Contrary to popular belief: The most instrumental player on the Celtics is

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You keep writing these dissertations that are not needed. Your intent doesn't jive with the thread you created. It's simple grammar, sentence construction and making a point. "The most instrumental player is"..."Garnett was" you're making two different statements. All you have to say is "I messed up with my wording" yet you're trying to act like I'm the one missing something. The way you worded it is that Garnett is the most instrumental player on the team now and you used last season, especially the playoffs, to prove that. I disagreed and brought up their value to the team going forward. You keep saying where did you allude to their future as if you had a paragraph dedicated to last season. There's one sentence about last season following a sentence about right now. You're saying don't just read the thread title as if that's all I did. At this point you might as well just say "pretend there isn't a thread title". There's no deflecting going on as you're making posts rebutting a point different than I ever even responded to.

You've got to be kidding me. You're trolling at this point. You're attacking one small conjunction but failing to see the statement in my original post. This is just arguing a small technicality at this point. Pathetic. We don't know who'll be the most important/influential/instrumental player for the Celtics this upcoming season (it's projections), because there's no absolute-criteria to make that statement, however we know who currently holds that title.

Answer me this - WHY ARE YOU THE ONLY ONE WHO DIDN'T COMPREHEND WHAT I WAS SAYING?

And you continue to move the goal posts with every post. Your first post clearly says the folk that make up the majority opinion, then it turns into you were talking about the-coli public

No, read again -

"The audience/public make up the majority opinion (and I'm directing it to the the-coli public, because obviously the outsiders can't respond to me)"

Another statement you misinterpreted. I'm directing it to the folk on here, because obviously the outside can't respond, but I'm talking about public/audience as a WHOLE. Posters on here are part of the public. SMH.

then it goes back to the NBA public and then a tweet from Villanueva and an unsourced story about him saying messed up shyt to Tim Duncan. Your argument is all types of confused on that point. Garnett is respected and has been respected/liked by the media and public throughout his career. His antics get labeled as being veteran savvy and inspirational to his teammates as opposed to being dirty. The media frames the majority public opinion. A player's rep amongst his peers does not necessarily equal his rep in general. Not to mention he's one of those players who everyone says you love playing with and hate playing against. Yes, on a forum like the-coli with a contingent of hardcore bball fans there's a difference of opinion, but that's in no way the majority opinion as the-coli is in no way the majority.

My arugment is not 'all types of confused' at this point. You're aruging about the most pathetic things. So suddenly Garnett is not viewed as a dirty player? WTF. I never ONCE said the-coli was the majority opinion - how the hell do you keep on misconstruing my posts?

"We don’t get any calls, which I know everybody always hears," he said, via the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. "But I'll give you a stat. Last night, we are playing this old, physical team. They are old. I know what happens when you play basketball, old guys foul. [Kevin] Garnett is the dirtiest guy in the league. We are playing Boston last night and they had two fouls the whole first half. We had five times that and we're athletic." - Hawks Co-Owner Michael Gearon Jr.

Garnett has found himself in the "dirtiest player" debate before. It was just last year when the Celtics' star was handed two technical fouls and an ejection after he hit Phoenix's Channing Frye in the groin. Although the shot below the belt was blatant, Garnett boldly stated a few weeks later that he would not apologize for his actions.

"I'm far from dirty. Dirty is like hate. Don't use that word," Garnett said when asked if thought of himself as a "dirty" player. "I'm competitive and I play hard, but don't call me dirty. Just like if you dislike me, dislike me. 'Hate' is a very strong word, just like 'dirty' is a very strong word."

The perception of Garnett goes beyond dirty, though. Some players have accused him of being downright cruel.

In November of last season, Detroit forward Charlie Villanueva accused Garnett of taking trash talk too far by calling him a "cancer patient." Garnett later denied Villanueva's claims in a statement.

Days later, Chicago's Joakin Noah accused Garnett of being mean only to the young guys and the European players.

For all of his fire-breathing antics and questionable interactions with opponents, it's hard to believe that Noah, Frye and Villanueva wouldn't like to have a guy like Garnett on their side.

Kevin Garnett Called 'Dirtiest Player' In NBA By Hawks Co-Owner Michael Gearon Jr.

Is this not an example of the 'media framing the majority opinion' (your words)? Are you living in 2012? Do you even watch the game? Garnett is viewed as a dirty player. Cotdamn. I can't take you seriously if you think the public-perception of KG is more towards 'love' than it is to 'hate'.

But you're just going to say I'm deflecting, so here goes: in the '11/12 season the Celtics defense was the most important facet of the team and led them as far as they got. Garnett was the heart of the defense. His performance in the playoffs was enormous, even though Rondo came through with tremendous games of his own.

Like I said, I wasn't talking about last year, but as far as who is more instrumental/valuable to the team right now which is what the thread says.

Pathetic. That statement ain't saying shyt. First you said you disagreed -

If you want to change the thread to be merely about who contributed more to the success of the team last season then cool, even though I'd still disagree,

To now you saying some sitting on the fence shyt. Why wasn't KG the most valuable/instrumental/influential player last season?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

stop livin in the past

Then what was the point of your original statement?

They pushed the NBA champions to a 7 game series when they are 'supposedly' on their last legs. They pushed the best player of his generation (who's in/near his prime) and TWO other elite players to the brink of elimination.

I think they pretty much exceeded expectations (this season).

 

[Houston911]

Garnett was the most important player for the Celtics in the '11/'12 season.

Why is it that the folk that make up the majority opinion think otherwise? Is this just their hatred for KG? Or is it their inability to understand how the game really works?

umm, i thought this was obvious?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

umm, i thought this was obvious?

Naw -

http://www.the-coli.com/coliseum/45...ondo-2nd-best-player-league-after-durant.html
http://www.the-coli.com/coliseum/9867-best-player-playoffs.html
http://www.the-coli.com/coliseum/44079-espn-ranks-top-25-nba-players.html

+ all the other threads you've got folk saying Rondo is a top 5 player/top 10 player, he's the best player on the team....... and no mention of KG whatsoever. In NBA-related mediums, they saying this too, there's only a small percentage that were/are talking about KG in that light.

I thought it was obvious too.

 

[Houston911]

Naw -

http://www.the-coli.com/coliseum/45...ondo-2nd-best-player-league-after-durant.html
http://www.the-coli.com/coliseum/9867-best-player-playoffs.html
http://www.the-coli.com/coliseum/44079-espn-ranks-top-25-nba-players.html

+ all the other threads you've got folk saying Rondo is a top 5 player/top 10 player, he's the best player on the team....... and no mention of KG whatsoever. In NBA-related mediums, they saying this too, there's only a small percentage that were/are talking about KG in that light.

I thought it was obvious too.

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[Gil Scott-Heroin]

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[Gil Scott-Heroin]

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+ all the other 40+ posters who voted Rondo in http://www.the-coli.com/coliseum/9867-best-player-playoffs-2.html and everybody else who believes Rondo is a better player than KG.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

Of course, been there most important player since he got there, wit no kg it would be any ships, lets say one other top pf(outside of Duncan) was traded and was on the team wit pierce and Allen, wouldn't have won shyt, would have had average offense and defense

 

[AITheAnswerAI]

Oh this is that dude who has an extreme hatred for Rondo...

Did he piss in your cereal breh? Did he deny you an autograph?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Oh this is that dude who has an extreme hatred for Rondo...

Did he piss in your cereal breh? Did he deny you an autograph?

Naw, I'm just bringing you the reality of the situation.

 

[AITheAnswerAI]

Naw, I'm just bringing you the reality of the situation.

You know damn well Rondo does more than what's on the stat sheet to help them win. This team is fukked without either him or KG...but who's gonna be the pg if Rondo is out!?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You know damn well Rondo does more than what's on the stat sheet to help them win. This team is fukked without either him or KG...but who's gonna be the pg if Rondo is out!?

Just like EVERY other single player in the league does shyt for their team that doesn't show up on the stat sheet - your point?

I've already tackled that other issue - go and read what I posted.

 

[HollywoodP]

If KG was the most instrumental player on the C's then thats prolly why they got their ass kicked. Need to hand the reins to Rondo. The only nikka on that squad that I respect...cuz he showed heart playing with that elbow injury.

Spoiler

but he's still a Celdikk...so fukk em'

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

If KG was the most instrumental player on the C's then thats prolly why they got their ass kicked. Need to hand the reins to Rondo. The only nikka on that squad that I respect...cuz he showed heart playing with that elbow injury.

Spoiler

but he's still a Celdikk...so fukk em'

They had the #1 defense in the league, regular season + playoffs when Garnett was on the floor. The problems weren't their defense, it was their offense. And they hardly got their ass kicked, they were on the verge of making the Heat the laughing stock of the league.

 

[HollywoodP]

They had the #1 defense in the league, regular season + playoffs when Garnett was on the floor. The problems weren't their defense, it was their offense. And they hardly got their ass kicked, they were on the verge of making the Heat the laughing stock of the league.

So thats what your hanging your hat on...ALMOST beating the Heat?

Nobody's gonna remember that shyt...everyones gonna remember them losing to the Heat for the 2nd straight year...and Chris Bosh being absent from 4 of those games. And then Ray Allen switching sides on some "if you can't beat em...join em" type shyt.