Creed was a ten times better remake/reboot of a franchise than Stah Wahs The Force Awakens...

[Dr. Narcisse]

It literally does the same things as the previous series Rocky takes Creeds son under his wing just as Creed did Rocky. IMO the same criticisms thrown at Force Awakens are bother me much more in Creed. Did they really have the last fight play out the same as the first movie ? Did the last fight have to turn into a Rocky part 7 after setting itself apart by having more realistically shot fights in the beginning in order to pander to fans of the old series.

So the last fight all of sudden undermines the entire movie.
Star Wars chose to use an even bigger Death Star. That is far worse than Creed fighting decently, and then losing. Also you're still confusing Rocky I and Rocky II breh. That was the one where they got up before the ten 10 count.

However, while watching the movie you had NO idea where it was heading until it happened. With Star Wars they just threw the plot points in front of us.

The Han/Kylo Ren moment was supposed to be that movie's "Empire moment" and was botched big time. You could see it coming a mile away and built up none of the tension.

Neither one is very original. But at least Creed had far better execution of the nostalgia/rehash moments.

 

[Disgustya Stallone]

It's still taking familiar elements from the franchise the same criticisms you just said about Force Awakens.

they did it completely different it wasnt no 1:1 knock off like TFA is to ANH

Rocky was a seasoned boxer in 1, he wasn't great, but he had a bunch of experience in the ring.... and he was a bouncer.... no talk about life before that for him, we have no clue about his past

Creed on the other hand was a b*stard kid that thought he was a mistake his whole life, which is why he turned to boxing... he had little pro experience outside of 1 real fight and 15 maxican fights

 

[Mortal1]

read this n*gga post and shut the hell up

so things were SLIGHTLY different in Force Awakens as well. Both films echo the predecessors from at differ slightly.

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

are you just going out of yr way these days to make the worst threads on here?

Other than the "better 10 times bit" he told no lies in the OP...

In fairness to Star Wars....

The Force Awakens is a like an extended trailer that sets up the next two movies. Creed was made as a standalone movie that only after its success got greenlit for a sequel.

 

[Disgustya Stallone]

so things were SLIGHTLY different in Force Awakens as well. Both films echo the predecessors from at differ slightly.

one was executed 10 times better than the other brah, dont let your nerd life interfere with facts

now if adonas's b*tch worked at a pet store and gave adonas 2 turtles named cuff and link you may have a point

b*tch was a musician cuz.... not even remotely close

 

[Mortal1]

So the last fight all of sudden undermines the entire movie.
Star Wars chose to use an even bigger Death Star. That is far worse than Creed fighting decently, and then losing. Also you're still confusing Rocky I and Rocky II breh. That was the one where they got up before the ten 10 count.

However, while watching the movie you had NO idea where it was heading until it happened. With Star Wars they just threw the plot points in front of us.

The Han/Kylo Ren moment was supposed to be that movie's "Empire moment" and was botched big time. You could see it coming a mile away and built up none of the tension.

Neither one is very original. But at least Creed had far better execution of the nostalgia/rehash moments.

I'mma be honest man it did for me ruined the film for me for a film that tried so hard to stand on its own it straight panders to Rocky fans of old with that whole fight scene.

 

[Disgustya Stallone]

I'mma be honest man it did for me ruined the film for me for a film that tried so hard to stand on its own it straight panders to Rocky fans of old with that whole fight scene.

you're an idiot bro

boxing has 1 of 2 outcomes, one guy wins or the other guy wins

it would have been completely retarded for Creed to have won that last fight

wash your face and get the f*ck up out my thread b*tch

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

I'mma be honest man it did for me ruined the film for me for a film that tried so hard to stand on its own it straight panders to Rocky fans of old with that whole fight scene.

But Rey all of a sudden being going from New Hope Luke to Return of the Jedi Luke didnt ruin Star Wars for you

Han Solo having the most out in the open predictable death scene that had no buildup/no meeting with his son prior didn't ruin it for you

The fact that suddenly they create a new Death Star that kills people that we don't even end up caring about didn't ruin it for you

I could go on and on breh.

Breh....you could make the case Rocky WON the first fight with Apollo. Creed was just an outmatched boxer who put some good rounds together and for a brief moment put ALL THE TRAINING AND EFFORT, PAIN, FAILINGS that suddenly came together in the final round. shyt was damn near perfect.

He finally showed a moment of vulnerability and expressed WHY he was fighting. He finally got out of his father's shadow and the weight off of him led to him finally displaying his true potential. shyt was great.

There were no stakes in Star Wars TFA. Doesn't mean it wasn't good. Creed you felt this heavy burden weighing on him and it was finally unleashed. If you're focused on the boxing you missed the point breh.

Having said that breh, I mean no disrespect. You're entitled to your opinion.

 

[Mortal1]

you're an idiot bro

boxing has 1 of 2 outcomes, one guy wins or the other guy wins

it would have been completely retarded for Creed to have won that last fight

wash your face and get the f*ck up out my thread b*tch

Hey man I just said my opinion I felt like they didn't need to end the fight with the same outcome as the first Rocky. Miss me with that other shyt and I say what the fukk I want bytch.

 

[Mortal1]

But Rey all of a sudden being going from New Hope Luke to Return of the Jedi Luke didnt ruin Star Wars for you

Han Solo having the most out in the open predictable death scene that had no buildup/no meeting with his son prior didn't ruin it for you

The fact that suddenly they create a new Death Star that kills people that we don't even end up caring about didn't ruin it for you

I could go on and on breh.

Breh....you could make the case Rocky WON the first fight with Apollo. Creed was just an outmatched boxer who put some good rounds together and for a brief moment put ALL THE TRAINING AND EFFORT, PAIN, FAILINGS that suddenly came together in the final round. shyt was damn near perfect.

He finally showed a moment of vulnerability and expressed WHY he was fighting. He finally got out of his father's shadow and the weight off of him led to him finally displaying his true potential. shyt was great.

There were no stakes in Star Wars TFA. Doesn't mean it wasn't good. Creed you felt this heavy burden weighing on him and it was finally unleashed. If you're focused on the boxing you missed the point breh.

I didn't fell any stakes with Creed at all I guessed the outcome of the fight once the third act started. You gotta point the Star Wars plot points though.

 

[Disgustya Stallone]

I didn't fell any stakes with Creed at all I guessed the outcome of the fight once the third act started. You gotta point the Star Wars plot points though.

just answer me 1 question and dont lie:

are you white?

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

I didn't fell any stakes with Creed at all I guessed the outcome of the fight once the third act started. You gotta point the Star Wars plot points though.

The stakes were higher because he was not only risking being an embarrassment to himself, but to his father's legacy. He didn't want to be known as just a mistake. He was trying to find his identity and he risked it all in order to get it. Creed's unknown son takes his name and is fighting the champ. The fallback if he's trash would have been dramatic and traumatic for him.

Both are reboots/rehashes. Fights can only go a few ways breh. Bottom line is though....we expected more/ better from Star Wars. It should have taken the tone/fun characters of the OT and merged it with the world building of the PT.

Star Wars still has the sequels which can either make TFA better or worse. They can actually fix the the plotholes in the next movie. Creed as a standalone just had better execution imo.

Creed felt like a love letter to Rocky films. Star Wars TFA felt like a highlight reel.

I actually have more confidence in a Episode 8 than a Creed sequel though. Thats the issue with boxing films...only so much you can do.

 

[Mike Otherz]

people keep comparing creed and straight outta compton, i guess cause they both have black casts. can only be one black film a year thats good apparently. even the coli has inhaled that self hating “there can only be one” creedo, doing polls to see which was better. when in reality, you should be comparing Creed to other hollywood franchise reboots, most of which ( mad max fury road excepted) Creed shytted on.

Creed actually had, textured, nuanced, strong in a non cliched way, black characters that youcared about and rooted for. force awakens had jar jar binks in blackface.

 

[Still Benefited]

The stakes were higher because he was not only risking being an embarrassment to himself, but to his father's legacy. He didn't want to be known as just a mistake. He was trying to find his identity and he risked it all in order to get it. Creed's unknown son takes his name and is fighting the champ. The fallback if he's trash would have been dramatic and traumatic for him.

Both are reboots/rehashes. Fights can only go a few ways breh. Bottom line is though....we expected more/ better from Star Wars. It should have taken the tone/fun characters of the OT and merged it with the world building of the PT.

Star Wars still has the sequels which can either make TFA better or worse. They can actually fix the the plotholes in the next movie. Creed as a standalone just had better execution imo.

Creed felt like a love letter to Rocky films. Star Wars TFA felt like a highlight reel.

I actually have more confidence in a Episode 8 than a Creed sequel though. Thats the issue with boxing films...only so much you can do.

Nah breh,they left so many directions and plot lines they can go with the Creed sequel...You really have no idea what to expect with the next one AT ALL which I like.

And your right that is a problem with boxing films,but that's why Rocky movies have always been at its best when there was something you cared about more than the outcome of the match...Like you didn't want Creed to just win because he was the main character,and he was supposed to win.

Besides Rocky 1 was a love story,they didn't force a love story in Creed at all,they gave him a girl but I like that they didn't really make her matter in this first film....Based on that alone,Creed is a whole different film from Rocky....Plus irrc the outcome of the match saying Rocky lost is barely highlighted in Rocky 1 at the end.

Star wars wasn't really my thing,Im pretty sure I haven't seen more than 2 Star War films and I kept thinkin shyt was familiar

 

[Mortal1]

just answer me 1 question and dont lie:

are you white?

I'm black.