Cornel West debates Candace Owens

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

You can't be remotely familiar with Cornel West and believe that his beef with Obama just came from some personal slight. Obama's entire term in office was diametrically opposed to the direction West said we needed to go. West is an avowed non-Marxist socialist, while Obama filled his administration with bankers and gave Wall Street a full pass for the financial crisis. West is strong anti-violence and anti-imperialism, while Obama quadrupled down on the drone wars. And Cornel West literally wrote the book on "Race Matters" and thought that Black issues needed to be put at the forefront of the new administration, including mass incarceration, while Obama barely touched those things while in office. Obama didn't hold police to account, he remained a stanch supporter of Israel, he supported "market forces" in virtually every place the Republicans had. Obama was the quintessential neoliberal and Cornel West can't stand neoliberals.

Hell, if you wanted to claim it was personal, you'd be better off pointing out that one of Obama's first acts in office was to choose former World Bank chief economist and US Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers to head the National Economic Council. Summers is the exact guy that West had his most public feud with and the reason he left Harvard.

No one can pretend to know anything about Cornel West, and then think he would have been the least bit happy with Barack Obama's presidency:

Pity the sad legacy of Barack Obama | Cornel West

Our hope and change candidate fell short time and time again. Obama cheerleaders who refused to make him accountable bear some responsibility

www.theguardian.com

Trying to demean Cornel West as a "political activist" is lame. He's a philosopher, an educator, and a social commentator who speaks on politics as it is relevent to America's future. His full-time gig is as a professor and social critique first.

I do agree that much of West’s displeasure with Obama was based on a difference of philosophy and principles, but there was also some personal saltiness there. The fact he can sit here and be pleasant with someone like Candace Owens but damn near called Obama the devil says a lot.

 

[Gritsngravy]

Him and Tavis Smiley hated on President Obama so much (for no real reason other than Obama didn’t kiss their ass) that it cost them all of their credibility.

They hated on Obama?

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

You can't be remotely familiar with Cornel West and believe that his beef with Obama just came from some personal slight. Obama's entire term in office was diametrically opposed to the direction West said we needed to go. West is an avowed non-Marxist socialist, while Obama filled his administration with bankers and gave Wall Street a full pass for the financial crisis. West is strong anti-violence and anti-imperialism, while Obama quadrupled down on the drone wars. And Cornel West literally wrote the book on "Race Matters" and thought that Black issues needed to be put at the forefront of the new administration, including mass incarceration, while Obama barely touched those things while in office. Obama didn't hold police to account, he remained a stanch supporter of Israel, he supported "market forces" in virtually every place the Republicans had. Obama was the quintessential neoliberal and Cornel West can't stand neoliberals.

Hell, if you wanted to claim it was personal, you'd be better off pointing out that one of Obama's first acts in office was to choose former World Bank chief economist and US Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers to head the National Economic Council. Summers is the exact guy that West had his most public feud with and the reason he left Harvard.

No one can pretend to know anything about Cornel West, and then think he would have been the least bit happy with Barack Obama's presidency:

Pity the sad legacy of Barack Obama | Cornel West

Our hope and change candidate fell short time and time again. Obama cheerleaders who refused to make him accountable bear some responsibility

www.theguardian.com

Trying to demean Cornel West as a "political activist" is lame. He's a philosopher, an educator, and a social commentator who speaks on politics as it is relevent to America's future. His full-time gig is as a professor and social critique first.

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[Gritsngravy]

The way him and Tavis Smilie shytted on Obama for no other reason cause Obama didn’t attend their state of the black union shyt even tho Obama invited those fags to the White House… After that Obama only fukked with Sharpton after that.. it was a no fly zone for them

So its fukk them because they tried to make Obama accountable for black people

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Whoa… this is actually the first time I’ve heard Candace speak. I actually agree with her about the metoo stuff

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

So its fukk them because they tried to make Obama accountable for black people

 

[Gritsngravy]

Aite cool breeze don’t catch a slug below the knee

 

[cyndaquil]

Whats wrong with what I said? Are you gay?

She's a good looking BLACK woman with some views I disagree with. The horror.


Hop off my dikk fakkit. Just because someone has different political views that I do doesn't make them suddenly PHYSICALLY unattractive. Are you 5? Dumb fukking fukk. STFU and dont ever quote me again dummy ass bytch.

Have some standards. I'd rather fukk a fat ugly woman who actually loves me and her melanated skin than a self hating beautiful c00n who wants to be white.

Yall dry dikk thirsty dudes disgust me

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I do agree that much of West’s displeasure with Obama was based on a difference of philosophy and principles, but there was also some personal saltiness there. The fact he can sit here and be pleasant with someone like Candace Owens but damn near called Obama the devil says a lot.

His critiques of Obama never veer into calling him the devil, he's very specific on the policies and attitudes of Obama's that he disagrees with. You can tell he's especially disappointed in him because he worked so hard on campaigning, and expected a lot more. But I'm not sure what's not mature about this take:

Pity the sad legacy of Barack Obama | Cornel West

Our hope and change candidate fell short time and time again. Obama cheerleaders who refused to make him accountable bear some responsibility

www.theguardian.com

Eight years ago the world was on the brink of a grand celebration: the inauguration of a brilliant and charismatic black president of the United States of America. Today we are on the edge of an abyss: the installation of a mendacious and cathartic white president who will replace him.

The age of Barack Obama may have been our last chance to break from our neoliberal soulcraft. We are rooted in market-driven brands that shun integrity and profit-driven policies that trump public goods. Our “post-integrity” and “post-truth” world is suffocated by entertaining brands and money-making activities that have little or nothing to do with truth, integrity or the long-term survival of the planet. We are witnessing the postmodern version of the full-scale gangsterization of the world.

The reign of Obama did not produce the nightmare of Donald Trump – but it did contribute to it. And those Obama cheerleaders who refused to make him accountable bear some responsibility.

A few of us begged and pleaded with Obama to break with the Wall Street priorities and bail out Main Street. But he followed the advice of his “smart” neoliberal advisers to bail out Wall Street. In March 2009, Obama met with Wall Street leaders. He proclaimed: I stand between you and the pitchforks. I am on your side and I will protect you, he promised them. And not one Wall Street criminal executive went to jail.

We called for the accountability of US torturers of innocent Muslims and the transparency of US drone strikes killing innocent civilians. Obama’s administration told us no civilians had been killed. And then we were told a few had been killed. And then told maybe 65 or so had been killed. Yet when an American civilian, Warren Weinstein, was killed in 2015 there was an immediate press conference with deep apologies and financial compensation. And today we still don’t know how many have had their lives taken away.

We hit the streets again with Black Lives Matter and other groups and went to jail for protesting against police killing black youth. We protested when the Israeli Defense Forces killed more than 2,000 Palestinians (including 550 children) in 50 days. Yet Obama replied with words about the difficult plight of police officers, department investigations (with no police going to jail) and the additional $225m in financial support of the Israeli army. Obama said not a mumbling word about the dead Palestinian children but he did call Baltimore black youth “criminals and thugs”.

In addition, Obama’s education policy unleashed more market forces that closed hundreds of public schools for charter ones. The top 1% got nearly two-thirds of the income growth in eight years even as child poverty, especially black child poverty, remained astronomical. Labor insurgencies in Wisconsin, Seattle and Chicago (vigorously opposed by Mayor Rahm Emanuel, a close confidant of Obama) were passed over in silence.

In 2009, Obama called New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg an “outstanding mayor”. Yet he overlooked the fact that more than 4 million people were stopped-and-frisked under Bloomberg’s watch. Along with Carl Dix and others, I sat in a jail two years later for protesting these very same policies that Obama ignored when praising Bloomberg.

Yet the mainstream media and academia failed to highlight these painful truths linked to Obama. Instead, most well-paid pundits on TV and radio celebrated the Obama brand. And most black spokespeople shamelessly defended Obama’s silences and crimes in the name of racial symbolism and their own careerism. How hypocritical to see them now speak truth to white power when most went mute in the face of black power. Their moral authority is weak and their newfound militancy is shallow.

And he's "pleasant" in his personal interactions with Candace Owens because he's pleasant in his personal interactions with literally everyone. That's his personal ethic and also what he believes is most effective for changing hearts and minds. He appears on McInnes and Laura Ingraham and Joe Rogan because he's overtly engaging in a deradicalization effort, and if you read the comments on the videos you can see he's fairly effective at it. His Joe Rogan appearance is probably the best any Black anti-racist has ever done with Rogan's audience.

I mean, look at the comments on this particular debatea and see how West's approach comes off:

@Ltgoat03
I wish I was half as smart and a quarter as patient as Cornell West. The dude listens and responds from a place of such love and respect.


@user-ld8bo2ei2g
I love this brother. Superior intellectual. Not only is he educationally intellectual but he's inclined in his interpersonal skills. He knows how to respectfully engage without demoralizing his opposition. If you don't know this brother take an hour out of your day to study him. God bless you Brother West


@dboy1377
Pay close attention to how Dr. West controls the conversation. No yelling, no overtaking, no belittling, no insults. Just a good intellectual conversation.!


@derkguez8590
I'm a conservative but found a newfound respect for Dr. West. Not a single gotcha response, only genuine pushback. Wow. Impressed.


@austinalpeter6144
Cornell West knows what he's doing. He doesn't push back on a lot of this because he doesn't want to be seen as a threat to the right wing audience this show is intended for. The audience might actually start deradicalizing v trying defend candace. Smart.


@rev.sheathompson
Dr. Cornel West completely owned the conversation! He made excellent points and he proved evidence for his point. That’s why I love the brilliance of Dr. West.


@JackieDen
The only thing I can say about this discussion is that I wish more dialogue like this took place. People spend so much time with others who think like them, they can't converse with someone who has opposing views without turning into emotional maniacs. Also, I love how Dr. West is able to logically critique both parties, while Candace is completely unable to see anything wrong with the party she sides with. There is nothing perfect about either parties; however, she is too biased to see it. It's almost infuriating.

Those are just the comments I pulled off the top, but I scrolled through literally hundreds more and they're all the same. If you can find ONE anti-Cornell West comment in that entire thread then I commend you. He has a manner of engaging in these debates that wins people over without having to virtue-signal how much he despises them.

 

[BlackXCL]

Have some standards. I'd rather fukk a fat ugly woman who actually loves me and her melanated skin than a self hating beautiful c00n who wants to be white.

Yall dry dikk thirsty dudes disgust me

You sensitive Gen Z fukks are softer than baby shyt. Its no wonder you're 300 clear in the red. A bunch of shyt ass posting.

As a grown adult male, I'm able to recognize say: "hey, some people have different beliefs than I do, would I wife her? No, but shes an attractive woman"

You see someone that thinks differently than you do and its 1/10 UGLY MY DOODOO LOOKS BETTER THAN HER FACE LOLOL. Childish.

Limit your p*ssy intake to women that think the exact same way you do, brehs. No thanks. Theres a whole world out there outside of America where this Left and Right bullshyt is irrelevant.

Step outside your bubble for a second and realize that just because someone has different values than you doesn't make them physically UGLY.

We are talking about physical beauty here. Nothing else. Its not that deep. A murderer can be physically beautiful. So can Candace. Shes a pretty black woman and I would fukk her p*ssy into submission and call it a night.

You acting like I said I would marry her.

 

[cyndaquil]

You sensitive Gen Z fukks are softer than baby shyt. Its no wonder you're 300 clear in the red. A bunch of shyt ass posting.

As a grown adult male, I'm able to recognize say: "hey, some people have different beliefs than I do, would I wife her? No, but shes an attractive woman"

You see someone that thinks differently than you do and its 1/10 UGLY MY DOODOO LOOKS BETTER THAN HER FACE LOLOL. Childish.

Limit your p*ssy intake to women that think the exact same way you do, brehs. No thanks. Theres a whole world out there outside of America where this Left and Right bullshyt is irrelevant.

Step outside your bubble for a second and realize that just because someone has different values than you doesn't make them physically UGLY.

We are talking about physical beauty here. Nothing else. Its not that deep. A murderer can be physically beautiful. So can Candace. Shes a pretty black woman and I would fukk her p*ssy into submission and call it a night.

You acting like I said I would marry her.

"You sensitive Gen z fukks..."
Old breh who gets no p*ssy that he would lower himself to fukkin a c00n sellout. Thirsty ass really can't control himself enough to not smash Candace Owen's

 

[Sir Richard Spirit]

Hell, if you wanted to claim it was personal, you'd be better off pointing out that one of Obama's first acts in office was to choose former World Bank chief economist and US Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers to head the National Economic Council. Summers is the exact guy that West had his most public feud with and the reason he left Harvard.

Larry Summers and Cornel West had issues at Harvard and Cornel left.
Crazy

 

[Remote]

How the hell does overly empathetic person like Cornel "debate" someone like Candace Owens?




Candace: You're an idiot.

Cornell: Ah, why thank you my dear sister. For even the biggest of idiots has love You got-ta have love!! ​

Hahahaha

 

[valet]

The belief is that you disagree that you can't get anything accomplished. You can't work together. The people at the top want you to defend their party no matter the costs. So you can't have these convos.

 

[CashmereThoughts]

You can’t speak with right wing republicans or debate them?

I said nothing about right wing Republican. She is not that. She is a token grifter that has been used to cause confusion among black folks and to comfort white supremacist.

she was suing white folks for racism not that long ago.