probably not, BNO is pretty good about reporting backlogs
Coronavirus Thread: Worldwide Pandemic
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probably not, BNO is pretty good about reporting backlogs
might be seeing 5-6 at peak
While it's funny, it's also too late for Donald. It's clear that he's lost his cult, because he told them as president that the vaccine wasn't needed, but now as he is trying for a 2024 run, his own base is dying off. However he has gaslit them so much, that they boo him when he tells them to get the shot.
If you take away all the legal stuff coming Trump's way, and with the virus... 3 years is a long, long time in politics especially with mid-terms 10 months away.
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They investigating the clinic as well?
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Uneven Reporting Raises Doubts About CDC Vaccination Numbers
Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention points to a positive trend: More than 1 million coronavirus vaccine doses on average have been administered everyday for well over a month.
But a closer look at CDC’s vaccine tracker raises questions.
The CDC responded by quietly instituting a cap across the demographic groups they measure that, on paper, prevents any group from exceeding a vaccination rate of 95%. Its tracker now shows that 95% of those 65 and older are at least partially vaccinated instead of 99.9%.
A new footnote explains that the cap “helps address potential overestimates of vaccination coverage due to first, second, and booster doses that were not linked.” It also notes that inaccuracies could arise from part-time residents getting the shots and potential data reporting errors. The agency did not respond to a comment request.
But experts say CDC’s strategy does not solve underlying data issues that could spawn massive miscounts and that it’s important for vaccination coverage data to be accurate so that public health policies can be targeted to where they are most needed.
“We need to know where our vulnerable populations are,” says William Moss, the executive director of the International Vaccine Access Center at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. “We need to know where to divert resources. … With variations in data at the state level, it's just very hard to do all that at the federal level or at the national level.”
Discrepancies in CDC, State and County Vaccine Data
Limiting vaccine coverage to 95% in the CDC vaccine tracker doesn’t address the root of the problem, says Howard Forman, a professor of public health at Yale University School of Medicine.
The cap “just says that we're not fools, and we don't think for a minute that it's 100%,” Forman says.
The CDC’s data tracker estimates that more than 56 million Americans ages 65 and older have had at least one shot, while the latest Census Bureau data from 2019 estimates that only 54 million people are even in that age group.
And the agency’s data doesn’t line up with what states and counties are reporting in several cases.
For example, CDC has capped California’s percent of the population aged 65 or older with at least one shot at 95%, but state data shows about 87% of this population has had at least one dose.
CDC has also capped Florida’s 65 and older population at 95% with at least one shot, but the state reports about 90% of the population is at least partially vaccinated.
Based on Census Bureau data on senior citizen populations across the two states, even just a 5% discrepancy would amount to hundreds of thousands of residents in that demographic alone whose vaccination statuses are misidentified.
Both state health departments in statements provided to U.S. News said that CDC has access to additional databases, including vaccine rates from federal facilities, that could change their numbers.
Experts say that part of the problem is the lack of standardization in state reporting.
“I think one place where the United States has really kind of failed is in having standards for state reporting so that we can readily compare numbers across states,” Moss says.
State reporting disparities have been a problem with testing and infection numbers, too, according to Moss.
“There has been such diversity in reporting across states that has made it really difficult to track the pandemic and compare data across states,” Moss says.
County-level data doesn’t always line up, either.
Georgia’s Chattahoochee County appears to be the most vaccinated county in the U.S. – but the number of vaccinated people is four times as large as its population. The real full vaccination rate is 20%, according to the state’s dashboard. A spokesperson from the Georgia Department of Public Health said that the CDC is counting additional vaccinations from the Fort Benning military base.
Similarly, in Portsmouth, Virginia, CDC data shows about 30,000 more fully vaccinated people than the state dashboard. Melissa Gordon, a spokesperson for the Virginia Department of Health, explained that the mistake happened because CDC is counting doses that the Naval Medical Center administered to non-residents.
“CDC is aware of a technical issue impacting some of Virginia’s COVID-19 vaccine administration data. … CDC is working to resolve this issue, and has provided Virginia with the correct data files for the VDH dashboard,” Gordon said.
West Feliciana Parish in Louisiana, home to the state penitentiary, is listed as having a full vaccination rate of 84% in the CDC data, which would put it leagues above the rest of the state. But Louisiana’s own data dashboard indicates that the vaccination rate is 61% as of Monday. In six other Louisiana parishes, the difference between vaccination rates in the state data and the CDC data is 10 percentage points or greater. Mindy Faciane, a spokesperson for the Louisiana Department of Health, could not provide a reason for this discrepancy but noted that “the state dashboard will have the most accurate data.”
This is not to say that the CDC data is always less reliable than state dashboards. Some states don’t count shots from federal sources, which means the CDC’s data is more complete in those cases. For example, Arizona’s dashboard doesn’t count people who got their vaccine from the Indian Health Service, leading to serious undercounting in areas of the state that are part of the Navajo Nation. In this case, the CDC data is more accurate.
Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention points to a positive trend: More than 1 million coronavirus vaccine doses on average have been administered everyday for well over a month.
But a closer look at CDC’s vaccine tracker raises questions.
The CDC responded by quietly instituting a cap across the demographic groups they measure that, on paper, prevents any group from exceeding a vaccination rate of 95%. Its tracker now shows that 95% of those 65 and older are at least partially vaccinated instead of 99.9%.
A new footnote explains that the cap “helps address potential overestimates of vaccination coverage due to first, second, and booster doses that were not linked.” It also notes that inaccuracies could arise from part-time residents getting the shots and potential data reporting errors. The agency did not respond to a comment request.
But experts say CDC’s strategy does not solve underlying data issues that could spawn massive miscounts and that it’s important for vaccination coverage data to be accurate so that public health policies can be targeted to where they are most needed.
“We need to know where our vulnerable populations are,” says William Moss, the executive director of the International Vaccine Access Center at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. “We need to know where to divert resources. … With variations in data at the state level, it's just very hard to do all that at the federal level or at the national level.”
Discrepancies in CDC, State and County Vaccine Data
Limiting vaccine coverage to 95% in the CDC vaccine tracker doesn’t address the root of the problem, says Howard Forman, a professor of public health at Yale University School of Medicine.
The cap “just says that we're not fools, and we don't think for a minute that it's 100%,” Forman says.
The CDC’s data tracker estimates that more than 56 million Americans ages 65 and older have had at least one shot, while the latest Census Bureau data from 2019 estimates that only 54 million people are even in that age group.
And the agency’s data doesn’t line up with what states and counties are reporting in several cases.
For example, CDC has capped California’s percent of the population aged 65 or older with at least one shot at 95%, but state data shows about 87% of this population has had at least one dose.
CDC has also capped Florida’s 65 and older population at 95% with at least one shot, but the state reports about 90% of the population is at least partially vaccinated.
Based on Census Bureau data on senior citizen populations across the two states, even just a 5% discrepancy would amount to hundreds of thousands of residents in that demographic alone whose vaccination statuses are misidentified.
Both state health departments in statements provided to U.S. News said that CDC has access to additional databases, including vaccine rates from federal facilities, that could change their numbers.
Experts say that part of the problem is the lack of standardization in state reporting.
“I think one place where the United States has really kind of failed is in having standards for state reporting so that we can readily compare numbers across states,” Moss says.
State reporting disparities have been a problem with testing and infection numbers, too, according to Moss.
“There has been such diversity in reporting across states that has made it really difficult to track the pandemic and compare data across states,” Moss says.
County-level data doesn’t always line up, either.
Georgia’s Chattahoochee County appears to be the most vaccinated county in the U.S. – but the number of vaccinated people is four times as large as its population. The real full vaccination rate is 20%, according to the state’s dashboard. A spokesperson from the Georgia Department of Public Health said that the CDC is counting additional vaccinations from the Fort Benning military base.
Similarly, in Portsmouth, Virginia, CDC data shows about 30,000 more fully vaccinated people than the state dashboard. Melissa Gordon, a spokesperson for the Virginia Department of Health, explained that the mistake happened because CDC is counting doses that the Naval Medical Center administered to non-residents.
“CDC is aware of a technical issue impacting some of Virginia’s COVID-19 vaccine administration data. … CDC is working to resolve this issue, and has provided Virginia with the correct data files for the VDH dashboard,” Gordon said.
West Feliciana Parish in Louisiana, home to the state penitentiary, is listed as having a full vaccination rate of 84% in the CDC data, which would put it leagues above the rest of the state. But Louisiana’s own data dashboard indicates that the vaccination rate is 61% as of Monday. In six other Louisiana parishes, the difference between vaccination rates in the state data and the CDC data is 10 percentage points or greater. Mindy Faciane, a spokesperson for the Louisiana Department of Health, could not provide a reason for this discrepancy but noted that “the state dashboard will have the most accurate data.”
This is not to say that the CDC data is always less reliable than state dashboards. Some states don’t count shots from federal sources, which means the CDC’s data is more complete in those cases. For example, Arizona’s dashboard doesn’t count people who got their vaccine from the Indian Health Service, leading to serious undercounting in areas of the state that are part of the Navajo Nation. In this case, the CDC data is more accurate.
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What’s Causing the Inconsistencies?
Several issues can lead to inflated vaccination rates in the CDC’s online database. The biggest issue is how the agency calculates its partial vaccination rate – the share of people who have received at least one dose.
When the CDC calculates the percentage of people in a county who are fully vaccinated, it only counts people who are residents of that county. But when it calculates the percentage of people in the county who are partially vaccinated, it counts people who are residents of that state.
The method of calculation can inflate the partial vaccination rate, since it counts people who drove in from another county to get a vaccine. For example, 13 counties in the CDC’s data list more people with one dose than the actual population.
Vaccination rates may also be slightly inflated in areas where the population is undercounted. The CDC uses 2019 population data from the Census, and historically it’s been more difficult for the Census to accurately count how many people live in areas with mostly Latino or non-white populations.
“The whole Rio Grande area has been undercounted forever. … I think that's why our rates are higher, because the number of people that we think are living here, it's not accurate,” says Marisol Resendez, director of the El Milagro Clinic in McAllen, Texas.
The CDC also reports that booster shots are complicating the picture. In a footnote, the agency said that many people who got their initial vaccine doses in one location are getting a booster shot in a different location, so their booster shot might appear as a first dose when reported to the CDC.
“This is just one example of how CDC’s data may overestimate first doses and underestimate booster doses,” the footnote said.
The agency should be working to address the data issues beyond just the 95% cap, according to Forman.
“This is not a one-time problem,” he says. “It's going to go on and on and on.”
More Shots in Arms – Mostly From Boosters
Regardless of some inconsistencies, experts say CDC’s data is still helpful for spotting trends, and one trend that can’t be ignored is the increasing number of vaccines administered in the U.S.
The U.S. is averaging around 1.4 million doses administered per day, though the majority of the shots administered are booster doses. It’s an increase of more than 600,000 over the average reported two months ago in mid-October.
As omicron spreads, U.S. health officials have urged people to get booster shots, saying the additional shots from Pfizer and Moderna likely work against the new variant.
According to data from the Biden administration, more than 1.1 million vaccine doses were administered on Monday, with boosters accounting for nearly 660,000 of those shots.
The increase is being driven by a number of factors, including the simplification of who is eligible for booster doses, according to Moss.
“We started off with a rather complex and cumbersome eligibility criteria with the CDC distinguishing who should get booster doses and who may get booster doses,” Moss says.
Citing concerns about omicron, agencies have expanded booster shots to all adults and 16- and 17-year-olds.
Fear over the variant could also be causing an uptick in shots, but it's more likely leading to more booster doses than initial shots, according to Moss.
“I suspect that most of that fear is translating into people who are already fully vaccinated getting booster doses, and it's not clear that that fear is driving unvaccinated individuals to get vaccinated,” he says.
Experts are concerned that hospitalization rates are increasing going into winter months as omicron takes over. They say that booster shots are beneficial but that getting more people their first dose is the most important thing.
“The real challenge we're facing here in the United States is getting the unvaccinated vaccinated. And there, I think, the progress has been slow,” Moss says.
Several issues can lead to inflated vaccination rates in the CDC’s online database. The biggest issue is how the agency calculates its partial vaccination rate – the share of people who have received at least one dose.
When the CDC calculates the percentage of people in a county who are fully vaccinated, it only counts people who are residents of that county. But when it calculates the percentage of people in the county who are partially vaccinated, it counts people who are residents of that state.
The method of calculation can inflate the partial vaccination rate, since it counts people who drove in from another county to get a vaccine. For example, 13 counties in the CDC’s data list more people with one dose than the actual population.
Vaccination rates may also be slightly inflated in areas where the population is undercounted. The CDC uses 2019 population data from the Census, and historically it’s been more difficult for the Census to accurately count how many people live in areas with mostly Latino or non-white populations.
“The whole Rio Grande area has been undercounted forever. … I think that's why our rates are higher, because the number of people that we think are living here, it's not accurate,” says Marisol Resendez, director of the El Milagro Clinic in McAllen, Texas.
The CDC also reports that booster shots are complicating the picture. In a footnote, the agency said that many people who got their initial vaccine doses in one location are getting a booster shot in a different location, so their booster shot might appear as a first dose when reported to the CDC.
“This is just one example of how CDC’s data may overestimate first doses and underestimate booster doses,” the footnote said.
The agency should be working to address the data issues beyond just the 95% cap, according to Forman.
“This is not a one-time problem,” he says. “It's going to go on and on and on.”
More Shots in Arms – Mostly From Boosters
Regardless of some inconsistencies, experts say CDC’s data is still helpful for spotting trends, and one trend that can’t be ignored is the increasing number of vaccines administered in the U.S.
The U.S. is averaging around 1.4 million doses administered per day, though the majority of the shots administered are booster doses. It’s an increase of more than 600,000 over the average reported two months ago in mid-October.
As omicron spreads, U.S. health officials have urged people to get booster shots, saying the additional shots from Pfizer and Moderna likely work against the new variant.
According to data from the Biden administration, more than 1.1 million vaccine doses were administered on Monday, with boosters accounting for nearly 660,000 of those shots.
The increase is being driven by a number of factors, including the simplification of who is eligible for booster doses, according to Moss.
“We started off with a rather complex and cumbersome eligibility criteria with the CDC distinguishing who should get booster doses and who may get booster doses,” Moss says.
Citing concerns about omicron, agencies have expanded booster shots to all adults and 16- and 17-year-olds.
Fear over the variant could also be causing an uptick in shots, but it's more likely leading to more booster doses than initial shots, according to Moss.
“I suspect that most of that fear is translating into people who are already fully vaccinated getting booster doses, and it's not clear that that fear is driving unvaccinated individuals to get vaccinated,” he says.
Experts are concerned that hospitalization rates are increasing going into winter months as omicron takes over. They say that booster shots are beneficial but that getting more people their first dose is the most important thing.
“The real challenge we're facing here in the United States is getting the unvaccinated vaccinated. And there, I think, the progress has been slow,” Moss says.
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Idk feds still need to start prosecuting all these high profile instances especially when government employees/publicly safety is at risk
Yes, I posted that they already had rather good ventilation, even in private residences, even if the mentioned limit was 1000 ppm of CO2.
Now for COVID the limit is said to be 800ppm, so they seem to need a slight improvement, but they are not an order of magnitude above like most of our places...
The fact is they emphasize the ventilation in a way we do not...
CO2 Monitoring in indoor space | Applications | CO2 Sensors | Products | Asahi Kasei Microdevices (AKM)
There have been different pictures of CO2 monitors at entrances of supermarkets or movie theaters in Japan, while we just get the videos that it's important...
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We never stopped averaging over 1,000 a day. We just acted like it wasn’t happening.
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