@DEAD7 Might Just Be Right

[Mr. Somebody]

No, I'm just being realistic. Look what happened in Egypt and Syria. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, friend. Anyway, that is besides the point. DEAD7 wants to make that last resort revolting the only option consumers have to deal with corporate domination and monopolies. I think we should have more and better options.

We're talking about how to make companies change their polices we arent talking about a r3v0lution here.
Such as?

This is where you will possibly be exposed, friend.

Egypt and Syria. We're talking about businesses, not governments.

 

[The Real]

Such as?

This is where you will possibly be exposed, friend.

I'm not sure what exposal you're talking about, friend. Like I said earlier in this same thread, those options would be brought about by regulations that prevent oligopolies and allow consumers more choice, and by legislation to restrict the free flow of people and influence between lobbying organizations/corporate interests and government. That will make it so that the last-resort option isn't the only one. If we are talking about mass-organized revolts, whether in terms of consumers or in terms of people in general, that is a sign that things are already at their worst.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

I'm not sure what exposal you're talking about, friend. Like I said earlier in this same thread, those options would be brought about by regulations that prevent oligopolies and allow consumers more choice, and by legislation to restrict the free flow of people and influence between lobbying organizations/corporate interests and government. That will make it so that the last-resort option isn't the only one. If we are talking about mass-organized revolts, whether in terms of consumers or in terms of people in general, that is a sign that things are already at their worst.

SO you're saying without govenrment intervention there is no hope. Sad way of thinking. All great change is brought about by a small group of unreasonable men. You're just a little to reasonable, friend.

 

[DEAD7]

SO you're saying without govenrment intervention there is no hope. Sad way of thinking. All great change is brought about by a small group of unreasonable men. You're just a little to reasonable, friend.

 

[The Real]

SO you're saying without govenrment intervention there is no hope. Sad way of thinking. All great change is brought about by a small group of unreasonable men. You're just a little to reasonable, friend.

No, because I think that only an energized public will be able to push for those changes to be made. That is a false dichotomy, friend. Government, left to itself, won't magically fix the problem because the people in there now are part of it.

 

[DEAD7]

So the people do have the power...

 

[The Real]

So the people do have the power...

To push, democratically, for legal changes? Yes, though it's still not easy. To organize themselves to shut down whole businesses through consumer decision? No, not really.

 

[NZA]

Maybe netflix needs to be sacrificed so ISP's can be crushed into repealing this trash. All it takes is one good provider to not be on board and the game is changed. Dont let google get in the game and bring the net back to what it once was, if these isp's get out of hand.

they may not even get sacrificed. they may simply have to pay fees to ISPs, and then pass the costs on to netflix subscribers. now netflix subscribers will pay more for no increase in service. something that is just incrementally worse will likely not rally a bunch of protest, just slightly piss people off. in the long term, it will stifle innovation.

 

[DEAD7]

To push, democratically, for legal changes? Yes, though it's still not easy. To organize themselves to shut down whole businesses through consumer decision? No, not really.

I believe you underestimate the market mechanism, but to be fair I could be overestimating it.

edit: the consumers do dictate what the business can and cant do. This much is certain.

 

[DEAD7]

they may not even get sacrificed. they may simply have to pay fees to ISPs, and then pass the costs on to netflix subscribers. now netflix subscribers will pay more for no increase in service. something that is just incrementally worse will likely not rally a bunch of protest, just slightly piss people off. in the long term, it will stifle innovation.

The regulatory body has been empowered to the point where, there is really little that can be done to stop it. We are f*cked.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

they may not even get sacrificed. they may simply have to pay fees to ISPs, and then pass the costs on to netflix subscribers. now netflix subscribers will pay more for no increase in service. something that is just incrementally worse will likely not rally a bunch of protest, just slightly piss people off. in the long term, it will stifle innovation.

Im sorry no ones paying 30 dollars a month for netflix. They will be crushed.

 

[NZA]

Im sorry no ones paying 30 dollars a month for netflix. They will be crushed.

or more people will switch to their cheapest tier of service. once netflix split their streaming and disc delivery service, most people complained but ended up sticking with the company by choosing what they were willing to tolerate

 

[Mr. Somebody]

or more people will switch to their cheapest tier of service. once netflix split their streaming and disc delivery service, most people complained but ended up sticking with the company by choosing what they were willing to tolerate

I dont see it happening. Getting a lower tier of service with less bandwidth and paying more money for netflix. You not thinking this all the way through. Netflix, will be destroyed.

 

[NZA]

I dont see it happening. Getting a lower tier of service with less bandwidth and paying more money for netflix. You not thinking this all the way through. Netflix, will be destroyed.

every product or service has some degree of elasticity. i actually stopped using netflix once they decoupled blu rays from streaming, but most people stayed.

 

[The Real]

I believe you underestimate the market mechanism, but to be fair I could be overestimating it.

edit: the consumers do dictate what the business can and cant do. This much is certain.

Yes, but the causal chain doesn't just stop with the consumers, either. The behavior is cyclical. People generally take what they are offered, and consumers interests and desires can be and are manipulated on a daily basis.