Creh smokes another creh on cam
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On the man who had the gun because...
A. He lived there
B. Ol dude approached HIM with aggression. That is the very definition of assault. If you so much as approach someone and enter their personal space with aggression, you are committing assault. Even if dude lived, he couldnt claim self defense because the courts would just say "You should have left the property when the occupant told you to". You cant claim self defense being a willing combatant, he became that when he chose to walk up to dude and grab the gun, after that he was officially fair game because he became an imminent threat. You cant claim self defense nor stand your ground on someone elses private property when you were told to leave. The only way stand your ground wouldve worked out in the deceaseds favor is if Kyle would have left the porch and stepped to him, but it was the other way around so that means Kyle was literally standing his ground.
He could still claim accidental discharge, and it was towards the ground rather than in the air, so its gonna be a non factor
Doesnt matter either way, all the courts are gonna see is a man accosting another man on HIS property after he was told to leave. IN TEXAS. Im not getting why yall keep overlooking this. Folks have gotten off on self defense off of weaker shyt.
Dzali OG
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You're making the case too open and shut.
The victim wasn't there out the blue selling fish dinners. He was there at his court appointed time to pick up a child. So can it be called trespassing? I'm not a lawyer so I'm unsure. Did the wife have any type of restraining order on the victim, or was it agreed upon in COURT that he could come to the premises to get the child?
See you're trying to make this open and shut. And at this moment it may appear to be, but there's no time limit on murder. It maybe months or years until authorities make a move. Depending upon how connected Kyle and the victim are and whether the victims family let this be tucked away.
Okay, and he was told the child wasnt there, and to leave. At that point, he should have promptly left, contacted the courts and have it handled legally, instead of tried to take shyt into his own hands and paid with his life. It is open and shut because he had a duty to retreat once he was told to leave the property AND a gun was brought out. If you are told to leave someones property, thats it, the end of it. Any other matters are to be settled legally from then on. He chose the other way.
Dzali OG
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He could still claim accidental discharge, and it was towards the ground rather than in the air, so its gonna be a non factor
Doesnt matter either way, all the courts are gonna see is a man accosting another man on HIS property after he was told to leave. IN TEXAS. Im not getting why yall keep overlooking this. Folks have gotten off on self defense off of weaker shyt.
I don't live in Texas but I do live in Florida. My Texas brehs can you shoot someone for talking shyt too you? I know in Florida you can't!
The victim did not express the threat of violence to Kyle until Kyle produced the gun. Even then he threatened to take it from him. He had not laid a hand upon Kyle. Is it legal to shoot someone who gets in your face in Texas?
Even if it was a accidental discharge...does that activate self defense for the victim? There are no accidental discharges in self defense
Yes, because that is ASSAULT. Look up the legal definition of assault breh. You can commit assault without laying a finger or someone. The moment you enter someones personal space in a threatening manner, you are committing assault, and that makes you an imminent threat by law meaning that lethal force is then justified.
Dzali OG
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You're still making it open and shut. Interweaving your personal feelings into the incident. The question is, what's law? In Texas do you have a time limit to beat feet off someone's property if you have a court order to get your child and they're not present? Or can you wait for authorities? While you're waiting for authorities can you talk your shyt without being shot, or must you stfu?
See your personal feelings don't mean a thing when it comes to law. Was he stupid, perhaps, but was he still within the law?
At the same time was it legal for Kyle to bring that gun out for someone who was there by court order and who's only threat was to drag them to court? Did he have a Right to wait for authorities to arrive?
Dzali OG
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It's been a minute since I was a police officer...but that doesn't sound accurate to me breh! We didn't even have that Right as a LEO. There's something called.......I can't remember...but there were thresholds which must be met to justify lethal force or else a officer going to jail.
Assault includes any sort of unwanted physical contact, doesnt even have to be any sort of injury. That, and dude not only made contact(chested bump, grabbed gun), but once again, he did it on someone elses property after being told to leave. Thats a pretty strong case for self defense.
I thought the title said creh smokes another creh on cnn
I have no idea why this is cracking me up lmaooo
That video is going to bury that cac… The current wife videoing the incident from start to finish shows that cac boyfriend can’t claim self defense or stand your ground..
Kyle assaulted the victim first with a shot to his feet.. Victim had every right to defend himself what ever that is… It’s clear that Kyle was the aggressor from start to finish so self defense he can’t claim..Yall are conflating the event. You must unravel this shooting piece by piece to obtain when and if justification for shooting happened and if the shooter broke the law prior.
1. Victim was there to pick up his child as agreed in custody papers.
Any laws broken there or justification to shoot him?
2. Victim got into verbal exchange with the child's mother due to child not being there.
Is it justifiable to shoot him now?
3. Victim gets into verbal exchange with wife's boyfriend. No physical altercation. The shooter asks him to leave the property to which the victim refuses.
Is it justifiable to shoot him now? This is key. Can you shoot someone for not leaving your property?
4. Shooter retrieves a rifle and again asks victim to leave? Victim refuses and aggressively enters the shooters space.
Is it within the law to now shoot him? Can you shoot an unarmed person for threatening to take a weapon you introduced and using it on you? This maybe the key. There is a size difference.
5. Shooter fires a warning shot at the feet of the victim.
If the events from #4 aren't within guidelines for self defense Kyle should be cooked here as this MAY be the first illegal action. Warning shots are not allowable in self defense.
6. After the warning shot, victim attempts to disarm Kyle.
This hinges between assault and the victim attempting self defense. If the victim has not committed any other illegal actions, he has a claim to self defense. Kyle shot at his feet.
7. Kyle retains his weapon after being tossed about. From about 10 ft away he raises his rifle and fires two shots dropping the victim..
From Kyle's perspective, the victim has just physically assaulted him by trying to take his gun.
The question is, who committed the illegal act first. Was it the victim by refusing to leave when asked? And if it is illegal, did it give the right to shoot?
If the refusal to leave isn't illegal and a green light to shoot, was the verbal altercation sufficient? Is it legal to claim self defense due to verbal altercation? Is it legal to shoot due to someone being in your face in a aggressive nature? Taking into account size difference.
Once past this, the biggest issue is the shot fired (warning shot) at the victims feet. Not only does the introduction of a gun bring in his claim for self defense. But a warning shot definitely does.
be interesting to see how it plays out. Let's see how connected Kyle is and if his girlfriend offers some head booty and cock to the State Attorney
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