So based this, you feel that HL isn't what people think it is?
Critics of the left aren’t oppressed and they don’t believe in “rational debate.”
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So based this, you feel that HL isn't what people think it is?
Firstly, I'd like to clarify that the "Hooverism" comment was in reference to Dave Rubin, and Libertarian ideology as a whole. We can have a separate discussion about that, if you like.
Secondly, Sam Harris and the sources he cites make the mistake of comporting "genetics" with "race", an error that has left more African bodies in its wake than any other negative factor on the African continent.
Even winking at there being a "genetic" argument for lower intelligence in diasporic Black peoples is problematic, and is the result of apply one's own biases to the science. Why?
Mainly because those who only look at test scores for each "race" fail to control for other mitigating factors such as household income, poverty levels, economic inequality, nutrition, and educational background. These factors are extremely important, especially if you're examining differences in standardized test scores in America.
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Yeah, I'm not particularly interested. I don't follow much of what Rubin says on anything, nor do I concern myself with libertarian views in general. That's probably a conversation I'll have to concede to HL's resident libertarians like Dead7.
In what way?
Both Harris and I agree these factors are important. It seems like you and others reflexively ignore this because you fear ultimately the goal is to strip away the rights of PoC, but it's an unfounded leap. I'll quote Harris himself. In his conversation with Klein:
"The political answer is we have to be committed to racial equality and everyone getting all the opportunities in life for happiness and self-actualization they can use. We’re nowhere near achieving that kind of society. The real racists are the people who are not committed to those goals."
"You’ve suggested that Murray is trying to establish that the differences between the mean IQs in various groups are genetic, right? He’s not. He’s simply suggested that there’s good reason to believe that genes and environment both play a part. That is a safe assumption for basically everything we care about physically and mentally."
"I completely agree with you that it is right to worry that the environment for blacks, or for any other group that seems not to be thriving by one metric or another, that the environment almost certainly plays a role. And the environment, we just know that the environment plays a role across the board in behavioral genetics. There’s no one who’s arguing that any of these traits — forget about intelligence, anything we care about — is 100 percent heritable. It’s just that nothing that complex is 100 percent heritable."
Again, so we agree environment is an important factor and is difficult to control for, and the goal ultimately is racial equality. Where we disagree is whether genetics plays a factor. But for any characteristic, whether it's height or eye color or physical strength or anything ... we know genes are at least part of the equation. Not the end-all be-all -- part of the equation. But if one suggests this might also be the case for something like intelligence, then you're some kind of racist bigot, or tap dancing c00n for the right. How on Earth does that make sense?
Berniewood Hogan
IT'S BERNIE SANDERS WITH A STEEL CHAIR!
you're one of the multiple whiners who asked for a ban but came back afterwards
you want HL to be different, start posting some quality shyt instead of bytching non-stop, ho
True. Off the top of my head, the only thing I really disagree w/ Harris is his position on "random" screenings at airports, etc..
I didn't ask for a ban, lol.
And i didnt say make HL different, Im just am aware of what it is.
This operates under the false premise that everything needs to be debated over and over after being debunked.
This is the same tactic flat earthers use.
Berniewood Hogan
IT'S BERNIE SANDERS WITH A STEEL CHAIR!
Blackking is banned
You said The Coli is an "anti black site" and asked to be banned.
And you posted this shyt:
Ive listened to a ton of sam harris, how much you want me to listen to? dude is clearly biased af towards muslims and now blacks with this iq shyt. nikkaz want me to listen to every single thing he did before i have an opinion? nah, some people you can listen a little and tell theyre full of shyt. he actually thinks islam itself is the cause, not circumstance. hes dusted off a long ago debunked argument of racial iq and why? to appeal to the alt right, ive seen him on dave rubin and in talks with peterson, just the fact hes mentioned alongside all these other right wing faux intellectuals should also show you smthg. voting for clinton/obama dont make you a leftist, it might make you a neolib, no wodner he gets along with maher who has become nothing but a democrat schill in recent years. keep stanning though, is harris gonna talk about skulls being filled with marbles next to measure intelligence by race?
harris said he would rather ben carson be in charge than noah chomsky purely because of his hatred for muslims, thats a laughable opinion, he also believes in determinism. hes just not actually smart at all
harris said he would rather ben carson be in charge than noah chomsky purely because of his hatred for muslims, thats a laughable opinion, he also believes in determinism. hes just not actually smart at all
You love popping into these IQ debates don’t you? I smell a rat.
Nomayo isn't fooling anyone. You on the list
He’ll slip up sooner or later. They all do.
I just don’t understand why they come here in the first place. Shouldn’t they be congregating with their ilk on st0rmfr0nt or some shyt reveling in their supposed superiority.