COVID-19 Pandemic (Coronavirus)

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You tell me to don't @ your stupid ass but you steady quoting my posts.

I said "Please don't @ me with that sort of nonsense." and I even said PLEASE.

Some of us find this level of conversation frustrating.

You are free to @ me if you can think of something sensible to say.

the levels on here sometimes tho ....

It's hard work switching from post-grad level studies to having to point out simple semantics to simpletons, so please excuse my bruskness.

No beef / insult intended :hubie:
 

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I know Tuskegee has been talked about here. But for black americans (and native americans) here in america. Medical experimentation didn't start or end with Tuskegee.

From multiple experiments conducted on black slaves especially black women who were slaves (that is where many of the gynecologist advances were made) to sterilization during and after slavery and countless other experiments....medical apartheid has been practiced on black people in america for centuries.

So I understand why some brothas and sisters are reluctant to take the vaccine.

However with white folks rushing to get the vaccine even in black neighborhoods (and all around the world). I think black folks can be reassured that this time white folks most likely ain't doing anything funny with the vaccine to target us.


Yeah definitely, I dont want people to base important health issues based on soundbites and half truths, but im being guilty of doing the latter whenever i neglect to acknowledge that it has actually happened and continues to happen to this day as well.

I just want the best for folks and dont want to see anymore posts on here about members or their family members losing their health or lives to this virus, especially now that it can be prevented.
 
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just from today:

International experts ratchet pressure on China to probe the Covid lab leak theory as they condemn the WHO's investigation, writes IAN BIRRELL
  • Scientists have demanded investigations into the origins of the Covid pandemic
  • Eighteen scientists from top universities wrote a letter to the journal Science
  • Signatories include Ravindra Gupta, a Cambridge geneticist, and Ralph Baric
  • Experts are challenging the wisdom that Covid-19 emerged naturally in Wuhan
  • Wuhan labs include Wuhan Institute of Virology, which studies bat-borne viruses

Leading infectious disease experts have condemned the World Health Organisation for its failure to properly investigate whether Covid-19 leaked from a laboratory.

In a highly significant move, 18 scientists from the world's top universities, including Cambridge, Harvard and Yale, have demanded further investigations into the origins of the pandemic.

'Theories of accidental release from a lab and zoonotic spillover [from animals to humans] both remain viable,' they wrote in a letter to the journal Science.

'More investigation is needed to determine the origin of the pandemic. Knowing how Covid-19 emerged is critical for informing global strategies to mitigate the risk of future outbreaks.'

The signatories include Ravindra Gupta, the Cambridge geneticist who has played a key role in Britain's response to variants.

The new letter to Science criticises the WHO inquiry for claiming a laboratory leak was 'extremely unlikely' when there is no strong evidence to support either theory.

'We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data,' it said.

'A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimise the impact of conflicts of interest.'

The criticism demonstrates how the ground is shifting fast on the issue as scientists and politicians challenge the conventional wisdom that Covid emerged naturally in Wuhan, the site of several key Chinese laboratories.

These labs include the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which specialises in the study of bat-borne viruses and where there are known safety concerns.

Alina Chan, a molecular biologist at the Broad Institute of Massachusetts Institute of Technology, who is one of the Science signatories, said the letter 'was a massive blow to the group that has been trying to cast a lab leak as a conspiracy theory and prevent an actual investigation from happening'.

Prof Gupta, professor of clinical microbiology at Cambridge who was named by Time magazine last year as one of the world's 100 most influential people for his work on HIV, is the first prominent British scientist to take the lab leak theory seriously in public.

Only a few scientists and journalists dared challenge the narrative that dismissed the idea of a possible lab leak for the first year of the pandemic, despite Beijing's apparent cover-up of events and silencing of any internal dissent.

The argument began to shift when Stanford microbiologist David Relman, another of the Science signatories, published a landmark paper demanding a serious investigation of both theories.

Earlier this month, Nobel-winning virologist David Baltimore flagged up suspicions over a unique feature of the new disease that enables it to bind to human cells.

'I said to my wife it was the smoking gun for the origin of the virus,' he said.

Baltimore, former president of the prestigious California Institute of Technology, told me he made his intervention 'to encourage more investigation of the origin'.

Ian Lipkin, a renowned virus hunter from Columbia University's school of public health and another signatory, said last week he was 'concerned' Wuhan scientists 'may not have exercised appropriate safety precautions'.


International experts ratchet pressure on China to probe the Covid lab leak theory | Daily Mail Online

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May 13, 2021
Top researchers are calling for a real investigation into the origin of covid-19
A group of prominent biologists say there needs to be a “safe space” for asking whether the coronavirus came out of a lab.

Top researchers are calling for a real investigation into the origin of covid-19

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May 13, 2021
Another Group of Scientists Calls for Further Inquiry Into Origins of the Coronavirus
Researchers urge an open mind, saying lack of evidence leaves theories of natural spillover and laboratory leak both viable.

Another Group of Scientists Calls for Further Inquiry Into Origins of the Coronavirus

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Yeah definitely, I dont want people to base important health issues based on soundbites and half truths, but im being guilty of doing the latter whenever i neglect to acknowledge that it has actually happened and continues to happen to this day as well.

I just want the best for folks and dont want to see anymore posts on here about members or their family members losing their health or lives to this virus, especially now that it can be prevented.

I feel you breh. I personally know 3 folks who died from this shyt (including my older cousin). Even one of my homies out her in Dallas lost his mother and grandmother to that shyt.

Plus my sister caught it. My brother caught it. My younger cousin who is 25 caught it last year and was in the hospital for a few days. My older uncle caught it and was in the hospital for a month. Another older cousin caught it and was in the hospital for a week. wife's cousin caught it was in the hospital for 2 months and in a coma for 1 month of the two.

So covid has touched my family including folks I know. So I take it as no joke. I got two cousins my age who are doctors and they even been getting on family members to get the shot.

As far as me I got my first vaccine and in a few weeks will get my second. I am an asthmatic and can't play games with my lungs. Anyone that is an asthmatic understands how a simple cold can have you in the hospital if fluid gets in your lungs and you can't get it out before it hardens in a few days.

In saying all of that. Folks are free to do as they please. I am not shaming anyone who doesn't get the shot. That is their choice. But please don't go around spreading false rumors on vaccines and shyt. When children been getting vaccines for decades. Or are we gonna pretend that polio, chickenpox and measles are still epidemics amoung children?

One last thing if you ever had to travel overseas for your job or for the military. There are certain locations were they recommend that you get a vaccine. When I first started traveling to india and china for work. My company sent me to a place that handles passports and vaccinations for folks working overseas. They set you up with a visa and then you have to see a nurse and get your vaccine shots and malaria pills. Man I had to take like 5 vaccine shots just cause I was going to china and india.
 
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I feel you breh. I personally know 3 folks who died from this shyt (including my older cousin). Even one of my homies out her in Dallas lost his mother and grandmother to that shyt.

Plus my sister caught it. My brother caught it. My younger cousin who is 25 caught it last year and was in the hospital for a few days. My older uncle caught it and was in the hospital for a month. Another older cousin caught it and was in the hospital for a week. wife's cousin caught it was in the hospital for 2 months and in a coma for 1 month of the two.

So covid has touched my family including folks I know. So I take it as no joke. I got two cousins my age who are doctors and they even been getting on family members to get the shot.

As far as me I got my first vaccine and in a few weeks will get my second. I am an asthmatic and can't play games with my lungs. Anyone that is an asthmatic understands how a simple cold can have you in the hospital if fluid gets in your lungs and you can't get it out before it hardens in a few days.

In saying all of that. Folks are free to do as they please. I am not shaming anyone who doesn't get the shot. That is their choice. But please don't go around spreading false rumors on vaccines and shyt. When children been getting vaccines for decades. Or are we gonna pretend that polio, chickenpox and measles are still epidemics amoung children?

One last thing if you ever had to travel overseas for your job or for the military. There are certain locations were they recommend that you get a vaccine. When I first started traveling to india and china for work. My company sent me to a place that handles passports and vaccinations for folks working overseas. They set you up with a visa and then you have to see a nurse and get your vaccine shots and malaria pills. Man I had to take like 5 vaccine shots just cause I was going to china and india.


and this s one of the more annoying parts of people talking crazy about vaccine cards. people been needing vaccines to go to certain places. :mindblown:
Vaccination requirements for international travel - Wikipedia
 

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I know Tuskegee has been talked about here. But for black americans (and native americans) here in america. Medical experimentation didn't start or end with Tuskegee.

From multiple experiments conducted on black slaves especially black women who were slaves (that is where many of the gynecologist advances were made) to sterilization during and after slavery and countless other experiments....medical apartheid has been practiced on black people in america for centuries.

So I understand why some brothas and sisters are reluctant to take the vaccine.

However with white folks rushing to get the vaccine even in black neighborhoods (and all around the world). I think black folks can be reassured that this time white folks most likely ain't doing anything funny with the vaccine to target us.
I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said. But at some point ignorance has to have its limits. You acknowledged yourself the fact that folks of all ethnicities are lining up to get vaccinated. It's time to start holding our people accountable. At this point conflating receiving the Covid vaccine with medical apartheid is disingenuous, especially when you factor in the disproportionate impact its had in our community.
 

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I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said. But at some point ignorance has to have its limits. You acknowledged yourself the fact that folks of all ethnicities are lining up to get vaccinated. It's time to start holding our people accountable. At this point conflating receiving the Covid vaccine with medical apartheid is disingenuous, especially when you factor in the disproportionate impact its had in our community.

I ain't gonna lie it is concerning. Cause potentially we could have an issue here what we are facing overseas. Basically the haves with money got the vaccine and the have nots without money don't have the vaccine.

Especially when you take into account the last of medical care and resources in the have not communities. Which can cause serious and dangerous health concerns if say in the fall covid kicks back up.
 
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