing a West Virginia law that in part requires at least two different doctors to diagnose a minor with gender dysphoria before they can receive treatment.

While a majority of justices voiced skepticism to the federal government’s argument that the Tennessee law is a form of sex-based discrimination that violates the Constitution’s equal protection guarantee, legal analysts say the argument on West Virginia’s approach could be used in the future to defend state laws that limit access to gender-affirming care for minors but stop short of completely banning treatments.

“Even if states suffered a temporary setback that said they couldn’t outright ban” care for minors, states could still “push such a draconian regulatory package that effectively eliminates access to care or makes it basically inaccessible to anyone,” said Alejandra Caraballo, a clinical instructor at Harvard Law School’s Cyberlaw Clinic who has worked on LGBTQ+ civil rights litigation.

‘Tailored’ Laws

A total of 26 states have enacted laws or policies limiting youth access to gender-affirming care, with nearly 40% of transgender youth ages 13 to 17 currently living in states with restrictions, according to KFF.

The Biden administration and major medical associations have argued the Tennessee law and those like it go against standard medical practices for treating transgender youth.

Prelogar argued Wednesday that West Virginia took a different approach by taking into account studies defending the benefits of gender-affirming care and imposing “a set of guardrails that are far more precisely tailored to concerns surrounding the delivery of this care.”

In addition to the two-doctor requirement, the West Virginia law also requires the diagnosing medical professionals to express in written opinions that the treatment is necessary to “treat the minor’s psychiatric symptoms and limit self-harm, or the possibility of self-harm.”

The minor or the minor’s parents must also agree in writing to the provision of treatment for gender dysphoria—the psychological distress caused by the incongruence between a person’s gender identity and sex assigned at birth.

“A law like that is going to fare much better under heightened scrutiny,” Prelogar told the high court, referring to the legal standard used by courts to evaluate whether a law’s sex or other characteristic-based classification advances a substantially relevant state interest.

Nicole Huberfeld, a health law professor and co-director of the Boston University Program on Reproductive Justice, agreed with Prelogar’s assessment, saying that “if a state wanted to adopt a gender-affirming care ban, the West Virginia model appears to be the safer path.”

If a state adopted this model, “then that state would be better able to argue that its law is not just rooted in bald prejudice but rather in taking access to gender-affirming care slowly as the science develops,” Huberfeld said.

She argued, though, that taking this approach could lead to states pursuing exceptions that “may be as difficult to apply as abortion ban exceptions.”

Health-care providers have repeatedly criticized exceptions in state abortion bans that allow for the procedure in medical emergencies or in cases of rape or incest, citing situations in which patients should have qualified for care but were unable to get it.

Caraballo said the West Virginia approach could also create incentives for gender-affirming care laws similar to targeted regulation of abortion provider, or TRAP, laws, including those that impose regulations on physicians’ offices where abortions are performed or require that abortion providers have an affiliation with a local hospital.

Biden Win Unlikely

The question over whether gender-affirming care limits for minors should be more narrowly tailored may only come up if the high court sides with the Biden administration in this case, said Thomas Jipping, a senior legal fellow at the Heritage Foundation.

“The question of tailoring is only relevant if it’s a higher standard of proof—in other words, if the justices conclude that the law is a sex-based classification,” Jipping said.

“I will not be surprised if at least five or six justices say, no, it’s not, it applies the same restriction, regardless of sex.”

But if justices say it is a sex-based classification that isn’t sufficiently justified, “it would be obviously wise for states that wanted to pass a restriction like this to modify it accordingly, whether that would be in the way West Virginia’s done or in another way,” Jipping said.

When asked Wednesday by Justice Clarence Thomas about West Virginia’s law, Tennessee Solicitor General Matthew Rice said the “arguments with respect to the alternative approaches is pure policymaking.”

“The question of how many minors have to have their bodies irreparably harmed for unproven benefits is one that is best left for the legislature,” Rice said.


Calling gender-affirming care "voluntary" further exposes your ignorance. It also ignores the real fact that it is medically NECESSARY for many transgender people. This is recognized by EVERY leading health organization. Tennessee's law singles out transgender youth for exclusion from care, much like Virginia's law singled out interracial couples from marriage. The heart of this issue is the discriminatory impact.
Theres no evidence of this, especially in Europe that has retracted all of their gender clinics for youths
 
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There's mountains of evidence to support this. Your denial doesn't mean shyt. Your claim that Europe has "retracted all of their gender clinics for youths" is false and misleading too. Some have adjusted their guidelines to emphasize mental health support and further research, but they have not banned gender-affirming care. They still provides it in cases deemed medically necessary but with added oversight. Even in the UK, they're not running away, but restructuring their services to actually improve care, not eliminate it. All these countries continue to provide critical medical care under established guidelines - guidelines that people like you try to dismiss.

You claim to be Black, but you have no problem signal-boosting the same people who work to drive hate against Black people, because you think you share a common adversary. That would be a gross contradiction in someone who stood for something, but we know you don't. All you have are emotionally charged and factually weak arguments. And what does your alt-right people say about that? Facts don't care about your feelings?
 

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OK, whats the case about, genius.
It's a case prohibiting gender affirming care, this includes testosterone, puberty blockers doesn't matter if it's due to legit medical reasons including your weirdo fetishism about kids. It's specifically about only the male gender which is why it is gender discrimination case. But like I said you're a right wing redpilled weirdo who's completely alright with discrimination as long as it fits your personal life perspective. I'm not sure how you can call yourself a "liberal" let alone a "progressive" and be strongly supportive of discriminating against other marginalized groups whom don't fit your agenda.
 

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Anyone else notice the uptick in this guy citing alt-right accounts like this to push this anti-trans agenda? I saw him posting "end wokness" earlier. I really do wish people like you would disappear. People like you are more of a detriment to this party than almost anything else.

Anybody with a functioning brain (and acting in good faith) understands that her central point was about Tennessee using the same rational that was rejected in Loving to claim that the ban is non-discriminatory because it applies equally to boys and girls, just like it was claimed that Loving was non-discriminatory because it applied equally to both Black and white people. And that if it stands, it would undermine the foundational principles of equal protection. It's a simple comparative analysis.
I noticed it when he went increasingly hard with supporting the genocide in Gaza. He's a right wing account masquerading as a supposed liberal.
 

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It's a case prohibiting gender affirming care, this includes testosterone, puberty blockers doesn't matter if it's due to legit medical reasons including your weirdo fetishism about kids. It's specifically about only the male gender which is why it is gender discrimination case. But like I said you're a right wing redpilled weirdo who's completely alright with discrimination as long as it fits your personal life perspective. I'm not sure how you can call yourself a "liberal" let alone a "progressive" and be strongly supportive of discriminating against other marginalized groups whom don't fit your agenda.
OK. Should children have access to trans surgery?
 

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There's mountains of evidence to support this. Your denial doesn't mean shyt. Your claim that Europe has "retracted all of their gender clinics for youths" is false and misleading too. Some have adjusted their guidelines to emphasize mental health support and further research, but they have not banned gender-affirming care. They still provides it in cases deemed medically necessary but with added oversight. Even in the UK, they're not running away, but restructuring their services to actually improve care, not eliminate it. All these countries continue to provide critical medical care under established guidelines - guidelines that people like you try to dismiss.
Why did europeans move away from endorsing radical gender affirmation therapies you endorse?
You claim to be Black, but you have no problem signal-boosting the same people who work to drive hate against Black people, because you think you share a common adversary. That would be a gross contradiction in someone who stood for something, but we know you don't. All you have are emotionally charged and factually weak arguments. And what does your alt-right people say about that? Facts don't care about your feelings?
Why do you keep equating a congenital phenotype to a voluntary gender confusion?
 

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a republican goes to a center-left event and shares what he sees and you’re looking for reasons to discredit what he’s saying

man, you trans activists are persistent, huh? Anything to defend mutilating children?
A maga republican goes to a center right conference and shares his opinion, we should totally listen too him :krs:
 
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Why did europeans move away from endorsing radical gender affirmation therapies you endorse?

Why do you keep equating a congenital phenotype to a voluntary gender confusion?
You keep repeating these claims about Europe "moving away" from gender-affirming care, and they are false. European countries are still providing gender-affirming care with updated guidelines for oversight and mental health support. You know all of this emotionally-charged bullshyt doesn't work here, right?

And calling gender identity "voluntary gender confusion" is just hateful. You are intentionally adopting this backwards language to dehumanize trans people so you can justify discrimination against them.

EVERYTHING you're saying flies in the face of the global medical consensus. EVERY leading health organization recognizes gender identity as an inherent aspect of a person.

You can't keep acting like you're the smartest person in the room when you don't even understand that laws don't just reserve equal protection for "congenital phenotypes," but also protects people from discrimination. All you're doing is showing that this is only about your personal hate and bigotry and nothing more.
 
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