Crypto CEO Accidentally Describes Ponzi Scheme--UPDATE--Bankman-Fried arrested in the Bahamas on money laundering and fraud charges.

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It has no future outside of being a gambling token. Widescale adoption will never occur.

even if that's all you think it is, as of right now after the huge crash, it's still up like 43, 000% from 10 years ago. and it's made higher highs and higher lows every cycle with more and more retail and institutional investors jumping in each time. what makes you think that's gonna change?
 

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FTX Confirms $9 Billion in Customer Funds Vanished​

According to a presentation to customers, ex-FTX CEO Sam Bankman-Fried allegedly let Alameda borrow $9.3 billion from customer accounts.​

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Kyle Barr

Published Yesterday

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FTX Founder Sam Bankman-Fried is currently facing 12 federal charges alongside other investigations into him funneling customer funds to hedge fund Alameda Research.Photo: Spencer Platt (Getty Images)

The folks handling the ongoing FTX bankruptcy admitted Thursday it is still on the hook for around $9 billion in customer funds that it simply cannot locate under the morass of financials left over from the exchange’s collapse.

In a presentation titled Preliminary Analysis of Shortfalls at FTX.com, the company said it has finally inventoried all the wallets associated with FTX.com where it said there is a “massive shortfall” since it has only been able to identify just under $2.2 billion in customer assets, but of that only $694 million is considered actual liquid currencies. Compare that to the $11.2 billion in outstanding funds that were locked to customer accounts, and you’re left with around $9 billion still lost to the machinations of FTX’s former bosses.

The presentation implies much of this stemmed from ex-FTX CEO Sam Bankman-Fried’s alleged scheme to move customer funds from FTX to his hedge fund Alameda Research. The presentation showed that Alameda borrowed a net $9.3 billion from FTX.com wallets and accounts, though it remains unclear just how much of the shortfall is related to missing customer funds. The Securities and Exchange Commission had previously claimed Alameda had more than $8 billion of FTX customer funds tied up in its own accounts.

These numbers are based on the price of crypto from when the company declared bankruptcy back in November, but it’s also the first time the bankrupt exchange has admitted just how much in outstanding funds it’s dealing with. Of those $2.2 billion the company was able to recover, just $880 million are “liquid assets,” which are related to dollars, stablecoins, or other major crypto currencies. The $1.5 billion in other “illiquid” assets are items like the FTT token. In the end, the company has an outstanding deficit of billions of dollars in multiple tokens, including bitcoin, ethereum, as well as smaller amounts of leftover money in coins like FTX’s native token FTT.

Court documents filed by a law firm working for FTX back in January showed that it had located $5.5 billion in assets in customer accounts and in other parts of the company, both in crypto and cash. The lawyers argued that those digital currencies should be easily transformed into cash assets, but it remains unclear how much of those identified funds have been accounted for in this recent presentation.

John J. Ray III, the man leading the exchange through its Chapter 11 bankruptcy proceedings, said in a release the information is still preliminary, but that FTX’s books are full of holes “and, in many cases, totally absent.” Ray has been very open about just how insane things had gotten over at FTX just before its collapse. He called the company “a complete failure” of corporate controls.

Although FTX customers have been sitting on pins and needles for months at this point, the company said it released this information now because it wanted “transparency.” Furthermore, the failed exchange said it’s currently impossible to tell how much customers might be able to recover from all this mess since there’s still so many liabilities, prominent stakeholders, and creditors shadowing the company and looking for their money back, plus the liquidation and reorganization of “over a hundred companies” comprised of Bankman-Fried’s West Realm Shires former crypto empire.

Last month, FTX Japan finally unfroze its customer funds, letting a few of its customers access their (now-likely depreciated) funds. It remains unclear when, or even if, other FTX customers around the world will ever gain access to their accounts again. The company said in its presentation it will keep updating customers about goings-on, though it also claimed “the information should not be relied upon for any purpose including, but not limited to, estimating recoveries in the FTX Debtors’ Chapter 11 cases.”

Federal prosecutors originally charged Bankman-Fried with eight counts of fraud and conspiracy, but they recently upped that to 12 with additional allegations of making hundreds of illegal political donations. The failed FTX founder has pleaded not guilty. His trial date is set for Oct. 2.
Somebody is balling
 

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even if that's all you think it is, as of right now after the huge crash, it's still up like 43, 000% from 10 years ago. and it's made higher highs and higher lows every cycle with more and more retail and institutional investors jumping in each time. what makes you think that's gonna change?
  1. Why do you think more retail investors would jump in? I don't think it's possible for a similar situation to occur where government is sending citizens free money, most of the country has been closed due to lockdown, and most consumers are flush w/ cash as a result. Not only did the majority of ppl lose money on crypto, but now we are in an environment where credit card debt has exceeded pre-covid levels, so who will be funding the next rally exactly?
  2. The government is being seen as abandoning uneducated investors who got burned and will regulate it much more heavily moving forward. Everyone from Janet Yellen to Ted Cruz is calling for more regulation. Many of these coins and companies haven't found a way to stay consistently profitable, even after many of them were caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Things are going to get a LOT harder after the regulation comes in.
IMO, you are doing the equivalent of saying that Enron/Madoff Investments are about to go to the moon after their scandal has been exposed. They have burned too many bridges and so their name is shyt out here. That is what will stop the next rally. They already saturated the market and burned most of their user base.
 

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  1. Why do you think more retail investors would jump in? I don't think it's possible for a similar situation to occur where government is sending citizens free money, most of the country has been closed due to lockdown, and most consumers are flush w/ cash as a result. Not only did the majority of ppl lose money on crypto, but now we are in an environment where credit card debt has exceeded pre-covid levels, so who will be funding the next rally exactly?
  2. The government is being seen as abandoning uneducated investors who got burned and will regulate it much more heavily moving forward. Everyone from Janet Yellen to Ted Cruz is calling for more regulation. Many of these coins and companies haven't found a way to stay consistently profitable, even after many of them were caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Things are going to get a LOT harder after the regulation comes in.
IMO, you are doing the equivalent of saying that Enron/Madoff Investments are about to go to the moon after their scandal has been exposed. They have burned too many bridges and so their name is shyt out here. That is what will stop the next rally. They already saturated the market and burned most of their user base.

1. globally, they're are only like 4% of people invested in crypto. the total market cap at it's peak was less than apple. there is plenty of room for it grow. also, if and when things turns around, market psychology comes into play big time. greed is a powerful drug. not to mention, the 'bitcoin halving' is coming up in 2024 and historically that has resulted in massive gains for bitcoin and crypto at large.

that said, it's a risk asset which is pretty strongly correlated to stocks so there is definitely gonna be some dependency on the general health of the financial markets.

2. i think regulation would be the best thing for crypto. it'd be huge for it. the biggest concern by far about the space for companies, financial institutions, etc. isn't price action or FTX type of shyt, it's lack of regulatory clarity. they want regulation because they want to integrate it and utilize the technology in their businesses.
 

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  1. Why do you think more retail investors would jump in? I don't think it's possible for a similar situation to occur where government is sending citizens free money, most of the country has been closed due to lockdown, and most consumers are flush w/ cash as a result. Not only did the majority of ppl lose money on crypto, but now we are in an environment where credit card debt has exceeded pre-covid levels, so who will be funding the next rally exactly?
  2. The government is being seen as abandoning uneducated investors who got burned and will regulate it much more heavily moving forward. Everyone from Janet Yellen to Ted Cruz is calling for more regulation. Many of these coins and companies haven't found a way to stay consistently profitable, even after many of them were caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Things are going to get a LOT harder after the regulation comes in.
IMO, you are doing the equivalent of saying that Enron/Madoff Investments are about to go to the moon after their scandal has been exposed. They have burned too many bridges and so their name is shyt out here. That is what will stop the next rally. They already saturated the market and burned most of their user base.

there are people in alpha-centuri and the outer-colonies who are not aware of all of that yet :ufdup:
 

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even if that's all you think it is, as of right now after the huge crash, it's still up like 43, 000% from 10 years ago. and it's made higher highs and higher lows every cycle with more and more retail and institutional investors jumping in each time. what makes you think that's gonna change?

I don't think bitcoin is going to continue going up because the utility isn't there, it doesn't have a comparative advantage over anything that currently exists that serves as a basis for it going up to $100k. People hopping on the hype eventually runs out of steam, and each successive hype cycle gets shorter and shorter as it becomes more obvious that bitcoin and the rest of the crypto spaces lacks the level of utility that justifies the enthusiasm crypto bros have.

But, again I'm willing to take on a ban bet with any crypto bro that thinks I'm wrong.
 

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1. globally, they're are only like 4% of people invested in crypto.
Over half the world lives on less than $7 a day. I would taper in those expectations a tad. Over 40% of Americans don't even own stock and you expect them to jump into crypto.
the total market cap at it's peak was less than apple. there is plenty of room for it grow. also, if and when things turns around, market psychology comes into play big time. greed is a powerful drug. not to mention, the 'bitcoin halving' is coming up in 2024 and historically that has resulted in massive gains for bitcoin and crypto at large.

that said, it's a risk asset which is pretty strongly correlated to stocks so there is definitely gonna be some dependency on the general health of the financial markets.

2. i think regulation would be the best thing for crypto. it'd be huge for it. the biggest concern by far about the space for companies, financial institutions, etc. isn't price action or FTX type of shyt, it's lack of regulatory clarity. they want regulation because they want to integrate it and utilize the technology in their businesses.
What are you seeing that the chief strategy officer from the largest crypto firm* is overlooking exactly?

* Binance is only the largest crypto firm after the former largest firm was taken down for stealing client money
 

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Over half the world lives on less than $7 a day. I would taper in those expectations a tad. Over 40% of Americans don't even own stock and you expect them to jump into crypto.

What are you seeing that the chief strategy officer from the largest crypto firm* is overlooking exactly?

* Binance is only the largest crypto firm after the former largest firm was taken down for stealing client money

and in those poorer countries, there's been a considerable and consistent rise of crypto use among their unbanked population. yes, i expect those 40% to jump into crypto. every last one of them. lol.

in that article, hillman expressed his general concern about regulation, about it possibly being heavy-handed and stifling, which i'd say is a pretty normal for any industry. more specifically, he's worried about busd and stablecoins. i'm not sure what your point is here. that's a separate issue. it makes no difference to a company like amazon who partnered with avalanche or dell who just joined hedera's council...or all the banks and institutions who are interested in using blockchain/dlt/crypto for cross-border payments and such.

and for people inside the crypto industry, there's also anxiety about what's currently happening with sec's seemingly arbitrary and nonsensical 'regulation by enforcement' strategy where they basically just go after whoever they feel like at the time for whatever reason they decide to come up with. i think everyone would feel more comfortable if congress wrote legislation or maybe tasked an agency like the cftc to come up with a legal framework for it, even if it ends up being a bit harsh. at least everyone will have clear rules to navigate.
 

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