Conflict uproots record 6.9 million people in Congo - IOM

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I dunno about this. I don't think this needs nonblack people to do anything.

Rwanda's neighbors Uganda , Kenya, and (farther away) TZ easily dwarf rwanda industrially , economically, militarily, and population wise. They just need to apply pressure. Their leverage is great.


If they wanted to, they could all literally cut off rwanda from ports in the Indian ocean and snuff their economy out for infringing on Congolese sovereignty. It doesn't even need to be a military effort. Sanctions alone could stop Rwandan fckery in eastern congo. But it requires a unified east African front. If they could buy off south Sudan, then their would be no Nile trading for rwanda in addition to no eastern port access until they stopped their covert ops in congo.
Ok let's just use black people.

I grew up around black people from all over the Diaspora. Every couple of years you might hear some Congolese people making noise a out this in going conflict.

The West Indian people I know aren't saying a peep about this conflict but have something to say about Israel/Palestine.

Africans I know from all ends of the continent have not said anything either but are extremely vocal about the Israel/Palestine conflict, especially the Somalis and north Africans going to protest every week in my city.


Isn't south Sudan going through a civil war right now? Aren't there isn't an ongoing battle right in the middle of the nile?


I haven't heard any smoke for Rwanda, I see what your proposing but which nation is saying to do that? What you said makes sense and us a great strategy but it's a hypothetical.

You in all honesty believe African countries are gonna sanction Rwanda?
 

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so we should tell the US to stop sending weapons/aid...

explain who we should stop sending money to in the congo conflict?
I think he's just talking about the social media presence.

A bunch of Ethiopian on social media were talking about how Tigrayan women are getting raped at crazy rates during the latest conflict and not a peep from all these people worried about the Israel/Palestine conflict.
 

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I think he's just talking about the social media presence.

A bunch of Ethiopian on social media were talking about how Tigrayan women are getting raped at crazy rates during the latest conflict and not a peep from all these people worried about the Israel/Palestine conflict.

Because these are intra-nation multi-ethnic conflicts where all sides are getting raw deals and there isn't this clear binary for people to put their weight behind. Amharas/Tigrayans/Oromos are all suffering over a dumb scramble for power.

I think what can be agreed on is Abiy needs to go but thats an individual but there was smoke even before he rose to power and got that sham Nobel Peace Prize.

Speak on it

Because the core issue is what it means to be Rwandan or Congolese and it radicalizes people like Banyamulenge in Kivu. You tell people they don't belong in a place they lived 100s of years and it opens up outside forces to puppeteer them.

You can sanction and stop aide but this stretches back 100s of years and is a ticking time bomb unless you have both countries push past these myopic identities they've bought into. I believe former Tanzanian president Nyerere spoke to this.

And even *if* that is figured out, DRC has a lot of other issues that are huge barriers to realizing its potential.
 

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Because these are intra-nation multi-ethnic conflicts where all sides are getting raw deals and there isn't this clear binary for people to put their weight behind. Amharas/Tigrayans/Oromos are all suffering over a dumb scramble for power.

I think what can be agreed on is Abiy needs to go but thats an individual but there was smoke even before he rose to power and got that sham Nobel Peace Prize.



Because the core issue is what it means to be Rwandan or Congolese and it radicalizes people like Banyamulenge in Kivu. You tell people they don't belong in a place they lived 100s of years and it opens up outside forces to puppeteer them.

You can sanction and stop aide but this stretches back 100s of years and is a ticking time bomb unless you have both countries push past these myopic identities they've bought into. I believe former Tanzanian president Nyerere spoke to this.

And even *if* that is figured out, DRC has a lot of other issues that are huge barriers to realizing its potential.

Most Banyamulenge were encouraged to settle in Kivu by the Belgians. Not “100s of years.”

The fact is that Rwanda, a Tutsi-led regime, is arming and funding ethnic Tutsi rebels in DR Congo.

DR Congo’s sovereignty should be respected. If Pres. Tshisekedi was arming and training Hutu rebels that launched periodic invasions of Rwanda, you know Kagame and his ilk would be screaming to high-heaven.

Hutu-led Burundi is now encountering issues with Rwanda and closed borders with Rwanda. They’re bad for the neighbourhood.
 

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Most Banyamulenge were encouraged to settle in Kivu by the Belgians. Not “100s of years.”
Wrong but cool and very convenient story bro.

You cant quantify “most.” What can be said is there have been Tutsi migration waves into Kivu since at least the 1600.

And no matter how long….they are there and will be so sanctions/embargoes wont fix the core issue of “identity.”

But I don’t find myself agreeing with you on much so not going to go back and forth.
 

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Wrong but cool and very convenient story bro.

You cant quantify “most.” What can be said is there have been Tutsi migration waves into Kivu since at least the 1600.

And no matter how long….they are there and will be so sanctions/embargoes wont fix the core issue of “identity.”

But I don’t find myself agreeing with you on much so not going to go back and forth.

You sound Tutsi or a Tutsi-sympathizer.

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Excuse my ignorance, alot of my African brehs are bigging up Burkina Faso (which is correct, the president looks like he's making moves... But we know what power does) but what are other African Nations doing for Congo, again excuse my ignorance but I don't think they're doing enough.

How did a rebel group take over one of the largest city's in arguably Africans most resource rich country. We all know how important Congo is to the world. The way white people form like voltron for Ukraine/Israel and Arabs for Palestine/middle east.

How come Black nations aren't sending troops by the boatload, you can't depend on non black people.
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It's a damn shame, I know enough people who were displaced because of the conflicts. Back on HS my classmates mom would go around different schools telling her story about how she survived being raped by rebels for days and protected her children from: kidnapping, raping and other violence.

The Trauma is real, she lost a few kids to suicide, severe mental health issues and I heard rumours of one of them is involved with prostitution.
 

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DRC tells UN the Rwanda-backed rebel advance is 'a declaration of war'​

Democratic Republic Of Congo
1/26/25
The Democratic Republic of Congo’s foreign minister on Sunday warned that an “attack of unprecedented intensity is taking place in plain sight of the world”.
Thérèse Kayikwamba Wagner was speaking at an emergency session of the United Nations Security Council.
''Additional Rwandan troops have crossed the boundary markers 12 and 13 of the crossing between Goma and Gisenyi, penetrating into our land in broad daylight, in open and deliberate violation of our national sovereignty.



She described the move as “a frontal aggression, a declaration of war, which no longer hides itself behind diplomatic manoeuvres”.
Her comments came as M23 rebels, who have vowed to defence Tutsi interests, and allied Rwandan forces entered the outskirts of Goma in the eastern DRC.
The Rwandan-backed rebel group has made significant territorial gains in the region in recent weeks.
Goma, the provincial capital, is home to around two million people and a regional hub for security and humanitarian efforts.
Rwanda which denies backing the rebels, for its part blamed the fighting on the DRC’s support for the Democratic Forces for the Liberation of Rwanda (FDLR).
The group was founded by Hutus who fled Rwanda after taking part in the 1994 genocide of Tutsis and moderate Hutus.
“For the last three decades, instability, attacks, infiltration, shelling and loss of life due to armed groups activities on Rwandan territory have come singularly from across the border, from DRC,” said Ernest Rwamucyo, Rwanda’s ambassador to the UN.
“Why is DRC preserving the FDLR, making it a strategic ally? DRC must disengage, neutralize and completely expel FDLR from its territory so that we can have peace,” he said.
UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres on Sunday urged Rwandan troops to leave the DRC and cease aiding M23 rebels nearing Goma.
The rebel group on Monday claimed to have captured the city.
Several foreign peacekeepers have been killed in the mounting violence around Goma.
 
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