"Death to the Pessimistic State of Mind" - Nas Voice: NYK '23 Pre-Season Thread

[Derek Lee]

Eye test, his game is so smooth and effortless, breh

But Y’all can get gassed off RJ lowering his shoulder and bullying his way to the rim on every drive

Reddish has been always getting gassed off the eye test since high school, but he hasn't produced tangible results. You stay getting impressed by the most asinine shyt. FOH

 

[#1 pick]

Eye test, his game is so smooth and effortless, breh

But Y’all can get gassed off RJ lowering his shoulder and bullying his way to the rim on every drive

I sware I am snacking the shyt outta Travis when I see him for that trade

 

[Derek Lee]

 

[JMurder]

No gas lighting at all. Grimes addressed a serious hole in the team at the time. Perimeter defense & 3 point shooting. I wasn't (and most here) weren't worried about his shot not falling because he took good shots that looked like he usually would make. His defense was impressive in summer league & we all were enjoying that. Most of us saw the potential & that preseason gamed confirmed it.

That's all true and well and good. But again...were we really expecting a non-lottery pick to shoot into the rotation over numerous good players who have either established themselves in the league for numerous years, established themselves overseas, or have established themselves within the existing system? That's all I'm really trying to say. Grimes wasn't showing 20 PPG scoring potential and this is a scorers league. Again...I agree with all of that. BUT the best arguments acknowledge the flaws in themselves.

And you're keep ignoring the context of the preseason game bro. Those 6 points were huge at the time. I really don't think you remember because you wouldn't keep repeating that lol. This rookie went out & hit clutch shots (was actually calling for the ball when D-Rose was running the point) & knocked down a shot that brought us back. He also had some clutch steals that ignited the team. Context bro; key moments during the game where a rookie might freeze & he didn't; he rose to the occasion. That in itself should've earned him some minutes before covid but we all know how Thibs rolls

bro...it's one preseason game. Any player on any other team and you wouldn't be talking like this

 

[ISO]

@JMurder is right a late first round/second round projected guy isn’t leapfrogging established players especially after 5 games…

I told y’all since the beginning of the season to not expect much from McBride or Grimes

 

[Wargames]

All of you are missing the most important fact of the night

IQ scored 21 points, Marcus Morris scored 4



I love shyt like that. Sometimes you got to appreciate the team you got.

 

[RickyGQ]

Do you guys think a Mitch Robison and Chet Holmgren front court can work? Kinda like Mobley and Allen in Cleveland. Mitch isn’t a TERRIBLE defender in space, as long as he stays disciplined. And Chet can help stretch the floor on offense.

 

[RickyGQ]

McBride's POA defense is something...

What a “revelation”

 

[RickyGQ]

There's absolutely no reason why he or Sims (especially Deuce) shouldn't have been getting minutes earlier like Grimes

There was definitely a reason imo. But by Mid January it should be been clear that that reason was bullshyt.

 

[OsO]

I agree with building around that core
Mitch don’t need to put on more weight or muscles
He’s fine at his weight
Core strength and his mobility is the only thing he should focus on
He don’t need any post moves because he’s not that kind of player

Every big man needs at least a baby hook in their arsenal. It's too easy of a shot and as deep as Mitch gets in the paint, a baby hook is adding 8+ points a game for him easy.

 

[Knicksman20]

@JMurder is right a late first round/second round projected guy isn’t leapfrogging established players especially after 5 games…

I told y’all since the beginning of the season to not expect much from McBride or Grimes

Nah that’s not the point I or @ikbm was making bro. The point is, Fournier played so bad at the beginning of the season, the sentiment was what can we have to lose for starting Grimes. I knew it was unrealistic but at the same time, I thought Thibs was a fool for not even giving him any minutes which was the whole point. He showed during the summer league & in the preseason at the very least he could keep his man in front of him which we were desperately lacking. I knew the shot was there but wasn't sure if he could do it consistently but at the very least, he should've been given a look before Covid ravaged the team

@JMurder we're just gonna have to agree to disagree on this. I think you're in the minority with your opinion but the point I was making is above & I'll stand by that

 

[JMurder]

Do you guys think a Mitch Robison and Chet Holmgren front court can work? Kinda like Mobley and Allen in Cleveland. Mitch isn’t a TERRIBLE defender in space, as long as he stays disciplined. And Chet can help stretch the floor on offense.

How I view the top 4 of the draft:

If you get Chet you see what you can get for Mitch and sign and trade (or just trade if you already signed him). No need to put Mitch in a less than ideal situation to make room for a potentially better center

If you get Jabari, you get rid of either Randle or Fournier and let him play the 3 or 4

If you get Banchero, get rid of Randle for whatever you can get for him

If you get Jaden Ivey, you plug him in at PG and make sure he always is on the court with either RJ or D Rose

 

[JMurder]

Nah that’s not the point I or @ikbm was making bro. The point is, Fournier played so bad at the beginning of the season, the sentiment was what can we have to lose for starting Grimes. I knew it was unrealistic but at the same time, I thought Thibs was a fool for not even giving him any minutes which was the whole point. He showed during the summer league & in the preseason at the very least he could keep his man in front of him which we were desperately lacking. I knew the shot was there but wasn't sure if he could do it consistently but at the very least, he should've been given a look before Covid ravaged the team

@JMurder we're just gonna have to agree to disagree on this. I think you're in the minority with your opinion but the point I was making is above & I'll stand by that

You don't bench an 11 year vet who's started nearly every game for the past 6 years AND has an EFG% OVER 56 during the last 3 because he goes through a slump. I'm glad you realize it's unrealistic.

Quentin Grimes played in half the games before the Knicks started him and played at least 12 minutes in 4 of them. This roster had lots of players that required minutes... Some of them young. I'm not sure what you would've done different without the benefit of hindsight

 

[Knicksman20]

You don't bench an 11 year vet who's started nearly every game for the past 6 years AND has an EFG% OVER 56 during the last 3 because he goes through a slump. I'm glad you realize it's unrealistic.

Quentin Grimes played in half the games before the Knicks started him and played at least 12 minutes in 4 of them. This roster had lots of players that required minutes... Some of them young. I'm not sure what you would've done different without the benefit of hindsight

Disingenuous stat bro. Grimes played mostly garbage time & in blowout loses for the most part before he got a real shot some time in December. And that was because Covid hit us. Don't do that lol. I would've cut Fournier's mins in half since he couldn't play D & couldn't throw the ball in an ocean. And that's the main issue with Thibs. He's a walking contradiction when it comes to W's, playing time, & accountability. Any other coach that had a rookie prospect on the bench that you know could play great D would've given him a look sooner; especially with 2 liabilities on D in your back-court in the starting lineup. The bonus with Grimes is he could hit the open 3

 

[RickyGQ]

How I view the top 4 of the draft:

If you get Chet you see what you can get for Mitch and sign and trade (or just trade if you already signed him). No need to put Mitch in a less than ideal situation to make room for a potentially better center

If you get Jabari, you get rid of either Randle or Fournier and let him play the 3 or 4

If you get Banchero, get rid of Randle for whatever you can get for him

If you get Jaden Ivey, you plug him in at PG and make sure he always is on the court with either RJ or D Rose

but that’s what i would have said about Mobley last year and the Cavs were able to turn Mobley and Allen into a modern day twin towers/a top defense. While the comparisons aren’t perfect: Mobley is a way better defender in space than Chet might ever be meaning Chet would basically be the power forward on offense and center on defense depending on the matchups. But the idea of two elite rim protecters on the floor at all times is really intriguing.