Trump needs to hit her hard on Libya. Also, Obama did regret it, so Trump could make a HUGE argument there. I love how the Democratic Party is self-ethering itself 
Cutlery for the Fukkery: The Official #TrumpSet vs #HillTron General Election Thread
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Hate to break it to you but both parties are for more government. Obama's expansion of the Patriot Act certainly wasn't in interest of less government.
King Kreole
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I agree, his off the cuff remarks like that Curiel thing are what could sink him. But he has the ability to beat her on merit, he just has to run a smart and focused campaign. That facebook pic he just posted of Obama dissing Hillary is the right message for him. He needs to widen the existing wedge on the democratic side, make Obama look hypocritical. There are a wealth of videos and quotes from Hillary's surrogates taking her to task. If I were Trump, I'd start circulating this video:
He's already making an appeal to Bernie's supporters, and highlighting the natural rift between Obama and Clinton. The Democratic coalition is more fractured than media is letting on. There are a lot of weary, lost voters right now on the left. They might end up going to Clinton if Trump keeps on upping the ante with his crass statements, but if he can calm it down, and focus on Hillary's history, he can depress turnout and might have a shot. Trump's winning message isn't "vote for me" it's "don't vote for her".
The limited polling so far suggests the Libertarian ticket is taking about even support right now from both sides but looking at demographics sees more crossover between Trump and Johnson supporters and when you look at states the Libertarian vote could impact it favors Clinton, deep red states like Utah and Georgia are suddenly viable and potential swing states like Florida, Ohio, Virginia, NC tend to have more right leaning Libertarians than places like Washington, Oregon, California who are significant in numbers and swing left but won't alter their states result
Completely wrong, because you can go back and forth with that all day long with everybody. Did you miss him making her Secretary of State? Miss his endorsement today? Miss that he's going to go out and campaign for her? Again, current stuff.
Take Trump:
"I know Hillary and I think she'd make a great president or vice-president.," Trump wrote. That was in 2008. So should we take that or what he's saying currently?
None of this is talking about issues, it's sandbox type stuff. This is all he is known for. You just posted video from 2004, why not video from today, her endorsement of Hillary? It's 2016, things change.
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King Kreole
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That's the point. The lower the turnout, the higher the chance Republicans win. When people abandon the political process out of disgust, Trump wins. He's a brawler, built for the gutter. His supporters are more loyal than Hillary's supporters. A back and forth highlighting how shytty they both are is a winning formula for Trump.
Trump and Hillary are not on equal ground. She's coming in as the favourite and presumptive nominee, he just spent the past year destroying all political norms and customs. He's coming from the bottom, she's coming from the top. No one expects him to be polished, but they expect it from Hillary. Trump is much more suited to weather a shyt storm election.
Except, he was already losing to her when it was him and Sanders against her. And his losing is just going get worse. Because the wheel is starting to turn on him. He's probably inspired even more against him with the stuff he's said. Remember reading about how many latinos are registering for the first time to vote against Trump in Cali. Even inspired people who were against Hillary, like Warren, to get with Hillary. Doesn't have the demographics, the Electoral College isn't looking good for him.
There is no doubt he will lose. At this point I'm just curious to see by how much. I'm also going to enjoy the debates. He's going to get destroyed.
King Kreole
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Yeah, I think his plan was sound, he just went a bit too far. He needs to hope it's not too late to tone down and refocus. Trump-hate might have reached critical mass, but there's like 4 months till election day, that's a lot of time to reshape the narrative.
You're underestimating how dirty Hillary can get. She has the gulliest surrogates in the game that play the spin game like masters.
Her campaign was able to take by most measures the most liberal politician in Washington and turn his campaign into a bunch of violent bros who have sexist tendencies. She also has the media locked up to repeat her narratives.
King Kreole
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Hillary is an animal, but behinds the scenes like a mobster. Trump will scrap in public. Her surrogates will come out and do battle for her, but she's been in the game so long that each of them have at one point publicly dissed her. But for as long as she's been in the game, she's never seen somebody like Trump before. None of us have. Her team is still getting their feet under them, and their opening salvos have been somewhat lackluster. I trust they'll find their angle tho.
Another thing is, Hillary is more susceptible to dirt than Trump. Trump's brand is a capitalist businessman, people expect him to have some dirt. Hillary is a career politician, she's supposed to be above reproach. But styles make fights, and this has the potential to be a good one.
at these gullible sheep who says that Hillary has no chance of losing. Dukakis had a 17 point lead in the Summer over Bush in 88'. Bush had his comeback when he picked a good VP. Michael was just that horrible of a candidate. Then, he started to slip in the polls. The Democratic Party is so fractured and there's a lot of people pissed too. If Trump really ethers her on trade it's detrimental.
Not sure what that has to do with anything. Hillary has Trump as an opponent. Probably the easiest opponent in awhile. Also, Dukakis didn't campaign the whole time after he got the nod and didn't respond on time against Bush. Hillary has a machine behind her.
Can I get on record, for those who support Trump, those who feel he'll do good in the debates. I'm going to go ahead and tell you the excuse he'll use when he loses. I'm not a politician, this is the first time I'm doing this etc. What other excuses do you think he'll lose. Help him out. There's always the blame the media. I don't think I've seen such whiny Republicans in all my life. Crying about everything, making excuses all day long. Really soft nowadays, I think Hillary is tougher than all of them.
These debates will be record breaking TV. Can't wait. I don't think he'll be able to keep his composure, I think there will be a lot of issues he just doesn't know anything about. Won't be a good look for him or good night for Trumpset.
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True, when she gets in the dirt herself she fails hard (tying Bernie to the opposition of the auto bailout, tying Vermont's guns to New York crime rates, saying Obama might get shot before election) but that's why I said her people will take care of that for her. They're going to play the racist card hard and rightfully so but also paint him as an evil villain straight out of work of fiction.
The interesting thing people forget is that the general population doesn't really pay attention to these races till the conventions. No matter how much press all of the primaries have received it will pale in comparison to when people have to vote for president. By August people might not even know he called a judge unfit because he's Mexican. If Trump plays to his perceived strengths on the economy and being an outsider he could grasp a swath of independents who would just be waking up to what's going on at the right time. Problem is he still has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to policy and a wonk like Hillary could make him look foolish if she doesn't fall for his attacks.
