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Cuomo Declares a State of Emergency for NYC Subways: Update 7/26 - MTA submits 2 phase $9bil plan
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no one knows how to shamelessly rape middle class taxpayers like a democrat supermajority
no one knows how to shamelessly rape middle class taxpayers like a democrat supermajority
you have an alternative proposal to reducing congestion?
Stop making the avenues narrower - 8th Avenue by Times Square is two lanes when it was 8 -
Dedicate some cross streets as bikes only and stop trying to cram bike lanes parking and bus lanes and street dining all on one avenue or boulevard.
But let's be real - the Bloomberg administration admitted way back that they were intentionally designing the street to make traffic move slow so that they could implement this as a solution becuase he wanted another revenue source for the city .
Let's not act like this is about clean air or safer streets- the city needs money and the state needs .only- the MTA has to earn a Billion dollars in order to keep this program which is an odd goal if your goal is to reduce traffic...
Why?
because if you have less cars that don't decide to go into the CBD then how can you meet that target of earning 1B ? ....except of course by raising the fare of the congestion toll ....
And mind you there's no additional accounting or audi auditing goal the MTA has to meet to account for the 100s of millions it has wasted on its capital projects in the last 10 years ...
2nd Ave cost 10B to make 3 or 4 stops that took 8 yrs to build ...
Saying that they NEED congestion pricing to improve on what they are spending ( wasting ) is like saying you need to make more holes in your boat to let water out to solve the problem of a hole in your boat
more lanes doesn't reduce congestion tho.
The "fundamental rule" of traffic: building new roads just makes people drive more
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The Science Is Clear: More Highways Equals More Traffic. Why Are DOTs Still Ignoring It? — Streetsblog USA
Numerous studies have documented the phenomenon known as induced demand in transportation: Basically, if you build highway lanes, more drivers will come. And yet, transportation agencies rarely account for this effect when planning road projects.
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What's Up With That: Building Bigger Roads Actually Makes Traffic Worse
The concept is called induced demand, which is economist-speak for when increasing the supply of something (like roads) makes people want that thing even more. Though some traffic engineers made note of this phenomenon at least as early as the 1960s, it is only in recent years that social...
Bike lanes have actually sped up car traffic in New York City
Bike lanes have actually sped up car traffic in New York City
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What happened to car traffic when bike lanes went in
The study looked at traffic speeds for three different stretches of avenue with protected bike lanes built either in 2010 or 2011: 1st Ave. between 14th and 34th streets, 8th Ave. between 23rd and 34th streets, and Columbus Ave. between 77th and 96th streets.
On 8th Ave., on average, it took cars 14 percent less time to cover the 11 blocks after the bike lanes were installed. On Columbus, average travel times during rush hour dropped 35 percent.
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On 1st Ave., the report used average taxi speeds as a proxy for traffic, and there was a very slight increase in congestion: their speeds went down, from a little over 13 miles per hour to a bit over 12.
The report also looked at average taxi speeds for the entire Manhattan Central Business District (an area that includes all of Manhattan up to 86th Street). On the whole, motor vehicle speeds have remained pretty much the same since 2007 — a period during which bike lanes have been installed on these three avenues and several others. It seems that the widespread creation of bike lanes certainly isn't slowing down traffic in Manhattan, and at least in a few isolated cases, is actually speeding it up.
what percentage of people who ride bikes would choose to ride their car or a cab if they didn't have a bike lane to travel in? do you think their additional presence would improve congestion if they travelled by car instead?
Why It Costs So Much to Build Our Subways
An NYU study finds that most of the overspending isn’t where you think it is.
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they should audit the MTA though.
I dig the academic but the practical contrasts and contradicts that greatly ive lived in downtown BK and Manhattan and I'm currently in the BX - bike lanes havnt made midtown faster at all - and yes maybe as an aggregate if you include something like the highways and parkway it doesn't seem that widening the roadway makes traffic faster but the reasons why widening a parkway or highway isn't making it faster are vastly different than why a street or avenue in the city are slower .more lanes doesn't reduce congestion tho.
The "fundamental rule" of traffic: building new roads just makes people drive more
Vox is a general interest news site for the 21st century. Its mission: to help everyone understand our complicated world, so that we can all help shape it. In text, video and audio, our reporters explain politics, policy, world affairs, technology, culture, science, the climate crisis, money...
The Science Is Clear: More Highways Equals More Traffic. Why Are DOTs Still Ignoring It? — Streetsblog USA
Numerous studies have documented the phenomenon known as induced demand in transportation: Basically, if you build highway lanes, more drivers will come. And yet, transportation agencies rarely account for this effect when planning road projects.
What's Up With That: Building Bigger Roads Actually Makes Traffic Worse
The concept is called induced demand, which is economist-speak for when increasing the supply of something (like roads) makes people want that thing even more. Though some traffic engineers made note of this phenomenon at least as early as the 1960s, it is only in recent years that social...www.wired.com
Bike lanes have actually sped up car traffic in New York City
Bike lanes have actually sped up car traffic in New York City
Vox is a general interest news site for the 21st century. Its mission: to help everyone understand our complicated world, so that we can all help shape it. In text, video and audio, our reporters explain politics, policy, world affairs, technology, culture, science, the climate crisis, money...
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what percentage of people who ride bikes would choose to ride their car or a cab if they didn't have a bike lane to travel in? do you think their additional presence would improve congestion if they travelled by car instead?
Why It Costs So Much to Build Our Subways
An NYU study finds that most of the overspending isn’t where you think it is.
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they should audit the MTA though.
Again - the last two adninistrations previous to adams have stated purposefully made road conditions such that traffic is forced to be slower - so if traffic is forced to be slow you of course will have congestion
If they removed the things to make traffic slow and then traffic was terrible it would make sense to then take measures to control congestion - but thats not the case
The city and by the city I mean the DOT and the last two adnin made a policy to create a problem that they already had a solution they wanted to implement
Again the idea that somehow the CBD having less traffic will somehow make the air better there when its for sure it will.make the air much worse North of 60th St or in Brooklyn or the south bronx just seems ludicrous- becuaee those places have as much traffic and bad air as the CBD
and of course to be perfectly plain - the publications you are citing have a particular philosophy and narrative they want to promote - no diff than FOX or rightleaning propaganda outlets like the CATO institute etc. VOX and Streetsblog both definitely have an agenda to advance and its not a really good bolster to the argument to accept their conclusions as unbiased ...
They are VERY biased.
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ok those publications are biased, what about the demonstrable studies done in other cities around the world thats implemented similar policies, nyc isn't a pioneer in this at least on the world stage.
Well in the UK when they tried it in London the traffic is still effed there...
In Paris and Barcelona those are completely different cities than NYC they're not even PHYSICALLY constructed remotely like New York City- and in all 3 of those places i don't remember reading anything about an improvement in air quality since they restricted automobiles from certain sections of the city.
Again my overall point has been one if this was truly about making less congestion in the city you're not gonna do it with imposing a fee since nobody's driving in lower Manhattan just to drive
There's not one of those studies that truly counts the number of people that are driving in as a commuters or what percentage of those commuters That would be discouraged by this tool how that would actually alleviate congestion. Would there be 10000 cars less on the road? 30?
If it's 30000 cars less which I doubt how was how is that really an in fact if there's over 500k cars moving in and out of Manhattan during the time that they want to charge the congestion fee thats not really going to do anything at all
That gets to my second point which is almost 3/4 or even being conservative half of the vehicles that are driving around causing traffic are for hire vehicles UBER Lyft etc- But they're paying a lower fee being charged only once in a day when they're going to be making multiple trips into the city into the zone....again if its about congestion then charge the thing thats causing the most congestion which is taxis and Uber cruising for fares.
And again it hasn't addressed my overall point that if the purpose is to make traffic move faster Then revoke the things that were done to make traffic slower on purpose because I'm very sure those things would alleviate some of the congestion were they rescinded
And lastly I disagree with the notion that the air quality will somehow improve because you don't allow traffic in 20 square blocks or 60 square blocks of lower Manhattan when New York is square miles!
There's traffic congestion in other areas of the city that effect air quality. In fa the the places where air quality impacts the most on peoples health are the places that are miles away from the CBD and in areas where the traffic is forecasted to increase becuase of the Toll.
to put it bluntly The air quality of the city improved during COVID because everywhere in the city people weren't driving in all areas , not just lower Manhattan.
And that's not even considering the impact that this will have on the surrounding areas in New Jersey and in the North in places like Yonkers or out East in places like Nassau.
Lastly this toll is supposed to raise a billion dollars it's in fact mandated that it has to in order for it to exist ....so if it doesn't happen then what?
If the pricing doesn't affect congestion then what?
If air quality doesn't improve then what??
If congestion pricing doesn't accomplish what it was established to do are they going to.stop it ? Becuase the answer to THAT question is what really proves if this is about "traffic" and "health" and not exactly what I people like me and others have said this is ...
Ots a money grab to fleece middle class people for more cash that they can't get if they decided to raise taxes .
so are you
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MTA pushes first overhaul of Queens bus routes since 1950s
The borough’s current bus map is drawn along old trolley routes that were discontinued more than 60 years ago.
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Carmageddon: Car traffic into NYC hits new high, MTA says
Car and truck traffic crossing bridges and tunnels into New York City reached an all-time high of 335 million vehicles, according to the MTA.
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Carmageddon: Car traffic into NYC hits new high, MTA says
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The number of vehicles entering New York City through tolled bridges and tunnels hit an all-time high this year at 335 million expected vehicular crossings, according to the MTA.
This comes as public transportation ridership fell during the pandemic and has not yet fully recovered, with subway and Long Island Rail Road ridership hovering around three-quarters of pre-pandemic levels and buses around two-thirds, according to the MTA. The Metro-North Railroad, which has fewer riders overall, regained pre-pandemic ridership in early 2023.
In an email announcing the record, the MTA noted operating efficiencies leading to “greater traffic throughout, road safety, and customer experience, notably through one of its biggest transformations with the installation of Open Road Tolling.”
The agency also said cashless tolling increased daily traffic 7% while also reducing collisions.
Advocates for safer streets cast a dour view on the milestone.
“New York City already has the worst traffic in the nation and these numbers just suggest it's getting worse and we need to give more options to New Yorkers,” said Danny Harris, executive director of Transportation Alternatives.
MTA data shows bridge and tunnel crossings have climbed steadily over the years since the first tolls in 1937, when 19 million cars entered the city. There have been only a handful of periods of decreased traffic, notably around recessions and wars.
The 2020 pandemic signaled one of the sharpest drops in the number of vehicles entering the city, but traffic quickly rebounded in the summer of 2021 and regularly hits daily traffic counts higher than before the pandemic.
But advocates see ridership on public transit ridership returning, just slowly and not in the same way as before the pandemic.
“People are traveling not just when they have to, but when they want to,” said Lisa Daglian, executive director of the Permanent Citizens Advisory Committee to the MTA.
Daglian said MTA data shows more people are buying single-ride LIRR tickets and fewer are buying monthly passes that they might use to commute to work. She said the MTA is constantly breaking post-pandemic ridership records.
“It may be a beautiful day and people want to go out. It may be a day where there's a great concert, maybe SantaCon,” she said. “It's not a 9-to-5 world anymore and our travel patterns show that.”
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The vast majority of the middle class in NY do not use cars to go to Manhattan unless it’s after 6 pm.
Congestion pricing is a very good policy that makes rich people who spend $700 a month on parking spots in Manhattan give money to the city.
Also the low income people who would drive through the city are getting a discount.
Overall most of the cars in the parking lots in Manhattan have NJ, CT plates and the majority of the NY plates belong to suburban New Yorkers and Staten Island people. Which are mostly upper class people
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Dedicate streets to bikes? There would be an outcry for that also.
Also if MTA wants to save money on building subways maybe they should use alternative ideas and build more elevated lines which are significantly less?
We do not necessarily have to keep digging tunnels for everything.
avenues should be more narrow because narrower roads help to reduce speed. The speed cameras in NY are a corrupt cash grab when all they had to do was calm the streets.
Dedicate streets to bikes? There would be an outcry for that also.
Also if MTA wants to save money on building subways maybe they should use alternative ideas and build more elevated lines which are significantly less?
We do not necessarily have to keep digging tunnels for everything.
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Also NYC needs to work on getting parked cars out of commercial streets entirely. By doing this there would be less double parking and silly UPS and Amazon trucks blocking streets. We could also take those parking spaces and turn them into bus lanes.
The B44 select bus was so successful it single handily made me never want to take the subway again. havent used the B46 Select bus service yet but it has similar lanes.
NYC should implement more of those municipal parking lots (make them underground) or replace pointless buildings in commercial districts and have people use that instead of parking on the street or double parking.
The B44 select bus was so successful it single handily made me never want to take the subway again. havent used the B46 Select bus service yet but it has similar lanes.
NYC should implement more of those municipal parking lots (make them underground) or replace pointless buildings in commercial districts and have people use that instead of parking on the street or double parking.
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Everytime I read on London’s congestion pricing it’s always noted that it was a success
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MTA clocks seasonal high in subway ridership, hoping trend continues
Ridership clocked in at 4 million people on Tuesday and again on Thursday – squarely in the middle of MTA projections.
The MTA needs to build a new subway on northern Blvd to lower capacity on the 7 line.
Also needs to extend the the 3 line down Utica Avenue to kings plaza because Utica Avenue is about to get rezoned for a lot of housing.
Both plans should be elevated subways