Coronavirus Thread: Worldwide Pandemic

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Wild self said:
Armed guards as substitute teachers? :picard:
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88m3 said:
they want babysitters not teachers so

:yeshrug:
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Honestly that's basically what substitute teachers are anyways. The shortage in substitutes etc was an issue even before covid. If this is a crisis I don't see the problem with trying to close the gap with national guard or state employees etc. These are people that are vaccinated and are already in positions that require they demonstrate a level of responsibility/competence etc. You have to be flexible during times of crisis. It's sad that a lot of the things that governments are finally doing now, such as imposing large financial and social costs to avoiding vaccination, are things that had they been done earlier would've helped us avoid a lot of unnecessary pain.

Wild self said:
Imagine a soldier of the US Army carrying a loaded assault rifle to a classroom of 9 year olds. With their Army gear on. Teaching a classroom for an entire day.
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Jumping the shark breh.


88m3 said:
"More Americans are now hospitalized with COVID-19 than ever before. Their sheer numbers are overwhelming health-care workers, whose ranks have been diminished by resignations and breakthrough infections. In many parts of the country, patients with all kinds of medical emergencies now face long waits and worse care. After writing about the crisis earlier this month, I heard from a number of readers who said that the solution was obvious: Deny medical care to unvaccinated adults," Ed Yong writes. "Such arguments were aired last year, as the Delta variant crested, and they’re emerging again as Omicron spreads. Their rationale often goes something like this:
"'Every adult in the U.S. has been eligible for vaccines since April. At this point, the unvaccinated have made their choice. That choice is hurting everyone else, by perpetuating the pandemic and, now, by crushing the health-care system. Most of the people hospitalized with COVID are unvaccinated. It’s unethical that health-care workers should sacrifice for people who won’t take care of themselves. And it’s especially unethical that even vaccinated people, who did everything right, might be unable to get care for heart attacks or strokes because emergency rooms are choked with unvaccinated COVID patients.'
"To be clear, this debate is theoretical: Health-care workers are not denying care to unvaccinated patients, even though, ironically, many told me they’ve been accused of doing so by not prescribing ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine, which are ineffective against COVID but are often wrongly billed as lifesavers. Still, I ran this argument past several ethicists, clinicians, and public-health practitioners. Many of them sympathized with the exasperation and fear behind the sentiment. But all of them said that it was an awful idea—unethical, impractical, and founded on a shallow understanding of why some people remain unvaccinated."


I thought things were improving?

It’s a Terrible Idea to Deny Medical Care to Unvaccinated People
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One of the things I hate about covid related journalism is just how much it's predicated on clickbait titles. I hate the unvaxxed as much as anyone but I would never suggest they should be denied medical care and everyone with half a brain realizes that to do so would across all sorts of legal and ethical boundaries. But a publication as influential as The Atlantic decides to build the strawman bc the author "heard from a number of readers who."


newarkhiphop said:
At times it feels like complete insanity. I am to the point where I now distrust people that just tell me there vaccinated, I mean people that you ask and go " yea sure I got it". A few pages back someone posted an article about people silently dying from covid and there families not saying anything. I can tell you that shyt is real, am in a mid size mid west city and ever since they shyt started I've seen post, work emails and news articles about random people in there 40s and 50s just passing, right before Xmas a well known law enforcement dude here just upped a died, no cause given etc :francis:


if anything covid has made me double down on my belief that if some even deadlier virus were to come around we all fuked once it kills the intelligent members of our community
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Sounds like PTSD breh
 
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Waterproof said:

Is that so CDC:sas2:
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The fact that the OP didn't read the article, I doubt he will read any posts that point out where he's misguided or what the takeaway likely is.

For the remaining regulars of the thread, my uneducated (but clearly more educated than some *cough*) guess is that:
  1. Recent natural immunity via beating covid before is potentially stronger than two shots from months ago that has waned a bit... with HUGE caveats
    1. You have to SURVIVE COVID THE FIRST TIME YOU GET IT in order to be less likely to go to the hospital the second time. That's like an insurer requiring you to pay out of pocket for your first car crash and then covering the second car crash if you're still alive/not in financial debt already.
    2. There's an inherent selection bias because the unvaxxed ppl with normal/weak immune systems that initially die from covid are removed from the denominator. The vaxxed with normal/weak immune systems are mostly still alive and are more likely to end up in a hospital with an Omicron breakthrough case .
    3. Natural immunity wanes much more quickly than the shots, so your post-infection 'boost' has a window that only lasts a few months
  2. The booster shot outperforms without the exposure to risk required for strengthened natural immunity. It has lengthier protection and less long-term side effects than flipping a coin to see which unvaxxed outcome you get
 
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Waterproof said:

Is that so CDC:sas2:
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I hate x times more likely articles. if you're .01% likely to get a second infection unvaccinated and .03% likely vaccinated who gives a fukk when you weigh the consequences of catching covid as a unvaccinated person v vaccinated. The trade off as far as we know is worth it. if its 15% to 45%, then it's not worth the vaccine.
 
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