David Banner: "We're Breeding A Generation Of Spineless Zombies"
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The crack epidemic exposed the worst out of us and made us into monsters. Chuck D always spoke about growing up in the 70s and he grew up in an era where black love and pride was at an all time high. He saw the damage of crack first hand and he see hoe it damn near killed off the mental progression of the black community.
PhonZhi
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Feel the "spirit/energy" of this:
Compared to the dark, gloomy, "demonic" sounding beats that play all day on urban radio:
NoSingleMothersB
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No. They don't.
I disagree. If the majority of the rappers out now started echoing what Banner is speaking on, it would hold a lot more weight. Would this be all that's needed? No, but it would damn sure help. We need more positive images of our black brothers and sisters in the media, not this foul shyt that's getting all the radio play. This is where our rappers and entertainers can help.
I sorry, brehs; I tire of this "preaching to the choir."
Yes, this is a great video to gather round and expound on how brave and deep he is missing to obvious hyperbole, leaps in logic and circular arguments. i.e. Are we zombies or is it "White Supremacy" fault?
I apologize for the short, flippant retort; this is proof we don't need more rappers speaking, we need more actual professionals speaking. Actual doctors, sociologist, psychological professionals. Why do we give a pass to everyone who "speaks out" to say what ever they want as long as they hit they hit the familiar talking points? "Slavery was bad," "black youth are aimless," "Hip-Hop has changed."???
Mine you, I don't want to attack Banner, as a man (he was correct on that). But, yall really think this is the "eye-opener" we need ??? Black folk hear all day about about how complicit we are in our "destructive," that's why this get ignored. You criticize a ppl for tearing each other down by tearung them down? That doesn't work...
I'm tired of everyone hitting a few books and NOW, they have the solution, it just no one will listen.
And it kills me ill be called a "CAC" "agent" "c00n" for interuptting David Banners coronation...when, (if u disagree), we should be building to a middle ground to actually solve the problem not tripping over a simple difference in stance. Peace, yall.
Yes, this is a great video to gather round and expound on how brave and deep he is missing to obvious hyperbole, leaps in logic and circular arguments. i.e. Are we zombies or is it "White Supremacy" fault?
I apologize for the short, flippant retort; this is proof we don't need more rappers speaking, we need more actual professionals speaking. Actual doctors, sociologist, psychological professionals. Why do we give a pass to everyone who "speaks out" to say what ever they want as long as they hit they hit the familiar talking points? "Slavery was bad," "black youth are aimless," "Hip-Hop has changed."???
Mine you, I don't want to attack Banner, as a man (he was correct on that). But, yall really think this is the "eye-opener" we need ??? Black folk hear all day about about how complicit we are in our "destructive," that's why this get ignored. You criticize a ppl for tearing each other down by tearung them down? That doesn't work...
I'm tired of everyone hitting a few books and NOW, they have the solution, it just no one will listen.
And it kills me ill be called a "CAC" "agent" "c00n" for interuptting David Banners coronation...when, (if u disagree), we should be building to a middle ground to actually solve the problem not tripping over a simple difference in stance. Peace, yall.
Can we stop jumping to these paradise scenrios? No, weve got enough rappers talking. If everyone who loves what Banner says talked to one perseo irl we'd have progress. Stop waiting for corporate employees to give u courage to take control of spmething. If anything (based on what a lot of ppl in this very thread feel about Hip-Hop) we need to stop making rappers so influential in our communities.
If rappers were doing more good than harm then their influence would be welcomed. I'm not saying this is all we need but we need as many people as we can get to wake up. These lil young kids see these rappers and mimic the shyt they're doing which has had a negative effect in our communities, so yes they can make a difference, for better or worse. So no, I don't think we've got enough rappers talking. I've been seeing first hand that black people are beginning to see the true colors of these wicked motherfukkers who are running the world, and while that's great, we need to add as much fuel to the fire as possible. We can all do our part of course, but how many of us have the power to speak on a public platform? There's power in numbers so the ones who can reach the masses can make a bigger impact.
More anecdotal platitudes...WE DO NOT NEED RAPPERS. I resent that. Black ppl need more than that! The ppl that grant their"platforms" r the same ones we need to b watching for.
Young/Nacho\Drawz
...come on let's picture the possibility...
Even though Death Row's messages were destructive they were the new Motown.
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I wanted to touch on what he said about integration. I didn't read all of the comments in the thread so sorry if some of the things I say have already been said. But he is absolutely correct. The Civil Rights movement was a controlled, contrived movement and ultimately has done more harm than good. From what I've researched the Civil Rights movement was the replacement to the freedom movement that was taking place in the South. People wanted jobs and they wanted to end lynchings and various other forms of oppression. Even racism itself. (How can you end racism without first doing away with race?) Instead what they got was a pipe dream and series of government enforced laws balled into a package called Civil Rights sold to everyone by the controlled media and controlled leaders going along with the plan. It was one of many movements/revolutions of the sixties deigned to reconstruct society. The same thing is taking place now with the Gay agenda as its been called. They even refer back to the successful Civil Rights movement periodically. If you have been paying attention you can see the parallels between the two movements. Some of you get annoyed when they do that by saying; 'Don't compare our struggle to theirs!' But, it wasn't your struggle, it was the systems that they said was yours. Your struggle was turned into something other than what was originally planned.
I remember not too long ago when Royce 5'9 and Lord Jamar had a back and forth on Twitter and Lord Jamar posted some audio of Malcolm X talking about negro's defending slave master's. Most of you cheered at this. You delighted in it, your hearts were filled with joy! lol A few days later MLK's birthday came and most of you celebrated, just as you have been taught to. What I found odd was that in the same audio of Malcolm he spoke of MLK taking money to go along with a agenda that didn't represent the people who he was suppose to represent. The audio exposed him for being a tool of the system.
You love the idea of integrating with them due to the theory of Race and the psychological affect it has on you. Sub-consciously you feel inferior to them so you want to be like them. By being with them is a way to accomplish this, or so you think. That's why our men go after their women in droves. Porn (which a large number of you are addicted to) ingrains this into our minds even further to the point where we lust to be with them. Hollywood, sports and now the music industry perpetuates this idea as well. Most of us in these various entertainment fields are with people who aren't us and it's excepted. Not only expected but I've wondered if it's mandatory since it's so prevalent. Look at the NFL's players sitting on the sidelines looking at the cheerleaders in short skirts bouncing around doing splits, what color are most of the cheerleaders? Is this some type of seduction taking place?
You have bought into the idea that you have to move away from your people and go live with them, even though they don't want you. Then you act shocked when you get funny looks, get the cops called on you, get harassed etc. (By doing so you think you are somehow equal to them. Even though you could never be equal to them because the system of race itself places them ahead of you. Not sure why you think race is just a classification of people based on color and origins. It's really a social classification of groups of people reinforced by stereotypes. White on one end and Black on another at the bottom with other groups in between. This is evident by Charles Darwin's: The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection: The Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life. By being Black in the system of race you could never be considered favored or favorable.) I saw the integration mindset at play when people were saying 'fukk the hood' when Chix got kilt. Well, let's see what happens when you leave the hood once you "make it". "Making it" in this country simply means that you have a "high" paying job and can afford to spend more money. You are still a slave to they system, you still own nothing but you have a few more dollars than you previously did.
So instead of you staying in your own neighborhood and spending money with your own people you spend it else where. The same way a foreign store owner in the hood opens up shop and doesn't hire anyone from the hood does. They leave at the end of the day and go back to their own neighborhood and spend their money there. They also send money back to the country where they are from. All of that money builds up the place where it's sent to and spent at. Instead of building a recreation center in the hood where the people financed it by spending money the said stores, it gets built elsewhere. Oh, this doesn't just apply to Korean's, Indians, Muslims whoever you want to point the finger at. This also applies to Haitians, Nigerians, Jamaicans etc. Meaning, Black foreigners do the same thing. So if your mentality is 'I'll only spend money with Blacks', make sure they don't do the same thing. Chances are they do, it's human nature to look after your own. Well, except for us. That's why I like to differentiate between the descendants of US slavery and other groups even if we all share the same color and no matter who likes it or not. If I'm an American I don't have anywhere to send my money to, it stays here. If I stay in the hood, so does my money. People who want to do business in the hood who don't want to hire people from the hood so they can take care of their families but only want to leech off of us simply need to be boycotted or burnt down, whatever floats your boat.
Got sidetracked for a minute anyway..........
So a doctor who could spend his or her money in the hood and be a positive role model to the youth decides to move far out and never come back. That's what integration has done. Then people want to wonder why the community has fallen apart. Prior to integration when we had to live amongst one another because "they" wouldn't let us live amongst them, we had a greater sense of community. How many times have you heard "All the drug dealers and pimps had money and I wanted to be like them?" Professionals have money too, don't you think if the youth saw them more often they would want to be like them too?
Much of the rap music you love, the so called conscious, pro Black rap music has its foundation in the failed contrived Civil Rights movement that advocates integration. The same messages are present. The only reason what Banner is telling you is so powerful to you is because you have been told the opposite for so long by rappers, Black leaders and those speakers who talk slick and tickle your ears during lectures on college campuses. Truth of the matter is, there is nothing wrong with wanting to be with your own people.
What's funny about this race bs that most of you practice is you're trying to be like them and simultaneously they are trying to be like you at the same time you hate them and they hate you. hahaha I marvel at the insanity of it all!
I agree we need more than that, but are you saying that if damn near all the popular rappers out now woke the hell up and started denouncing all the negative trash they've been pushing to the masses, began to fix their communities and uplift the youth, it wouldn't make a difference?
I agree we need more educated speakers but which one are the youngins more likely to listen to? It could start with rappers reaching the kids and then that could graduate to the youth learning from the more educated among us.
I'm not saying this is gonna solve everything, but it could help.
Super Ramon
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Coming from the nikka that made this degrading song. Get this c00n outta here 
Can't agree with this. I think people misconstrue integration and the Civil Rights movement. Integration =/= assimilation. Assimilation is what you're referring to when talking about people wanting/needing to be like the majority. Assimilation is the psychological affects of slavery. As a result, a lot of us have taken on characteristics and attitudes of white oppressors. That had nothing to do with integration, but more so to do with seeds that were planted during slavery. Integration is about co-existing. A person doesn't have to give up their identity, culture, or history in order to co-exist or integrate.
The Civil Rights movement wasn't some contrived movement. There's no way you can look at what was going on then and say no progress was made. What happened was we got comfortable somewhere in between and STOPPED fighting.
In terms of inter-racial relationships. People will choose to be in whatever relationship they choose for whatever reason. The only issue with inter-racial relationships is when men/women seek relationships outside of the race for superficial reasons such as:
1) I think the men/women of other races are better than mine
2) I want my kids to have straight hair
3) I want my kids to be lighter than I am
4) I sub-consciously don't like being Black so I only pursue relationships outside of my race
People not going back to the neighborhood they were raised in has nothing to do with integration either. People did that before
IceManJones
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It's been a problem for a long time . This shift that needs to happened should have been years ago . The shyt is lost I am sorry it can't be saved . The Black America that my parents had will never come back in my lifetime, as much as I want what my parents had it is not coming back . This problem is a self repeating cycle . The rappers don't give a fukk anymore so the consumers don't care anymore .