Cowherd: The NBA needs a villain

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I'm giving you examples of my original point :snoop:
The list of contenders was deeper than it is today, the individual teams are deeper than they are today, and there was never an underdog. Today, again there are only about 2 or 3 teams besides the Cavs and Warriors that have a shot of beating them thus making the game predictable and boring

And what exactly does the Bulls losing without their best player prove about parity? :wtf: Does the Heat losing w/o Bron last year prove that the league has more parity now?


NBA been predictable for most of it's history including the 90s. Like I said in my first response to you...list these contenders from that time and tell me what separates them from the contenders of today.
 

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They spent the last 15 years trying to clean up what they considered a bad image because in their minds a more youthful hip hop'ish braided and doo rag'd looking league was intimidating to their white season ticket holders and bad for business.

Cowherd lame ass spent most of the time during this period championing the nba taking these actions to rid the league of Allen Iverson types.

Ya'll made your squeaky clean good lil safe nikka bed, now lay in it......
Exactly.. It get people need a team to hate and somebody to root against but when it comes to being a villain in the NBA it becomes a racial- thug element in the eyes of white folks. The NFL gets a pass for everything plus all the shows and networks are dedicated to the league, they get all the coverage. Hell we can't even get a Pardon The Interruption or First Take type of show on NBA TV of all places. Even if there were any villains or things to get the casual interested its not covered
 

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1. The way they do ratings is bullshyt
Nielsen: Technical Error Causes Months of False TV Ratings
Ineffective Nielsen Ratings Are Ruining TV and No One Cares

2. Even if ratings are down, interest is up and is rising:manny:
interest doesnt pay the bills. archaic as it is, the bills are paid by the tv contracts these teams and the league has. those are driven by tv ratings. the problem the nba, and all leagues not named the nfl face, is that everything is based on tv money from the players salaries to the valuation of the team to the sponsors etc. tv is hemorrhaging viewers at an amazing clip, and these networks have barely put their toe in the water in regards to some of these new tv team/league deals. what happens when that tv money lessens substantially, because the networks arent able to afford the rates anymore? because thats where we are headed. give espn a good 2-3 years when they have to start paying out the ass for the nba product, that gets minimal viewership when someone other than lebron or the warriors are playing and they lose several million more cable subscribers
 

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interest doesnt pay the bills. archaic as it is, the bills are paid by the tv contracts these teams and the league has. those are driven by tv ratings. the problem the nba, and all leagues not named the nfl face, is that everything is based on tv money from the players salaries to the valuation of the team to the sponsors etc. tv is hemorrhaging viewers at an amazing clip, and these networks have barely put their toe in the water in regards to some of these new tv team/league deals. what happens when that tv money lessens substantially, because the networks arent able to afford the rates anymore? because thats where we are headed. give espn a good 2-3 years when they have to start paying out the ass for the nba product, that gets minimal viewership when someone other than lebron or the warriors are playing and they lose several million more cable subscribers
I feel you but..
1. The NBA just re-up its TV contracts

2. Give it another 2 years the NBA will find a way to get the young people streaming the games to pay legally. I don't how they'll do it but trust me they're already thinking about this shyt.
 

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I feel you but..
1. The NBA just re-up its TV contracts

2. Give it another 2 years the NBA will find a way to get the young people streaming the games to pay legally. I don't how they'll do it but trust me they're already thinking about this shyt.
yes, thats why i mentioned the 2-3 years from now. it will be interesting to see how it sorts itself out, with regards to the skyrockting prices at a time when they are shedding subscriber money by the boatload. theres no way there is near the money from hardcore fans paying to stream the nba separate is in the same stratosphere of the current cable tv model where millions of people like my grandma were forced to pay like 6 bucks a month for espn when she watched zero seconds of it.
 

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Hard to have villains, when all these players are soo damn friendly with one another.

Blame money and free agency. Both aspects make players bounce around from team to team, and its hard to preserve true hated rivalries with one another if players keep coming and going. In the golden years, players would always stay with the same team (unless traded,released,retired).

I commend Kobe and Duncan for doing this.
Players have always been friendly as hell. The NBA doesn't need villains and heroes. They just need good ball players, and they have that.
 

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2000-2009 was more boring. The difference is that you had so many great individual players that masked the bad isolation heavy offense.
I agree. The NBA had a point were dudes were barely even athletic. The game is advanced as hell to me now. Just exciting. Even shytty teams have a player or two worth watching. Okafor and Towns are beasts in the post and rookies. Myles Turner is another young big that's nice in the paint. I can't wait to watch them develop. IMO, the people that don't like the NBA are either pessimists, or just don't watch the games.
 

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Players have always been friendly as hell. The NBA doesn't need villains and heroes. They just need good ball players, and they have that.

The worst part is you got young nikkas pushing this shyt that weren't even around/don't remember when nikkas were fighting and shyt. Even then, you still had dudes being friendly like you said. You had Zeke and Magic literally kissing before games but cats are saying that players today are too friendly :mjlol:.
 

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Villain is code word for thug. What this cac is saying is that the NBA need more thugs. All these well dressed and business savy players are boring. We need a loose cannon that don't give a fukk about his image or brand. :martin:
 

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What makes pro basketball legendary? Match ups. I would tune in to a regular season game even it it was between bad teams if there was a chance I could see somebody get posterized or crossed over. I wanna see Shaq go beast mode on Mutombo all night (pause) :dame:

I wanna see Mike abuse Craig Ehlo or Byron Russel for the last second shot, NBA is supposed to be man up basketball otherwise what's the point of calling it "PRO"? Zone (Illegal) defense ruined the game for me at least cause it resembles the college game too closely now. Bunch of 3 pointers and mahfuggas flopping all over the place shyt is :russell:

As far that white boy crying about no villains he can eat a dikk he just exposed that he needs some nikka activity so he can get on his high horse and rant about how "guys don't play with class and nikkas is thugs yadda yadda yadda" Although I didn't listen to the clip just read the thrad title so whatever :ld:
 

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Right...rascism so deeply imbedded in it all:whoo:(but he won't speak on the masses of whites who have chosen to turn off anything majority black...that couldn't be a ratings hit could it...no the NBA needs a villain:smugdraper:)
The NFL is majority black
 

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The reason the ratings are down isnt because you dont have a villian per se. It's because you dont have a GREAT TEAM or GREAT TEAMS anymore. or at least perceived GREAT. the warriors might be a great team. But they cant get that love because we all know the reason why the splash bros are so money is primarily due to rule changes not allowing guys to get up in them on a constant basis without soft whistles. its the same reason james harden is a household name(yes he has game but he's not as good as it seems he is... the bogus fouls makes him super harden aka superstar james harden with a ridiculous addidas contract.. This nucca harden aint no Tmac (pre back issues). lets keep it 1000. But rule changes have made life so much easier for guards/perimeter players/ point forwards, etc. that as a fan you already know who goings to go off before you turn on the TV. even though the youngins never seen the early 00's or the 90's and we know they didnt see the 80's. they still can see a situation where its my offense vs your offense and little defense being played mano y mano. these super zone defenses are great TEAM defenses. but they remind you of why you hate to watch college hoops nowadays. There is nothing like guys being put on that island with a star player and having to stop that dude more than twice a night. now i dont want to see east coast 90's, iso ball all day either. there is a nice balance between the two. The nba has not found that balance. they have gone to far to the offensive side. to far to the small ball only side completely throwing bigs in the bushes, making young bigs become point forwards and 3 pt shooting centers.

Bigs rarely get truly dunked on. because bigs for the most part are not challenging guys dunks like that. the shot blockers are mostly only weakside sneak up on you shot blockers. unlike old heads like ewing, zo, drob, hakeem, etc were swatting their own man's shots. as well as weakside shots.

the bigs are only good for a pick n lob or pick n pop. zero post game darn near.

I told yall this would happen. yall told me i was flabby and sick. now you see the ratings. YOU youngins aint even feeling this new era of hoop. kind of similar to hiphop. yall defend this era because its all you have, but in reality you dont like it either.

I like gstate a lot. the cavs are cool but they would be a lot better in my eyes if love was a real defender. so that team is once again pretty much all offense and so so defense. they get by on new rules where people cant touch kyrie or bron. so that helps.

the clippers are not a real power team even though they have the athletic ability and seemingly the talent. The clippers on paper are the old sonics(gp, kemp and them). but they aint that solid in reality. this is why if a gstate warrior gets hurt. any of them. Dray, chef, klay, Iggy. if any of those dudes go down with an injury come playoff time. their entire run will go out the window and watch the spurs or some other team win it all. which will make the idea that they were not a great team realistic. great teams cant lose their main star players 1 or 2. but they can lose a 3rd guy or 4th guy. not so with the warriors.

Truth is, yall do need the lakers to be great again. because more people love the lakers than hate them. and when the lakers are good. they arent just pretty good. they are GREAT. No one questioned kobe and even the kobe gasol team which was no where near as good as the kobe and shaq teams. no one ever questioned any of those 5 championship teams like they do the warriors.

No one questioned the bulls with pip and mike and nem. no one questioned kg ray ray pp rondo celtics that one year. no one questioned the old celtics or the showtime lakers.

The nba needs to change the rules back to the way they were mid 90's. it wasnt as rough as the 80's. but it was still man to man defense (NO ZONES). and you could at least put a forearm on a perimeter offensive player while you played defense. you couldnt handcheck him old derek harper style(which i hated). this will do two things. bring back perimeter defense make the games more of a chess match between players and coaches. in addition. it will force some of these guys to become even better more aggressive players on offense. and these guys would figure it out. they are still the best 300+ players in the world hands down.
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