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With the exception of the highlighted, I agree completely.

Better start agreeing with the highlighted too. The fed isn't going anywhere. Even if the fed is nominally disollved and another central bank replaces it, central banking isn't going anywhere.

More oversight and disclosure requirements? That's whatever. But "end the fed" is not a winning platform. And it won't be in the future.
 

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Better start agreeing with the highlighted too. The fed isn't going anywhere. Even if the fed is nominally disollved and another central bank replaces it, central banking isn't going anywhere.

More oversight and disclosure requirements? That's whatever. But "end the fed" is not a winning platform. And it won't be in the future.
Maybe, but every platform has 1-2 shaky initiatives...
It'll be interesting to see(I'm dreaming here mind you) how Democrats handle a party to the left of them on many issues.
 

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Maybe, but every platform has 1-2 shaky initiatives...
It'll be interesting to see(I'm dreaming here mind you) how Democrats handle a party to the left of them on many issues.
Probably similar to how the Republican Party is dealing (unsuccessfully) with the Tea Party.
 

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The "Republican ties" you're talking about will become less important as the religious right ages and dies. Libertarians will then take over the mainstream right because the right wing old south money will be replaced by Silicon Valley libertarians who want deregulation and computer privacy.

http://valleywag.gawker.com/silicon-valley-named-13th-best-conservative-city-in-ame-1458838034



I'm not saying this will happen overnight. In fact, I may be in middle-age when this comes to fruition. But it's something I could see happening. And again, libertarians will have have to drop the gold standard and "end the fed" bullshyt by this time.

Libertarianism is more liberal than Democratism, yet Libertarianism belongs on the right? Are we essentially saying that the left is for poor people interests and the right is for rich people interests? Maybe I misunderstood what the left and right really meant since "liberals" and "conservatives" are thrown around as synonyms a bit incorrectly.
 
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Libertarianism is more liberal than Democratism, yet Libertarianism belongs on the right? Are we essentially saying that the left is for poor people interests and the right is for rich people interests? Maybe I misunderstood what the left and right really meant since "liberals" and "conservatives" are thrown around as synonyms a bit incorrectly.
Its a firm belief in small govt. that puts libertarians on the right, everything else is to the left of democrats.
 

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Libertarianism is more liberal than Democratism, yet Libertarianism belongs on the right? Are we essentially saying that the left is for poor people interests and the right is for rich people interests? Maybe I misunderstood what the left and right really meant since "liberals" and "conservatives" are thrown around as synonyms a bit incorrectly.

No.

On the American political spectrum, left = more federal government control/less state government control. Right = less federal government control/more state and local control.
 

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Its a firm belief in small govt. that puts libertarians on the right, everything else is to the left of democrats.

No.

On the American political spectrum, left = more federal government control/less state government control. Right = less federal government control/more state and local control.
My point was oversimplified, but it stands to reason. Rich people don't want large federal government because that means more taxes. Poor people want large federal government so they can get more assistance.
 

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My point was oversimplified, but it stands to reason. Rich people don't want large federal government because that means more taxes. Poor people want large federal government so they can get more assistance.
Not true, under large govt. rich people have become richer than ever before.
... and I wouldnt say poor people "want more assistance" , I thinks its more opportunity the seek. I could be wrong though.
 

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Not true, under large govt. rich people have become richer than ever before.
... and I wouldnt say poor people "want more assistance" , I thinks its more opportunity the seek. I could be wrong though.
That is true. Fascism=corporatism. That exists everywhere, both parties. But by and large, citizens in America are not big wigs in corporations. So to the average citizen, the right gives you the tax breaks you want, and the left gives you the socialism you want. Simplification for sure.
 

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My point was oversimplified, but it stands to reason. Rich people don't want large federal government because that means more taxes. Poor people want large federal government so they can get more assistance.

That's one way to look at it. But given poor white america's support for small government, that doesn't really hold up. A better way to look at it is that the left and right differ in their opinions on who the "rich people," or more precisely, the disproportionately empowered people are and where that power comes from.
 

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That's one way to look at it. But given poor white america's support for small government, that doesn't really hold up. A better way to look at it is that the left and right differ in their opinions on who the "rich people," or more precisely, the disproportionately empowered people are and where that power comes from.
I don't think people are confused about who is rich.

I'd rather fall back on @DEAD7 's definition because the evidence shows that rural = right wing and urban = left wing. There are voting maps that show this very clearly. Rural people naturally want local government because they feel they're more independent livers and want to keep city slickers, corporations, and politicians out of it. Urban people want a larger federal government to guarantee solutions to those social problems that get so much more complex in dense populations. Meanwhile, the rural folks say "you're fukking idiots" and "lay in the bed you made" (without realizing how much the industrial, medical, and technological revolutions have brought them), and the urban folks say "hey a$$hole, quit being so selfish" and "we didn't make this fukking bed" (while sometimes not taking enough responsibility).
 

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That's one way to look at it. But given poor white america's support for small government, that doesn't really hold up. A better way to look at it is that the left and right differ in their opinions on who the "rich people," or more precisely, the disproportionately empowered people are and where that power comes from.
that's only because they've been sold a pig in a poke
the small gov casuistry trojan horse has been framed as reversing racism against whites and stopping the black hordes from taking all their money as welfare

this narrative after years of application works and makes for gems like the clip below:
this is a prime example of the type of cognitive dissonance we are dealing with here



that shyt leaves my mouth hanging no matter how many times I see it :dwillhuh::sweetjeezus::dwillhuh:
 
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