Covert Racism and whitewashing in Hollywood Movies

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Let's not act like black rappers and movie makers don't do the same damn thing. All these rappers with light skinned biracial women in their videos or these black movies where the female love interest is always a light skinned black woman.
Instead of blaming Hollywood let's look at ourselves first.
 

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because white people are selfish lmao.
everyone watches the avengers movies, how many white folks will actually watch BP tho?

Yea I willing to put money up that it flops but I'm willing to eat crow. They may whitewash the movie enough to make it palatable for the American audience, not sure how they plan on pulling that one off though. He's suppose to be in Africa to boot.
 

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Let's not act like black rappers and movie makers don't do the same damn thing. All these rappers with light skinned biracial women in their videos or these black movies where the female love interest is always a light skinned black woman.
Instead of blaming Hollywood let's look at ourselves first.

What are you talking about in most black movies the woman is brownskin.
Most rap videos are full of strippers
 

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storm in the next x-men movie :dead: they give no fukks about replacing black women with biracial women in hollywood.
I didn't even realize that was Alexandria. She looks more black in other pictures I've seen of her. But I know why you chose this one:deadmanny:
 

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Let's not act like black rappers and movie makers don't do the same damn thing. All these rappers with light skinned biracial women in their videos or these black movies where the female love interest is always a light skinned black woman.
Instead of blaming Hollywood let's look at ourselves first.

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Let's not act like black rappers and movie makers don't do the same damn thing. All these rappers with light skinned biracial women in their videos or these black movies where the female love interest is always a light skinned black woman.
Instead of blaming Hollywood let's look at ourselves first.
White media.

Racist whites are hand picking them, paying them and giving them a platform to spread their poisonous message.

c00ns aint nothing new and we been hip to them. Yet dont forget who funds those c00ns to do that.
 
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Re: The Secret Meeting That Changed Rap Music And Destroyed A Generation

Poster 0 said:
..was the title to the email I just received from someone who can only be identified as John Smith or “industryconfessions”. In this lengthy email was a “confession” from a former “decision maker” within the music industry during the 1990′s. In this email they went on to tell a story about a certain meeting that happened back in 1991 that changed the way Rap music was marketed and why it was being marketed and who benefited from such practices. I’m not sure if this story has any truth to it or if it’s some hoax to get an a$$hole like me to post it on his website but I have heard this theory before and not just with Rap music. So today I will entertain “Mr. John Smith” and share this story with my fellow porn board peeps.

Hello,

After more than 20 years, I’ve finally decided to tell the world what I witnessed in 1991, which I believe was one of the biggest turning point in popular music, and ultimately American society. I have struggled for a long time weighing the pros and cons of making this story public as I was reluctant to implicate the individuals who were present that day. So I’ve simply decided to leave out names and all the details that may risk my personal well being and that of those who were, like me, dragged into something they weren’t ready for.

Between the late 80′s and early 90’s, I was what you may call a “decision maker” with one of the more established company in the music industry. I came from Europe in the early 80’s and quickly established myself in the business. The industry was different back then. Since technology and media weren’t accessible to people like they are today, the industry had more control over the public and had the means to influence them anyway it wanted. This may explain why in early 1991, I was invited to attend a closed door meeting with a small group of music business insiders to discuss rap music’s new direction. Little did I know that we would be asked to participate in one of the most unethical and destructive business practice I’ve ever seen.

The meeting was held at a private residence on the outskirts of Los Angeles. I remember about 25 to 30 people being there, most of them familiar faces. Speaking to those I knew, we joked about the theme of the meeting as many of us did not care for rap music and failed to see the purpose of being invited to a private gathering to discuss its future. Among the attendees was a small group of unfamiliar faces who stayed to themselves and made no attempt to socialize beyond their circle. Based on their behavior and formal appearances, they didn’t seem to be in our industry. Our casual chatter was interrupted when we were asked to sign a confidentiality agreement preventing us from publicly discussing the information presented during the meeting. Needless to say, this intrigued and in some cases disturbed many of us. The agreement was only a page long but very clear on the matter and consequences which stated that violating the terms would result in job termination. We asked several people what this meeting was about and the reason for such secrecy but couldn’t find anyone who had answers for us. A few people refused to sign and walked out. No one stopped them. I was tempted to follow but curiosity got the best of me. A man who was part of the “unfamiliar” group collected the agreements from us.

Quickly after the meeting began, one of my industry colleagues (who shall remain nameless like everyone else) thanked us for attending. He then gave the floor to a man who only introduced himself by first name and gave no further details about his personal background. I think he was the owner of the residence but it was never confirmed. He briefly praised all of us for the success we had achieved in our industry and congratulated us for being selected as part of this small group of “decision makers”. At this point I begin to feel slightly uncomfortable at the strangeness of this gathering. The subject quickly changed as the speaker went on to tell us that the respective companies we represented had invested in a very profitable industry which could become even more rewarding with our active involvement. He explained that the companies we work for had invested millions into the building of privately owned prisons and that our positions of influence in the music industry would actually impact the profitability of these investments. I remember many of us in the group immediately looking at each other in confusion. At the time, I didn’t know what a private prison was but I wasn’t the only one. Sure enough, someone asked what these prisons were and what any of this had to do with us. We were told that these prisons were built by privately owned companies who received funding from the government based on the number of inmates. The more inmates, the more money the government would pay these prisons. It was also made clear to us that since these prisons are privately owned, as they become publicly traded, we’d be able to buy shares. Most of us were taken back by this. Again, a couple of people asked what this had to do with us. At this point, my industry colleague who had first opened the meeting took the floor again and answered our questions. He told us that since our employers had become silent investors in this prison business, it was now in their interest to make sure that these prisons remained filled. Our job would be to help make this happen by marketing music which promotes criminal behavior, rap being the music of choice. He assured us that this would be a great situation for us because rap music was becoming an increasingly profitable market for our companies, and as employee, we’d also be able to buy personal stocks in these prisons. Immediately, silence came over the room. You could have heard a pin drop. I remember looking around to make sure I wasn’t dreaming and saw half of the people with dropped jaws. My daze was interrupted when someone shouted, “Is this a f****** joke?” At this point things became chaotic. Two of the men who were part of the “unfamiliar” group grabbed the man who shouted out and attempted to remove him from the house. A few of us, myself included, tried to intervene. One of them pulled out a gun and we all backed off. They separated us from the crowd and all four of us were escorted outside. My industry colleague who had opened the meeting earlier hurried out to meet us and reminded us that we had signed agreement and would suffer the consequences of speaking about this publicly or even with those who attended the meeting. I asked him why he was involved with something this corrupt and he replied that it was bigger than the music business and nothing we’d want to challenge without risking consequences. We all protested and as he walked back into the house I remember word for word the last thing he said, “It’s out of my hands now. Remember you signed an agreement.” He then closed the door behind him. The men rushed us to our cars and actually watched until we drove off.

A million things were going through my mind as I drove away and I eventually decided to pull over and park on a side street in order to collect my thoughts. I replayed everything in my mind repeatedly and it all seemed very surreal to me. I was angry with myself for not having taken a more active role in questioning what had been presented to us. I’d like to believe the shock of it all is what suspended my better nature. After what seemed like an eternity, I was able to calm myself enough to make it home. I didn’t talk or call anyone that night. The next day back at the office, I was visibly out of it but blamed it on being under the weather. No one else in my department had been invited to the meeting and I felt a sense of guilt for not being able to share what I had witnessed. I thought about contacting the 3 others who wear kicked out of the house but I didn’t remember their names and thought that tracking them down would probably bring unwanted attention. I considered speaking out publicly at the risk of losing my job but I realized I’d probably be jeopardizing more than my job and I wasn’t willing to risk anything happening to my family. I thought about those men with guns and wondered who they were? I had been told that this was bigger than the music business and all I could do was let my imagination run free. There were no answers and no one to talk to. I tried to do a little bit of research on private prisons but didn’t uncover anything about the music business’ involvement. However, the information I did find confirmed how dangerous this prison business really was. Days turned into weeks and weeks into months. Eventually, it was as if the meeting had never taken place. It all seemed surreal. I became more reclusive and stopped going to any industry events unless professionally obligated to do so. On two occasions, I found myself attending the same function as my former colleague. Both times, our eyes met but nothing more was exchanged.

As the months passed, rap music had definitely changed direction. I was never a fan of it but even I could tell the difference. Rap acts that talked about politics or harmless fun were quickly fading away as gangster rap started dominating the airwaves. Only a few months had passed since the meeting but I suspect that the ideas presented that day had been successfully implemented. It was as if the order has been given to all major label executives. The music was climbing the charts and most companies when more than happy to capitalize on it. Each one was churning out their very own gangster rap acts on an assembly line. Everyone bought into it, consumers included. Violence and drug use became a central theme in most rap music. I spoke to a few of my peers in the industry to get their opinions on the new trend but was told repeatedly that it was all about supply and demand. Sadly many of them even expressed that the music reinforced their prejudice of minorities.

I officially quit the music business in 1993 but my heart had already left months before. I broke ties with the majority of my peers and removed myself from this thing I had once loved. I took some time off, returned to Europe for a few years, settled out of state, and lived a “quiet” life away from the world of entertainment. As the years passed, I managed to keep my secret, fearful of sharing it with the wrong person but also a little ashamed of not having had the balls to blow the whistle. But as rap got worse, my guilt grew. Fortunately, in the late 90’s, having the internet as a resource which wasn’t at my disposal in the early days made it easier for me to investigate what is now labeled the prison industrial complex. Now that I have a greater understanding of how private prisons operate, things make much more sense than they ever have. I see how the criminalization of rap music played a big part in promoting racial stereotypes and misguided so many impressionable young minds into adopting these glorified criminal behaviors which often lead to incarceration. Twenty years of guilt is a heavy load to carry but the least I can do now is to share my story, hoping that fans of rap music realize how they’ve been used for the past 2 decades. Although I plan on remaining anonymous for obvious reasons, my goal now is to get this information out to as many people as possible. Please help me spread the word. Hopefully, others who attended the meeting back in 1991 will be inspired by this and tell their own stories. Most importantly, if only one life has been touched by my story, I pray it makes the weight of my guilt a little more tolerable.
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I gotta agree with the Mack/Superfly example. My mom (who had me in 1977) said that after Shaft came out, dating in the black community changed significantly. Overnight, teenage pregnancy shot up. It was obvious to anyone who was around during that time. She said every guy was trying to imitate Shaft and be "the black private dikk that's a sex machine to all the chicks".

At least PART of this shyt is due to a bankrupt culture that was sold to us in the 60's and 70's. We got to start admitting that we get suckered in by bullshyt media sometimes, so we can start calling it out when it shows up. As a cat who grew up during the "golden age" of hiphop, I remember how smoking weed was perceived before "The Chronic" CD dropped and after "The Chronic" CD dropped. Some of this shyt is our fault for being so damn gullible. Our grandparents' generation would have called it "foolishness" and K.I.M.
The same thing happened to our grandparents.

The era in film you're talking about is known as Blaxploitation which stands for Black Exploitation as I'm sure you know.

What was going on in film for Black people right before this?

Well in the era directly preceding the rise and dominance of the gangsta gangsta era in Hip Hop music, there was a song by a group called Public Enemy that they did with Ice Cube & Big Daddy Kane where the latter rapped about the era right before Blaxploitation:

"As I walk the streets of Hollywood Boulevard
Thinking how hard it was to those that starred
In the movies portraying the roles
Of butlers and maids slaves and hoes"


Kane wasn't lying. It's what was going on for us LARGELY in American society and whatever you promote in media to people is what will proliferate as well. Now I've made this point over and over again to folks like Quest. It's called social engineering and he knows it but he always denies it.

Here is my patented copy and paste as it regards this problem:

"The fact is that black women and black men are exploited and degraded by all forms of media. The truth of the matter is that if you don't know HOW to watch tv, you shouldn't be watching it at all. One shouldn't watch television unless they have at least a rudimentary understanding of the dynamics of symbolism.

We are learning even when we think we're not. Television (all forms of media) is a serious business. It is not something that the people behind the scenes take lightly at all. They have professionals who go through years of study in many different fields. They employ people who have had to pay their dues. They hire psychologists and behavioral scientists to consult whenever they're going to put the next ad on tv for a product or a service they want to sell. That product or service could be something in a commercial that's tangible that you can buy with money or it could be an idea or concept in a 30 minute comedy or 1 hour drama etc., They are all professionals. Masters of the craft. We sit down in front of the tv as amateurs just looking for a good time and fall prey from a very young age. I reiterate that if you don't know HOW to watch television you shouldn't be watching at all."


You know what I get when I tell folks this? I'm a conspiracy theorist. It ayne that deep. It's just entertainment.

We have never had control of our image in media in totality in this country. Truth be told, the ignorance of white folk as it regards controlling our image on television is what lead to the "official" discarding of the Jim Crow system in America and the Apartheid system in South Afrika. That's another conversation piece altogether. Point being that they never known quite how to portray AT FIRST some of the new formations that occur among us. It is at these times that we have greatest (though still not at an ideal level) control over our image. Later as they learned, there began to be stigma in the media(1960's) of Blacks as being militant, communist and gangsters/ criminals which is often how they portrayed our militant groups.

Directly preceding the gangsta gangsta era in Hip Hop we had the Black power movement going on. And we can see that at that time, Black people, on mostly smaller labels, had more control over the music, creativity, direction, image and so on. It was new to krakkaz. Same ol' story over again. They saw another genre that was small - mofos rapping about bullshyt FOR THE MOST PART. Note that the Black power movement era in Hip Hop was done in virtually on the over promotion of ONE GROUP. NWA. No other rap performer or group was more instrumental and the subsequent material that came out was often from members of that group or those affiliated with them. This also coincided with the big corporate take over of hip hop music.

Now, in a thread I started the other day about advanced PEACEFUL Afrikan civilizations that, Jodokast asked me a question about how I think we can get things under way for us as a people. I mentioned that the most likely first step for me would be the creation of a massive telecommunications network totally for Black people and by Black people with absolutely no involvement whatsoever from white folks on any level. Why? Because media has been used consistently to subvert our efforts.

THAT is how you spread IDEOLOGY like contagion. And THAT is how you affect change/ transformation in culture. Even in ancient times, once again, if we study we find that how cultures are changed and transformed consistently(though not exclusively as war is another way) is by way of MEDIA!!! And again, this is why I'm against the idea of just ditching or disowning a whole section of Afrikan people simply because they don't agree with your ideology. That's not what nation builders do.

There is nothing that can be done about the people who actually act in these films or rap in the music. There will always be people among us that can be used in this way for whatever reason. We're the ones that have to work toward reaching a level of power we're we not only have absolute control of our image in media, but we also have the power to prevent white people from empowering over us, the immature, selfish and/ or traitorous ones among us.

That to me is the greatest challenge. If we can do THAT then we would see a very fast and dramatic change in the cultural landscape.

We ayne gon' catch everybody. However, we'll have more people to nation build with that way than we would with Quest's carpooling sized method reminiscent of ol' John Brown and his 6 buddies that were gonna go up against the American military and take over America.

The results left much to be desired.


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People will support whatever you keep hitting them over the head with. If all you give them is bullshyt music then that's all they will buy. If all you give them is bullshyt movies then that's what they'll go see. Whatever you're inundating people with is what they become acculturated and acclimated to over time. At the time of the release of the movie Malcolm X, the Black Power movement was in it's final throes in Hip Hop. Black people ate that up. And it's because that kind of atmosphere was already there from so much material of that nature being released why Malcolm X did good(profited) despite opening on the same weekend as Home Alone 2 a movie that grossed over 350 million dollars.

The point is to be consistent in all forms of media. We get taught all about white heroes, Black people who compromised with white folks and Black people who betray us. Therefore, that's what we want more of. Give us something different in music, movies & education all around and THAT is what we'll gravitate towards. That is why there is no pattern of "Black movies" or "accepted" Black history without the white heroes/ saviors pattern. That's why there is no pattern in any media of any kind in any of their institutions of uncompromising Black people.

Is it about money? Sure. But white people are Eurocentric, not objective. They make sure that most of what is put out there(movies, music, books, magazines etc) can BOTH make money AND influence people in the ways they want.

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How do you know that something is in fact, as opposed to opinion, garbage? First thing to do is to define what garbage means within the context and then find a way to measure it.

It was Carter G. Woodson (author of The Miseducation of the Negro) who stated:

"The one who prescribes the diameter of your knowledge determines the circumference of your activity.”

In other words as they say, “a cow grazes where it is tied” and “cattle is only as good as the field in which it grazes.”

There are those who would call foods that contain all the vitamins and minerals your body needs to be healthy and durable garbage and that the greatest thing in the world is the junk food they eat everyday. We don't even live in an age anymore where later on when people begin to pay the natural consequences of their poor choices, they snap into reality and try to turn their life around and do that which is the opposite of the FACTUAL garbage they were doing before. Instead, they seek quick fixes so they can get back to the bullshyt.

Why? We're not dealing with humans versus blowflies. What is the reason for "garbage" to be considered an opinion now as opposed to fact by a single species?

Because life is now all about what brings pleasure. I have stated before that white people are psychopaths and their culture is psychopathic. I have also stated that psychopaths live to do whatever brings them pleasure. They know what is good. They know what is evil/ bad. They understand morality just fine. They simply ignore it in order to do whatever feels pleasurable to them. For them, if it feels good then it is good to do. If it feels bad then it is bad to do and it is either destroyed/ discarded or it is manipulated into that which can bring them pleasure.

This is what a psychopathic culture breeds. A bunch of people who only care about feeling pleasure. Lines are therefore, blurred. Burgers and fries are the shyt and get mad promotion by all forms of media while beets and okra sit on the shelf because they don't make our taste buds, which have acclimated to bullshyt "masquerading as foods, tingle.

The vast majority of what is promoted in Hip Hop is in fact garbage. The vast majority of what is promoted in Hip Hop is a lot of the same stuff we talk about whenever we get into debates about the things Black people are thinking and doing that are detrimental to them. In actuality, that's how our music has always been. We've always talked about the things that are detrimental to us. However, back in the day when we spoke of these things in the music, we actually used to speak of it as the pariah it was/ is. We spoke in condemnation of it, not so much in glorification.

We like garbage now. That's why what is garbage has now become opinion when once it was widely accepted fact. The one consistent thing about humans is that they have to be able to reconcile their own chosen form of existence. It's why white folk call child molestation, pedophilia. If you've chosen to do something that is absolutely inexcusable and horrendous, you have to be able to reconcile it/ justify it. Therefore, the word pedophilia etymologically doesn't break down as the sexual abuse of a child but as pedo(child) and philos(love). And that's exactly what child molesters think they're doing; loving a child. Child molestation advocates and activists (best believe they exist) will argue that such terms as "child molestation" or "child rape" to describe sexual intercourse between adults and children is a matter of opinion.

It's how Greek culture came into full acceptance of child molestation.

If you entertain it, that which you know within your SOUL is bullshyt, even for the sake of being some type of objective advocate of free speech or whatever other morally neutral clause, you better know exactly what you're getting yourself into.

I don't congratulate Lil' Wayne or any other rapper or person that becomes rich off actively participating in garbage that lowers the social health of our people. I don't congratulate a man who became rich off of selling drugs to us or one that fails at it and becomes rich later from rapping about it on record over and over again.

As much as I love the art of lyricism, which is a morally neutral clause, the shyt that many I consider to be lyrically talented actually rap about supersedes and overwhelms the poetic ability. For others, it's the reverse. It all depends whether you're going to be who you were designed by your Creator/ Creatress to be or you're going to be what your psychopathic human manipulators wish you to become.

Success is also morally neutral. People can be successful at a lot of things. But no matter how much people wanna talk about "don't hate, congratulate", I have to consider the full implications of that to which I give praise.

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Poster A said:
There has been an underbelly society in the Black community from before anyone on this board was born. Same for white folk. The exponential growth of that underbelly for us is due to outside influence/ media manipulation fostering, facilitating, encouraging its growth. Not only is it not done on this level to white people or any other people for that matter but consider also that we're not in the same position as them. We don't now and have no history in this country of having the same social experience as white folk. We are in a more susceptible position to influence than they are because of the broken down culture we've had ever since being brought to this country.

I say it all the time. Culture is a people's social immune system. And just like the immune system in your body, if it is broken down, you become especially susceptible to all kinds of illnesses and disease to the point where even the common cold, depending on the degree of damage to the immune system, can kill you.

I agree with everything the brotha stated. I simply would like to supplement it by saying that us rioting against the system wasn't just a late 60's thing. There isn't a decade in the history of this place where Black people were not revolting in some form or another against the system, including violently. What caused for it to be more widespread was also what caused for attention to it to be more widespread across the world.

Television!

I say it all the time. There was nothing going on in the 60's that was conceptually any different than any other period of time in the history of America as it regards the oppression of Afrikan people and our response to it. There was no mysterious change of heart that occurred for white people at that time. It was simply a change of strategy as a modification of the war against us due to the damage done to white people's/ America's image with international tv cameras showing them beating up on people walking hand in hand singing songs of praises to god only begging for "fair treatment". All that while America was in the middle of a war where they were claiming to be bringing "freedom" to people and America has always waved that banner of being a free country real hard and have pounded people in other countries over the head with it.

You don't do the type of shyt they were doing to people while at the same time having morals that simply ayne been "activated" yet. You do those kinds of things when you DON'T have morals. That's a psychopath. And specifically in this case, there is such a thing as narcissistic psychopaths. They care even more than regular psychopaths about their IMAGE. Negative attention as it concerns their image/ the things they do causes them dissonance inside of their heads.

Check the history of South Africa. I guarantee you that if you study it you will find the same. Rioting and revolt was not a thing of the 80's/ 90's for them. They were always resistant to the system down there. But again, it was the television footage doing damage to white folks AGAIN that caused them to change. It was the same thing - Black folk walking hand in hand singing songs of praises to god while being beaten up by white folk.

And now they've learned how to use media against us perfectly. The mistake before was that they showed the causes for our behavior and they showed our responses and they showed how they responded. Now, they simply show how we respond and how they respond. They don't show the causes any more. And television is totally dedicated to promoting the point of view of the establishment. A thousand cop dramas, a thousand reality cop shows, a thousand courtroom dramas, a thousand reality courtroom shows. A million shows showing degenerate Black folks ...
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A lot of folks aren't seeing the bigger picture.

No one is absolving anyone of personal responsibility for their own individual behaviors. If you've paid any attention at all to the cointelpro program, they didn't simply create havoc out of thin air. They played upon certain divisions and conflicts in order to maximize the worst case scenarios.

People keep looking for perfection when it comes to Black folks. There is no segment of the Black community that is or have ever been perfect. Get over that.

Think realistically and think long-term in every direction.

The pro-Black movement in Hip Hop music never died. It was pre-empted and it was pre-empted primarily by the over marketing of one group - NWA - which represented a pre-existing element in our communities that we were attempting to deal with in a positive manner.

I've said it before. We are the only people whose underbelly element is promoted so heavily in media for the specific purpose of undermining both our morale as well as our moral authority.

As much as white people complained about their(gangsta rap) music the fact of the matter is that when you look at the marketing, they obviously either liked it more or hated it less than the Black power movement in Hip Hop. Prior to this, Black people had a lot more say in the direction of the music because there were a lot of small companies that we worked from. But around this time, early 90's, a lot of big corporate takeovers begin.

Even NWA had a touch of militancy in their music if you're familiar with their catalogue. But only a touch. It was filled far more with bullshyt than it was with anything helpful. Yeah there were other west coast artists around, but none got half the marketing that NWA did.

And can anyone truly argue that NWA is not basically the foundation of popular west coast rap or even popular rap for the next few years after that?

I've spoken about this before on here. This same thing has happened before in this country. Going DIRECTLY from being mostly about pro-Blackness and upliftment for the community to being mostly about pimps & hoes, nikka dis/ nikka dat/ violence primarily against your own kind.

Same thing happened transitioning from the 1960's to the 70's. We went from being mostly about pro-Blackness and upliftment for the community to an era of Blaxploitation bullshyt about pimps & hoes, nikka dis/ nikka dat and violence primarily against your own. Again, there was a pre-existing condition. Our leaders at the time such as Malcolm X spoke on prostitution and violence in our communities. He spoke in a positive and helpful way about those things, not in glorification of them. In those Blaxploitation movies too you can see an element of "pro-Black" type stuff/ going at the real enemy, but there was far more bullshyt going on and as time went on, it just got worse and worse. Again, over-marketing of the underbelly segment of our society.

Black people, for the most part, do not think in these terms. All they see now is what's going on in front of their eyes. No hindsight or foresight.

There are a lot of things that factor into how these things happen and it doesn't only happen in America. Like I said, some of it has to do with our own imperfect behavior. That element exists among all peoples. But the concept that some people are trying to get folks to believe i.e. that Black people are more imperfect than everybody else and that is the main reason why we are where we are is BULLshyt!!

What we are, are an imperfect people being administered to by a people who have always had a calculated agenda against us that they've always taken action on. The music industry is but one aspect of that agenda. The agenda exists in all 9 areas of people interactivity i.e. economics, education, entertainment, labor, law, politics, religion, sex and war. Without our conditioning and indoctrination in areas such as economics, education, labor, law & sex, for instance, you wouldn't have what you do in the entertainment.

It ain't only in America that Black people went directly from having to deal with a major hurdle with blunt and blatant white oppression to an epidemic of drugs & guns. Check Brazil. Check South Africa. Check Jamaica. Keep checking.

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Poster A said:
As long as it ain't too anti-white, they'll put it out to see if it can make them money. At the time in question, things were already headed that way to begin with and white people didn't have the extent of control over hip hop back in the 80's as they do now which began with the big corporate take-overs in the early 90's.

Let's not forget that white people are 70% of the buyers of these records. You not just gonna pin all this shyt on Black people. White people not only have an appetite for the destruction of Black people, but it is from THEM that we acquired a taste for our own destruction as well.

The first kinds of gangster rap music that was coming out still had a slight Black power edge to them as a left-over and the white folks in power showed their distaste for it. The closest any rapper ever came to talking about killing white people on records the way they talk about killing nikkaz all the time is whenever records were put out about killing police i.e. "fukk the Police" and "Cop Killer". The police are a major institution of white power. Every time that happened, the establishment would cry out and white people in different sectors of the society would call on their white brethren who headed up the record labels so as to basically say to them "hey, we understand the whole capitalism thing and making money and profits, but at the same time while we don't have a problem with the lopsided promotion of murder-nikkaz-music ***wink wink***, we can't have them targeting white people like that. We can't have THAT concept becoming "normal".

Both Black people and white people will fight for the right of white people to call Black people nikkaz, but the minute MJ & Mos Def used a slur for jews, they were all over that shyt. They're not HAVING THAT! Even if it makes money, they're not having that!

Record companies who care about the business end of things don't put out music according to what Black people are going to buy. We're not the major consumers. They put out music according to what the majority of consumers will buy. It ain't that we don't make them any money. We just won't make them as MUCH money as the white consumers. Before the Black Power movement became popular, we were listening to that type of shyt on the underground. Same thing after they started over-promoting and over-hyping the controversy of gangsta rap. Gangsta rap itself wasn't as heavily promoted in mainstream media as the controversy surrounding it was. That's why NWA sold like that. It wasn't about the music. That shyt was largely banned from radio stations. It was about the controversy. They sold off of infamy and notoriety.

That's how you successfully preempt a "regularly scheduled program". The Black Power movement didn't stop when gangsta rap came on the scene. They coincided. But eventually white people chose to start promoting gangsta rap more and the Black Power genre less.

It's the promotion of it and any psychologist or social scientist can tell you this. There was no demand for gangsta rap that they then decided to fill. They simply manipulated media to create the demand for something that nobody was actually looking for like that and they do that a lot. shyt that you never wanted or needed--if they simply market the hell out of it, you'll eventually acquire a taste for it. It's programming. They create needs, wants and desires where formerly there were none. That is the power of media/ propaganda. For better or for worse, if you are exposed to it and you don't know how to systematically relate to it, it will affect you one way or the other be it the brotha in Malawi who got exposed to some media (books) and got inspired to construct windmills to provide electricity for his village or some of the other brothers right there as well who got exposed to bullshyt music and go around calling each other ****** over there now too.

Which do you think is more readily available to them? The books or the bullshyt music? And do we really think it's because they want bullshyt music more than they want development?

Get real!
Poster A said:
They never believe till it's too late. They just clown folks and call'em names and say we always blaming white folks for shyt. When white folks reveal the records of what they did, negros are like "oh well".

Don't let anyone, including Black People, get away with the argument that the bullshyt music sells because WE(Black People) buy it i.e. white people care about us so they give us what we like/ want. These are the same folks that turn around and admit that hollywood, for instance, typically doesn't like to invest too much money in "Black movies" because we're not the main demographic that brings in the lion's share of the revenue they get. White people are. And that's the same story with the music industry as well. White people are the major consumers, not Black People.

Thus, they are catering primarily to white people. It just so happens that what white people generally like to see of Black People has always been destructive to us.
 
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