Cuphead and the Racist Spectre of Fleischer Animation

[daze23]

this dude @PS4 always man

i know in his head what he's saying makes perfect sense too

he just feels the need to blindly defend his 'Xbox Exclusive'. similar to how @Grand Conde saw this as an opportunity to tell people they shouldn't support this game

shyt's just retarded how you can't talk about anything here without having to deal with this stannery

 

[42 Monks]

30s animation IS "white history" it was media created by and for white folks. When black people were involved it was only to appropriate our art and demonize our lives.

That's the history of the art style used in the game.

Straight up.

You can't get around this. Even the minority involvement that came later on was extremely minimal and was purely legwork, not some artistic input or anything. Later on? Sure. But that's an entirely different era of animation.

 

[PS5 Pro]

try to have a serious conversation on the coli brehs

Serious conversations happen all the time until someone disagrees

this dude @PS4 always man

i know in his head what he's saying makes perfect sense too

How about instead of writing nothing, why not use the forum to discuss a variety of topics you will learn if you do, but it requires you to think. If thinking or reading upsets you then why are you at a place that requires you to do both

Are you an employee at unwinnable.com?
Now unless you wanna agree with the article and call it a day, or not. Who the fukk do you think you are to act like I can't have a different opinion? Be involved or get the fukk outta here

30s animation IS "white history" it was media created by and for white folks. When black people were involved it was only to appropriate our art and demonize our lives.

That's the history of the art style used in the game.

Now you moving goalposts. I've said repeatedly nobody is denying how some white people felt. But you're now saying all 30'a cartoon art is racist which is flat out not true. If someone from that time period drew racist characters that doesn't make the entire time period and every cartoon of that era racist. Let's reestablish that for a sec. The thought process you keep repeating is not black thought, It's white supremacist thought, I don't see a casino and think "devil nikkaz" but I would associate the devil with the addiction of gambling.

You wanna make it a Black thing because some racist view it that way, that's where you are fukking up, where you are adopting white supremacist thought. The alt right want you and the people that hate you to think big band/jazz music/etc as devil nikka shyt. It's not tho, please, wake up :fishburn:

False equivalence. For one the 90s isn't considered distant history just yet. We all know who Rodney king is and we are still living the police brutality that surrounds his story.

We all know what jazz music and big band music is as well, it wasn't "nikka hating music" and racism still exist today. So why do you feel the need for a history lesson in Cuphead

But if a dev was to make a game set in 90s LA, they should damn well touch on how racism created the conditions for the drug/gangs/violence epidemic that was going on at the time.

Like GTA did

And no, once again you moving goalposts for each point you trying to make. We not talking 90'a L.A. (and everything that did happen in L.A. in the 90's doesn't have to be related to gangs. What kind of racist shyt you on bruh, we all gang bangers now?) We talking Cuphead which isn't real, it's fantasy using graphic techniques used by ALL animators back in the 1930's. They don't owe anyone a history lesson on race relations in 1930's America, really, REALLY BRUH

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[42 Monks]

I wrote nothing in here now this is what I mean breh

 

[PS5 Pro]

he just feels the need to blindly defend his 'Xbox Exclusive'. similar to how @Grand Conde saw this as an opportunity to tell people they shouldn't support this game

shyt's just retarded how you can't talk about anything here without having to deal with this stannery

You know what's odd, is you guys do more talking for other people than you do yourselves.

I have spoken very clear on this, and it has nothing to do with the bullshyt you just said. I am above all of you when it comes to the console war because I never played that game. I play you guys You think I care for Xbox so much that you ignore truth when it is spoken, that's your fault

You was 100% correct on grand conde tho, he was just joking. Some posters wouldn't be able to decipher that. But let it be the other way around, anything anti Sony and only a handful of posters can decipher.

So I agree, it is retarded we can't have a convo. They seem to fall apart once a person doesn't agree. Maybe if y'all get rid of everyone that had a different opinion, then maybe y'all could really have a conversation that is worthy of the title "neogaf jrz"

Straight up.

You can't get around this. Even the minority involvement that came later on was extremely minimal and was purely legwork, not some artistic input or anything. Later on? Sure. But that's an entirely different era of animation.

It's true black people was oppressed back then. And I'm cartoons, well, you ever watch the most racist cartoons ever made? They so over the top with it it's hilarious. Not in a to be celebrated way just saying. Does that make any cartoon from the 30's racist, no Does that make any company that made cartoons then racist? No again?

So if your only point is racism existed and black people was not drawn without stereotypes..ok. They drew nikkaz with big lips wearing overalls taking naps in a place called "lazy town" the didn't have to censor any of that. So you guys trying to make gambling and the devil be a Black thing so Cuphead is somewhat racist is more than just a stretch. Its the thought process of the oppressors

Now if you guys can't handle the conversation then use an exit. Otherwise, let's engage in an actual conversation instead of openly being a fakkit on the sidelines

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Serious conversations happen all the time until someone disagrees

How about instead of writing nothing, why not use the forum to discuss a variety of topics you will learn if you do, but it requires you to think. If thinking or reading upsets you then why are you at a place that requires you to do both

Are you an employee at unwinnable.com?
Now unless you wanna agree with the article and call it a day, or not. Who the fukk do you think you are to act like I can't have a different opinion? Be involved or get the fukk outta here

Now you moving goalposts. I've said repeatedly nobody is denying how some white people felt. But you're now saying all 30'a cartoon art is racist which is flat out not true. If someone from that time period drew racist characters that doesn't make the entire time period and every cartoon of that era racist. Let's reestablish that for a sec. The thought process you keep repeating is not black thought, It's white supremacist thought, I don't see a casino and think "devil nikkaz" but I would associate the devil with the addiction of gambling.

You wanna make it a Black thing because some racist view it that way, that's where you are fukking up, where you are adopting white supremacist thought. The alt right want you and the people that hate you to think big band/jazz music/etc as devil nikka shyt. It's not tho, please, wake up :fishburn:

We all know what jazz music and big band music is as well, it wasn't "nikka hating music" and racism still exist today. So why do you feel the need for a history lesson in Cuphead

Like GTA did

And no, once again you moving goalposts for each point you trying to make. We not talking 90'a L.A. (and everything that did happen in L.A. in the 90's doesn't have to be related to gangs. What kind of racist shyt you on bruh, we all gang bangers now?) We talking Cuphead which isn't real, it's fantasy using graphic techniques used by ALL animators back in the 1930's. They don't owe anyone a history lesson on race relations in 1930's America, really, REALLY BRUH

Do you get angry whenever steamboat Mickey comes on?

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Sound like a cac to defend Xbox brehs

 

[42 Monks]

I don't think you know enough about the topic to really be telling people that they need to take a hike if they don't agree with you. like.... ok good for you? lol

the entire remark "were all cartoons in the 30s racist? no" is by itself wildly disingenuous - especially coupled with your reference to the big lips and devil imagery. its not that overt, especially regarding how the article glossed over the numerous other examples of marginalization within the game

from the pig salesmen to the ....well, there's an angry woman of the night that literally changes shape and form as she grows further antagonized lol. everything about this art style picks at something, and its not always the overt "look at this foolish negro, ha ha" stuff either. even at its most subtle form, there's groups being dissected and laughed at. that's the art style itself

 

[PS5 Pro]

Sound like a cac to defend Xbox brehs

You are indoctrinated in white thought my brotha, and don't you think for one second you not. We all was born into it, You are failing to recognize your entire thought process was crafted for your people before you existed. Why do you think we fail the doll test til this day.

They taught you via Jedi mind trickery to hate yourself and anything that remotely resembles it. Black Jesus? Get em outta here Madea? Why he's making black people look bad Cuphead? They got characters doing things my great great grand daddy would have associated with black people, why do you subscribe to that way of thinking tho

I don't think you know enough about the topic to really be telling people that they need to take a hike if they don't agree with you. like.... ok good for you? lol

the entire remark "were all cartoons in the 30s racist? no" is by itself wildly disingenuous - especially coupled with your reference to the big lips and devil imagery. its not that overt, especially regarding how the article glossed over the numerous other examples of marginalization within the game

from the pig salesmen to the ....well, there's an angry woman of the night that literally changes shape and form as she grows further antagonized lol. everything about this art style picks at something, and its not always the overt "look at this foolish negro, ha ha" stuff either. even at its most subtle form, there's groups being dissected and laughed at. that's the art style itself

Or maybe when a people or indoctrinated and oppressed that they hate to see anything that resembles themselves. White people don't look at us as gamblers, is that really a thing? But do black people in say a hood setting like to gamble (uh yes) so if you recognize that then does it touch a nerve? It shouldn't, if it does its not cupheads fault, it's not Cuphead burden either

And sir, you are for the most part incorrect about subtle racism. It was extremely overt back then, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about so let me school you with this...



And let's never bring up Jay z because he's been pro c00nery for over a decade.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

ANY sort of reference to the racism/stereotypes associated with the animation of the time, no matter how well-intentioned or "educational", would have sparked ten times the amount of articles and thinkpieces condemning it. It would have been a massive mistake, both artistically and commercially, would have placated nobody and only served to brand their game with the unofficial toxic label of "that racist game."

So the creators are damned if they do, damned if they don't. They chose the option that was by far the more tactful, more respectful choice, and yet this article was still churned out. The implication is that the idea for Cuphead itself is too problematic, and therefore one of the best examples of video games as art, shouldn't exist.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

ANY sort of reference to the racism/stereotypes associated with the animation of the time, no matter how well-intentioned or "educational", would have sparked ten times the amount of articles and thinkpieces condemning it. It would have been a massive mistake, both artistically and commercially, would have placated nobody and only served to brand their game with the unofficial toxic label of "that racist game."

Nobody said the game should have the racist imagery

So the creators are damned if they do, damned if they don't. They chose the option that was by far the more tactful, more respectful choice, and yet this article was still churned out. The implication is that the idea for Cuphead itself is too problematic, and therefore one of the best examples of video games as art, shouldn't exist.

No that's not the implication.


Be a CAC brehs

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

fukk....I love the game but.....fukk I hate the internet with truth bombs interfering into my games

 

[PS5 Pro]

Nobody said the game should have the racist imagery

No that's not the implication.


Be a CAC brehs

You need to articulate yourself a little better because that's how your replies read

Let me put this out there and this goes for everyone [well, everyone who is black]

I've mentioned the doll test, if you are aware of the doll test You are doing yourself and your race a disservice if that is where your thought process ends

Don't just acknowledge it exist then keep it moving, there is a reason it exist TODAY. And that reason is directly related to this threads debate imo. I don't mind if you disagree, I mind if you refuse to hear me out because you disagree

 

[homiedontplaydat]

Cachead

 

[Unknown Poster]

I've been saying this IRL to some of my friend's that's why I had to do a double take with this shyt.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

You need to articulate yourself a little better because that's how your replies read

Let me put this out there and this goes for everyone [well, everyone who is black]

I've mentioned the doll test, if you are aware of the doll test You are doing yourself and your race a disservice if that is where your thought process ends

Don't just acknowledge it exist then keep it moving, there is a reason it exist TODAY. And that reason is directly related to this threads debate imo. I don't mind if you disagree, I mind if you refuse to hear me out because you disagree

Not my fault you mufukkas can't read