Congrats. Alt-Righters and Cornel West fans forced Ta-Nehisi Coates of Twitter

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Like it would be different if people were pulling out and quoting specific lines from his work to critique and offering constructive criticism. But this forum always goes super left and extra with the hate to the point where you can't even have a productive dialogue. It holds back the power this platform holds in terms of sharing ideas and building honestly.
Seriously. That is the perfect way to describe it. From Obama, to Coates lmao. Just admit you don't personally like his work and keep it moving. But to attach some misconception about " liberal shills" to validate your dislike is ridiculous lmao.

Ngl I read some of these comments and :dahell:
Its so fukking toxic.

Dudes want radicals all the goddamn time.

Coates can't do the work of HUNDREDS of white writers in the same space.

Coates merely reflects society as it is. He's not out here trying to give you a path forward. Why should he?
 

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nah that's not what I said. Coates goes into these all white campus's and gets paid to talk his shyt

I use to go to an HBCU that was damn near falling apart and i watched EVERYBODY involved with NCOBRA come and speak one day
NCOBRA Online - Website for the National Coalition of Blacks

and it was outside the student center, we were in lawn chairs and they set up loudspeakers

your boy gets paid to talk to the white elite's kids in big ass auditoriums about what this organization actually is fighting for.
BRUH...CORNEL WEST GAVE A SPEECH FOR CLOSE TO A 50K AT MY SCHOOL WHEN I WAS IN UNDERGRAD

THE FUXK YOU TALKING ABOUT?!
 

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Coates does not see his role as providing solutions.

Again, theres a handful of black writers that are even respected on a wide scale.

Now you want him to not just be a writer, but to be the congressman, activist, and preacher too? How about the plumber and mechanic?


respected by who?

I never said he or cornel west needs to do anything they are grown men. again why are you trying so hard to gas this up?
 

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this is why you public policy shills are so goddamn stupid. its obvious you work for the establishment old guard democratic party or some other eurocentric think tank group dedicated to finding out where black folks stand politically. tell all your white sponsors the reason why your hand picket puppets aren't picking up any grass roots steam is because of comments like this. you corporate whores don't listen to the customer then wonder why black folks collectively stay home at elections. when we ask for what we get for supporting the shills you europeans prop up we get back talk. you just don't get it
All you do is speak in generalities.

I'm not a far left economist. I'm very far left socially.

In fact, Coates is way far to the left than I am economically.

But with all that said, I don't ever see a history where far left economics helped blacks...because when blacks want the same economics, white people tried to exclude them from those same benefits and access.

I extensively highlighted this in this thread: http://www.thecoli.com/threads/econ...l-until-non-white-people-want-benefits.591481

I wholly support there being more black focused think-tanks.
 

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Damn I've unfollowed Rod and stopped listening to their show because of how they spend so much time shytting on black men, but its good to see him speak on black-atheism. He's right on all these tweets. :ehh: Even on the coli nikkas really be ready to fight an atheist and challenge their blackness over it.
 

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Just finished "We Were Eight Years in Power"

What a powerful writer Coates is! I bought all his other books and plan on reading them once the year starts.

I don't get the hate for Coates he is a writer and intellectual.
 

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I never got that vibe reading his work tbh. I don't think he focused on providing solutions but he didn't necessarily say that we should roll over and accept it.

I get that people can interpret texts differently, but whenever I hear this type of criticism, I wonder if yall even fully comprehend coates work.
@EastCoastNaga clearly hasn't read Coates work.

 

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Just finished "We Were Eight Years in Power"

What a powerful writer Coates is! I bought all his other books and plan on reading them once the year starts.

I don't get the hate for Coates he is a writer and intellectual.
a lot of the hate seems to be from people that never actually read anything he's ever written, they just have an idea in their mind that he's a certain way. combined with the fact that he doesn't offer "hope"...whatever that means. Sounds like he doesn't say "in the name of Jesus" at the end of his writings or something and it pisses people off.
 

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On West on Coates
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On December 17, 2017

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At 7:00 pm

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Leftist criticisms of Ta-Nehisi Coates have become their own weird cottage industry in the last year or so. Cornel West has been part of the genre, and today published a blistering attack on Coates in The Guardian. (I very carefully phrase this as an attack on Coates, personally, and not a review of Coates’ latest book, We Were Eight Years In Power, because I don’t think that West actually read that book and is not engaged in good faith with it.)

The gist of West’s take is that Coates focuses so much on the totalizing oppressiveness of white supremacy and fetishizes the Obama presidency so significantly that he offers us nothing of value in service of the struggle. And, because we live in 2017 and it’s cool for leftists to call other leftists neoliberals if their political worldviews don’t conform exactly to their own expectations, West accuses Coates of being part of a larger neoliberal agenda that is preventing the One True Revolution (TM) from coming to fruition.

West is right about this: Coates’ writing “generates crocodile tears of neoliberals who have no intention of sharing power or giving up privilege.” Liberals do love Coates, and to the best of my knowledge have done little to translate their subsequent angst into action.

He’s wrong about pretty much everything else.

My basic critique of West’s critique is that he isn’t even arguing with Coates’ work in anything approaching good faith. Anyone that has read Coates understands that he is deeply cynical about America, and that his animating preoccupation is white supremacy’s central role in constructing our society. West sees this as giving too much power to white supremacy and not enough agency to the courageous struggle against it — what West calls the black “fightback.” West is doing two things here: 1) he is ignoring the attention that Coates has paid to black freedom fighters within the scope of his work (to claim the most obvious among many examples, We Were Eight Years in Power takes its title from and begins with the words of Reconstruction-era political leader Thomas Miller, who fought back — however unsuccessfully — against the rising tide of white supremacy in late-1800s America); and 2) he is demanding that Coates write something completely different than what Coates set out to write. Critiquing something for what you wanted it to be, rather than for what it is and what its author wanted it to be, is a common problem in academia. And so here too, it is in the world of social analysis and political thought. Because Coates has written books about the power of white supremacy rather than writing books about how to upend white supremacy (which are two related but very different projects), West deems Coates worse than useless.

This leads to a series of terrible takes. West is particularly aghast at what he sees as Coates’ overly sympathetic stance toward Obama (with whom West has also had public though ultimately unrequited beef). West tries to cast Coates as a starry-eyed and uncritical lover of the Obama presidency, based upon the pieces of We Were Eight Years in Power that West may have read or skimmed. But a central piece of that book, and of all of Coates’ writings on Obama, lies in Coates trying to reconcile the promise that many of us saw in Obama — that his election maybe signaled the best of us and that his presidency might shepherd the same — with the realities of what he did in office. No one who consistently read Coates over the years, or read his recent book entirely, could honestly cast him as an uncritical Obama lapdog.

The same could be said for West’s accusation that Coates’ “narrow racial tribalism and myopic political neoliberalism has no place for keeping track of Wall Street greed, US imperial crimes or black elite indifference to poverty.” It’s true that We Were Eight Years in Power doesn’t have a lot of specific analyses of American empire, even though it — as with most of Coates’ work — proceeds from the acknowledgment that America was built on stolen lands and labor and thus was, in many ways, imperial from the jump. But beyond that, this is essentially West critiquing Coates for not writing a Cornel West book. Why is Coates expected to write about “black elite indifference to poverty?” In what way is that a condemnable offense? And, for that matter, what about Coates’ relentless, deeply researched writing on poverty and exploitation? And, relatedly, given that Coates’ entire intellectual framework for thinking about America’s racial (racist) history could be distilled to the word “plunder,” how can West argue that capitalist greed isn’t part of his analysis? In general, how, in good conscience, can West write that sentence?

The answer, of course, is that West can write that sentence because he see Coates as part of a huge cross-section of the left that is a nail in need of hammering with the “neoliberal” stamp. Cornel West considers anything that doesn’t have the Cornel West “proper revolutionary politics” seal of approval to be illegitimate, and that’s unfortunate. The truth is that we have always needed chroniclers as well as street-marchers, researchers as well as revolutionaries. James Baldwin was a chronicler. Kenneth Clark was a researcher. Their impacts on the black freedom struggle were significant. West criticizing Coates because he makes the power of white supremacy more intelligible for hundreds of thousands of readers, but doesn’t instruct white readers explicitly on how to relinquish their power and give forth their wealth, is the definition of bad-faith arguing. It’s not unexpected from Cornel West these days, but it’s disappointing nonetheless.
 

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Damn I've unfollowed Rod and stopped listening to their show because of how they spend so much time shytting on black men, but its good to see him speak on black-atheism. He's right on all these tweets. :ehh: Even on the coli nikkas really be ready to fight an atheist and challenge their blackness over it.
That dude always been a mega sambo

Even back on Sohh
He stayed shytting on black males:wow:

His fat ass just bitter
 

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Why does coates get so many threads on this site :jbhmm:

And how come every single person who doesn't stan him gets called dumb or gets told they don't know what they are talking about :jbhmm:

The white people who promote his type would rather us read Coates or West instead of Dr. Amos Wilson or Dr. Frances Cress Welsing or Dr. Claud Anderson. They know who to promote and who to label as "radical". Anyone who actually wants black people to not depend on eurocentrism will be demonized by white groups like @4d 6f 6e 65 79 they have a vested interest in keeping us docile.
 

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The white people who promote his type would rather us read Coates or West instead of Dr. Amos Wilson or Dr. Frances Cress Welsing or Dr. Claud Anderson. They know who to promote and who to label as "radical". Anyone who actually wants black people to not depend on eurocentrism will be demonized by white groups like @4d 6f 6e 65 79 they have a vested interest in keeping us docile.
Nice backtrack.

Now you're grouping Coates AND West when you came in here to defend West.

Stop trolling.

Coates is legitimate. Now you're saying Coates promotes Eurocentrism :laff:

The dude was raised by Black Panthers

Stop it son.
 
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