Damn...no one cares about lyrics, bars or being the best anymore ... IS there even a top 5 anymore?

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nikka please.
That Ross garbage better than layers? :mjlol:
Yes, ross easily has a better discography than royce da 5'9, although royce is better lyrically. Youre trying to discredit people for saying ross makes better music when its pretty much a fact. :mjlol:
 

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That shyt was around way before lupe, he didn't create it.
He definitely re-energized it. If you look at hip hop singles pre 'Superstat' and post.

Just b/c Lupe is dope doesn't mean he can't be a biter.
 

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I can only speak for myself but I always cared about gunning to be the best lyricist. The longer I rapped though I gradually also cared about songwriting, musicality, hook-writing, etc. A lot of the dudes being trashed in this thread simply care more about writing a catchy song than other things. Some of them can write a catchy song AND deliver it soulfully, they might not be concerned with having the sharpest pen though.

While the game's definitely been dumbed down lyrically-speaking, there's levels to it. There's a lot of skill involved in being able to deliver a message as efficiently, evocatively and directly as possible, and the x factor comes from being able to do all that in a creative/unique way.

Also, I can't help but feeling like a lot of the talk about the "lack of lyricism" in some respect boils down to that a lot of listeners literally do not understand a lot of what they're listening to. Lyricism in the context of this forum for example is often conflated with writing more prosaically despite the fact that a lot of the time these prosaic rappers are literally rapping about the same shyt in the same (or even less) amount of depth as rappers who do not stick to prosaic conventions.

Good songwriting is a significant aspect of lyricism... If you deliver your message ineffectively and/or generically I don't necessarily care to hear it at all regardless of the lyrics being technically proficient on paper. If you're flipping prosaic conventions in a unique way then that's a different story, wordsmiths are able to bend words in new ways and even bend generic concepts in new ways.

One example of a rapper I consider to be lyrical but not in a prosaic sort of way is E-40. In his prime he was able to take conventional ideas and flip the script:



The subtext in this song makes a very strong statement about people with fukked up priorities who value themselves based on how other people think of them instead of valuing their own goals. A lot of backpack rappers in the 90s tackled this subject all the time (I don't care about gold chains and fancy cars lalalalala) to the point of making it a stereotypical backpack rap trope, but very few conveyed the message as effectively, evocatively and directly as 40 did on that song imo.
 

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nikka please.

That Ross garbage better than layers? :mjlol:

I love Kendrick, TPAB is not really an album people listen to for lyrics, neither was that untitled shyt. Royce would WASH that nikka. Same thing with Gibbs because his production >>> his bars.

If we are talking about top 5 LYRICISTS who are ACTIVE right now how in the fukk is he not in the conversation?



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outside of prayer and a few other songs that Royce album just isn't good, shadow without a doubt, untitled which isn't that good to me and black dollar are all easily better then that fake attempt of a conscious album to me :manny:


not taking anything away from Royce lyrical ability because he is an exceptional lyricist, but that album could have went in a different direction.


lol @ Gibbs production being better then his bars, I'll take this over anything on his album

 

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outside of prayer and a few other songs that Royce album just isn't good, shadow without a doubt, untitled which isn't that good to me and black dollar are all easily better then that fake attempt of a conscious album to me :manny:


not taking anything away from Royce lyrical ability because he is an exceptional lyricist, but that album could have went in a different direction.


lol @ Gibbs production being better then his bars, I'll take this over anything on his album



I love Layers and SOD, but we talking about BARS nikka, Royce is a better LYRICIST than Ross, Kendrick, Gibbs, Cole and umpteen other nikkas people a throwing out there.

Yes, ross easily has a better discography than royce da 5'9, although royce is better lyrically. Youre trying to discredit people for saying ross makes better music when its pretty much a fact. :mjlol:

1. fukk that fruad.

2. The thread title is specifically talking about top 5 LYRICISTS. If I throw names like Lupe Fiasco or Elzhi out there are you telling me Ross is getting thrown in that mix before somebody like Royce?

How much you like his projects is whatever, he ain't of that ilk.

It ain't even about discrediting people for liking his music, it's about staying the fukk on topic.

Ya'll can kill that "real hiphop" shyt trying to discredit Ross when talking about Royce because your man thought he was good enough to be on the title track for his latest album :umad:


Which was a weedplate I might add :trash:

I hope a fat bytch suffocates you in your sleep.

It ain't about "real hippity hop" shyt, top 5 lyricists is the conversation and Ross, Cole, Kendrick or Gibbs really shouldn't be in it, especially not ahead of 5'9, PERIOD.
 

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I hope a fat bytch suffocates you in your sleep.

It ain't about "real hippity hop" shyt, top 5 lyricists is the conversation and Ross, Cole, Kendrick or Gibbs really shouldn't be in it, especially not ahead of 5'9, PERIOD.
First off: :stopitslime:

Secondly: Royce stopped being some standard of lyricism around the time Slaughterhouse was a thing....that nikkas been washed
 

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1. fukk that fruad.

2. The thread title is specifically talking about top 5 LYRICISTS. If I throw names like Lupe Fiasco or Elzhi out there are you telling me Ross is getting thrown in that mix before somebody like Royce?

How much you like his projects is whatever, he ain't of that ilk.

It ain't even about discrediting people for liking his music, it's about staying the fukk on topic.
i dont agree with ross being a better lyricist than royce but i replied to you since you seemed surprised that people think ross puts out better projects than royce.
 
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