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Someone tell this dude he's a fakkit for dissing Big L
Someone tell this dude he's a fakkit for dissing Big L
Complex's Top 11 "great" rappers who never had a "Classic" album..
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Rapmastermind
Superstar
I'd argue that Busta Debut is a Classic Album. "Whoo Ha" is a Classic song too. Big L debut is a Underground Classic (or Cult Hip Hop Classic) also.
AlbertPullhoez
The Takeover
List actually seems decent to me. Really every rapper on that list doesnt have a definite bonafide classic album. At best they have "arguable" classics that would be up for debate.
Animal House
Superstar
Can someone post that list i want a good laugh without him clicking links
SummerNights
Pro
Luda ain't got no classic? 
Big L ain't got no classic?
Big L ain't got no classic?
Man I'm boycotting Complex til they change that wack ass format
Only on the internet
Big L's album I understand but SoI is a certified Hip Hop classic breh
Prince Akeem
Its not that deep breh....
1st off some of those rappers aren't particularly "great" in the first place (Banks,Nikki,Royce,Fab,Julez) so its no shock they don't a album on that level.
2nd off add Eminem to that list.
2nd off add Eminem to that list.
Big L's album I understand but SoI is a certified Hip Hop classic breh
Nobody mentions Ras Kass in real life. I mean he's dope lyrically and has stand out tracks but
dakidbanks
Superstar
IS JADAKISS ON THIS LIST?
overrated ass motherfukker, the 16s are nice tho
They got Jada as the pic on the main article before even going into the list like he's the definitive artist of bein "great" with no "classic"
I think The Coming is DEFINITELY a classic, if for nothing else than for his song with Zhane alone. So fukk them off the bat for that one.
Word of Mouf is a classic, mebbe not universally recognized as such, though. So I can see the argument there, MAYBE .
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at Soul On Ice not being a classic album, though. They should be slapped for that one.
Word of Mouf is a classic, mebbe not universally recognized as such, though. So I can see the argument there, MAYBE .
but
and at Soul On Ice not being a classic album, though. They should be slapped for that one.
Michael Knight
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Busta
Age: 40
Albums: The Coming (1996), When Disaster Strikes... (1997), E.L.E. (Extinction Level Event): The Final World Front (1998), Anarchy (2000), Genesis (2001), It Ain't Safe No More... (2002), The Big Bang (2006), Back On My B.S. (2009), Year Of The Dragon (2012)
Throughout the highs and lows of his career, Busta Rhymes always seems to find a way to be relevant, mostly because hes one of the most idiosyncratic characters rap has ever seen. Hes a true original, not a novelty act. Hes spent the last 20 years making a ton of classic singles and memorable videos by filling tracks with his signature manic energy.
Unfortunately, even though a few of his albums are considered pretty good, none of them are classics because they often had with too much filler (five of his first six albums clock in at over an hour). Busta is still incredible on the mic, but weve basically seen his bag of tricks.
Albums: The Coming (1996), When Disaster Strikes... (1997), E.L.E. (Extinction Level Event): The Final World Front (1998), Anarchy (2000), Genesis (2001), It Ain't Safe No More... (2002), The Big Bang (2006), Back On My B.S. (2009), Year Of The Dragon (2012)
Throughout the highs and lows of his career, Busta Rhymes always seems to find a way to be relevant, mostly because hes one of the most idiosyncratic characters rap has ever seen. Hes a true original, not a novelty act. Hes spent the last 20 years making a ton of classic singles and memorable videos by filling tracks with his signature manic energy.
Unfortunately, even though a few of his albums are considered pretty good, none of them are classics because they often had with too much filler (five of his first six albums clock in at over an hour). Busta is still incredible on the mic, but weve basically seen his bag of tricks.
Age: 34
Albums: Ghetto Fabolous (2001), Street Dreams (2003), Real Talk (2004), From Nothin' To Somethin' (2007), Loso's Way (2009)
Fab is a streetwise rapper who can flow forever and hes had legendary moments in the mixtape game, and hes never struggled with scoring pop hits. In the last 10 years hes had eight Top 40 hits, including the unforgettable Just Blaze produced classic, Breathe.
The problem for Fab isnt that he lacks diversity, its that hes always overestimated his diversity and would usually just spread himself too thin on albums. Worse yet, what the Brooklyn rhymer has always sorely lacked is emotional delivery.
Nearly all of Fabs rhymes sound like theyre coming from a slick playboy, which is great sometimes but tiresome, too. And finally, few of Fabs tracks (save for the aforementioned Breathe) have ever been mindblowing, even if they were great in the club. Fab might be known for his one of a kind punchlines, but hes not known for his one of a kind albums.
Albums: Ghetto Fabolous (2001), Street Dreams (2003), Real Talk (2004), From Nothin' To Somethin' (2007), Loso's Way (2009)
Fab is a streetwise rapper who can flow forever and hes had legendary moments in the mixtape game, and hes never struggled with scoring pop hits. In the last 10 years hes had eight Top 40 hits, including the unforgettable Just Blaze produced classic, Breathe.
The problem for Fab isnt that he lacks diversity, its that hes always overestimated his diversity and would usually just spread himself too thin on albums. Worse yet, what the Brooklyn rhymer has always sorely lacked is emotional delivery.
Nearly all of Fabs rhymes sound like theyre coming from a slick playboy, which is great sometimes but tiresome, too. And finally, few of Fabs tracks (save for the aforementioned Breathe) have ever been mindblowing, even if they were great in the club. Fab might be known for his one of a kind punchlines, but hes not known for his one of a kind albums.
Age: 35
Albums: Back For The First Time (2000), Word of Mouf (2001), Chicken-n-Beer (2003), The Red Light District (2004), Release Therapy (2006), Theater of the Mind (2008), Battle of the Sexes (2010)
Ludacris has had so many hits and classic anthems (we still get hyped when his Move bytch verse comes on) you would think that he has a classic in there somewhere. Even though his first three albums were highly entertaining, they did lack a certain maturity and nuance.
Maybe thats why, since then, Ludas cut his hair and got more serious, but as a result hes somehow lost some of the edge and most of the humor that made him a star in the first place. The funny part is at this point, Ludas has been a part of more Oscar-winning movies than classic rap albums. If someone would have told us that back when he was making songs that went, Yous a hoe! we would have never believed them.
Albums: Back For The First Time (2000), Word of Mouf (2001), Chicken-n-Beer (2003), The Red Light District (2004), Release Therapy (2006), Theater of the Mind (2008), Battle of the Sexes (2010)
Ludacris has had so many hits and classic anthems (we still get hyped when his Move bytch verse comes on) you would think that he has a classic in there somewhere. Even though his first three albums were highly entertaining, they did lack a certain maturity and nuance.
Maybe thats why, since then, Ludas cut his hair and got more serious, but as a result hes somehow lost some of the edge and most of the humor that made him a star in the first place. The funny part is at this point, Ludas has been a part of more Oscar-winning movies than classic rap albums. If someone would have told us that back when he was making songs that went, Yous a hoe! we would have never believed them.
Age: 37
Albums: Kiss Tha Game Goodbye (2001), Kiss Of Death (2004), The Last Kiss (2009)
Armed with a raspy voice, some of the hardest bars youll ever hear, and a countless number of great verses, Jadakiss was built to be a legendary rapper. Not only that, but hes an influential rapperat one point in the early Aughts it felt like every single rapper was riffing off his style.
He even famously quipped that he was, Top 5, dead or alive, and thats just off one LP. But heres the problem with that line and his catalog in general: That LP, his debut, Kiss Tha Game Goodbye, is his best album... but its not really that good.
The problem with all of Jadas solo albums was that he always tried too hard to please every crowd. While hes an undisputed king of street anthems, he simply wasn't apt at making quality commercial rap records, but he kept on trying to.
If he would have just stuck to doing what does best, he could have at least made a hardcore album that lived up to his potential (like his groupmate Styles P has done with his underrated solo albums). Instead, hes frustrated his fan base with uneven efforts that chased the commercial fame he was never meant to have.
Albums: Kiss Tha Game Goodbye (2001), Kiss Of Death (2004), The Last Kiss (2009)
Armed with a raspy voice, some of the hardest bars youll ever hear, and a countless number of great verses, Jadakiss was built to be a legendary rapper. Not only that, but hes an influential rapperat one point in the early Aughts it felt like every single rapper was riffing off his style.
He even famously quipped that he was, Top 5, dead or alive, and thats just off one LP. But heres the problem with that line and his catalog in general: That LP, his debut, Kiss Tha Game Goodbye, is his best album... but its not really that good.
The problem with all of Jadas solo albums was that he always tried too hard to please every crowd. While hes an undisputed king of street anthems, he simply wasn't apt at making quality commercial rap records, but he kept on trying to.
If he would have just stuck to doing what does best, he could have at least made a hardcore album that lived up to his potential (like his groupmate Styles P has done with his underrated solo albums). Instead, hes frustrated his fan base with uneven efforts that chased the commercial fame he was never meant to have.
Age: 30
Albums: The Hunger For More (2004), Rotten Apple (2006), H.F.M. 2 (Hunger For More 2) (2010)
For a brief period, Lloyd Banks was the shyt. Back in the early days of 50 Cents career, when he was absolutely destroying the mixtape game along with his G-Unit cohorts, Banks was primed to be the next to blow after 50.
And why not? Back then the the Punchline King was earning his crown with every laugh out loud bar (She can get me off like Cochran) and occasionally outshining 50 (they didnt call it Banks Victory for nothing).
Although Banks debut, The Hunger For More, was a success (he scored a hit single and a platinum plaque) his album wasnt the full blown G-Unit classic it should have been (that was Games debut album) and it wasnt even the best G-Unit album of that year (that was Young Bucks debut).
Which is fine, he was a young rapper whod have more shots. The problem was, his second album suffered from a sophomore slump and G-Units stronghold on the game was coming to an end.
Banks would have faded into complete irrelevancy if it wasnt for his Juelz Santana-assisted single, "Beamer, Benz, or Bentley," which renewed interest in the Queens-bred lyricist. His third album was a strong effort but it was too little, too late for him to fulfill his promise from nearly a decade ago.
Coupled with 50 recently calling him out for laziness, hes left fans and critics alike saying, Damn homie, in high school you was the man homie, the fukk happened to you?
Albums: The Hunger For More (2004), Rotten Apple (2006), H.F.M. 2 (Hunger For More 2) (2010)
For a brief period, Lloyd Banks was the shyt. Back in the early days of 50 Cents career, when he was absolutely destroying the mixtape game along with his G-Unit cohorts, Banks was primed to be the next to blow after 50.
And why not? Back then the the Punchline King was earning his crown with every laugh out loud bar (She can get me off like Cochran) and occasionally outshining 50 (they didnt call it Banks Victory for nothing).
Although Banks debut, The Hunger For More, was a success (he scored a hit single and a platinum plaque) his album wasnt the full blown G-Unit classic it should have been (that was Games debut album) and it wasnt even the best G-Unit album of that year (that was Young Bucks debut).
Which is fine, he was a young rapper whod have more shots. The problem was, his second album suffered from a sophomore slump and G-Units stronghold on the game was coming to an end.
Banks would have faded into complete irrelevancy if it wasnt for his Juelz Santana-assisted single, "Beamer, Benz, or Bentley," which renewed interest in the Queens-bred lyricist. His third album was a strong effort but it was too little, too late for him to fulfill his promise from nearly a decade ago.
Coupled with 50 recently calling him out for laziness, hes left fans and critics alike saying, Damn homie, in high school you was the man homie, the fukk happened to you?
Age: 37
Albums: Can-I-Bus (1998), 2000 B.C. (Before Can-I-Bus) (2000), C True Hollywood Stories (2001), Mic Club: The Curriculum (2002), Rip the Jacker (2003), Mind Control (2005), Hip-Hop For Sale (2005), For Whom the Beat Tolls (2007), Melatonin Magik (2010), C of Tranquility (2010), Lyrical Law (2011)
It might hurt some of his Internet fanboys to hear this, but no rapper wasted their moment in the sun quite like Canibus did. When he first came out, Canibus was seen as a lyricist with a gruff voice and enough syllables to make your head spin. In other words, he was hardcore raps answer to the "jiggy" players of the day. To top it off, he got into a high profile beef with LL Cool J and unleashed one of the best hip-hop diss songs of all time.
But when he dropped his absolute fail of a debut album he squandered his best chance of making a classic and becoming a true star. He would later blame his shortcomings on producer Wyclef Jean, which was fine, but his subsequent albums werent any better and as time went on, the general public lost interest in hearing a guy rap like he was reciting the dictionary.
(Sidebar: Canibus also deserves to be taken to task for his series of absolutely bizarre decisions. Were not just talking about him recently dissing J. Cole for no reason and then apologizing about it. Or the time he started dissing Eminem for no reason. But for doing things like showing up to the VMAs in silver body paint. Seriously, what the fukk was that?)
Albums: Can-I-Bus (1998), 2000 B.C. (Before Can-I-Bus) (2000), C True Hollywood Stories (2001), Mic Club: The Curriculum (2002), Rip the Jacker (2003), Mind Control (2005), Hip-Hop For Sale (2005), For Whom the Beat Tolls (2007), Melatonin Magik (2010), C of Tranquility (2010), Lyrical Law (2011)
It might hurt some of his Internet fanboys to hear this, but no rapper wasted their moment in the sun quite like Canibus did. When he first came out, Canibus was seen as a lyricist with a gruff voice and enough syllables to make your head spin. In other words, he was hardcore raps answer to the "jiggy" players of the day. To top it off, he got into a high profile beef with LL Cool J and unleashed one of the best hip-hop diss songs of all time.
But when he dropped his absolute fail of a debut album he squandered his best chance of making a classic and becoming a true star. He would later blame his shortcomings on producer Wyclef Jean, which was fine, but his subsequent albums werent any better and as time went on, the general public lost interest in hearing a guy rap like he was reciting the dictionary.
(Sidebar: Canibus also deserves to be taken to task for his series of absolutely bizarre decisions. Were not just talking about him recently dissing J. Cole for no reason and then apologizing about it. Or the time he started dissing Eminem for no reason. But for doing things like showing up to the VMAs in silver body paint. Seriously, what the fukk was that?)
Age: 29
Albums: From Me To U (2003), What The Game's Been Missing! (2005),
Juelz Santana had it all. He was down with Dipset, he was steadily improving as a rapper, he contributed to classic albums (Diplomatic Immunity, Purple Haze), was on hits (Oh Boy, "Hey Ma," "Run It"), and scored his own hits ("There It Go (The Whistle Song)"). He was young, fresh, had street cred, and the girls liked him.
So what if his first two albums werent perfect? By 2007, Juelz was poised to break out thanks in part to his excellent Just Blaze-produced single, The Second Coming. He was homeboys with the Best Rapper Alive, Lil Wayne (back when he really was the Best Rapper Alive), and they were going to do an album together, I Cant Feel My Face.
What went wrong? Well, his album Born To Lose, Built To Win was endlessly delayed and has yet to be released. Ditto for his collaborative album with Wayne. Combine that with Dipsets brief but poorly timed breakup and youll see why Santana missed his moment when he could have made a classic.
The saddest part about all this was when, in the midst of the groups turmoil, Camron called out Santana for being a drug addict. We cant say that its certainly true, but it could explain Santanas severe lack of productivity. Still, heres to hoping he can come back like crushed up Adderall cooked crack.
Albums: From Me To U (2003), What The Game's Been Missing! (2005),
Juelz Santana had it all. He was down with Dipset, he was steadily improving as a rapper, he contributed to classic albums (Diplomatic Immunity, Purple Haze), was on hits (Oh Boy, "Hey Ma," "Run It"), and scored his own hits ("There It Go (The Whistle Song)"). He was young, fresh, had street cred, and the girls liked him.
So what if his first two albums werent perfect? By 2007, Juelz was poised to break out thanks in part to his excellent Just Blaze-produced single, The Second Coming. He was homeboys with the Best Rapper Alive, Lil Wayne (back when he really was the Best Rapper Alive), and they were going to do an album together, I Cant Feel My Face.
What went wrong? Well, his album Born To Lose, Built To Win was endlessly delayed and has yet to be released. Ditto for his collaborative album with Wayne. Combine that with Dipsets brief but poorly timed breakup and youll see why Santana missed his moment when he could have made a classic.
The saddest part about all this was when, in the midst of the groups turmoil, Camron called out Santana for being a drug addict. We cant say that its certainly true, but it could explain Santanas severe lack of productivity. Still, heres to hoping he can come back like crushed up Adderall cooked crack.
Age: 39
Albums: Soul On Ice (1996), Rasassination (1998), Institutionalized (2005), A.D.I.D.A.S. (All Day I Dream About Spittin) (2010)
Everyone can agree that Ras Kass is a great lyricist. Hes always had a cocky attitude that made him seem convinced that he was the greatest rapper ever. Too bad he couldnt find the greatest producers. His first two albums were marred by shytty production unworthy for a rapper of his talents.
Right when he seemed like he was on the verge of putting it all together on third album, Van Gogh (which featured production from DJ Premier and Dr. Dre), he ran into label troubles and later an unfortunate arrest for D.U.I. which landed him in jail. The double whammy killed his momentum and his career has never been the same since.
Albums: Soul On Ice (1996), Rasassination (1998), Institutionalized (2005), A.D.I.D.A.S. (All Day I Dream About Spittin) (2010)
Everyone can agree that Ras Kass is a great lyricist. Hes always had a cocky attitude that made him seem convinced that he was the greatest rapper ever. Too bad he couldnt find the greatest producers. His first two albums were marred by shytty production unworthy for a rapper of his talents.
Right when he seemed like he was on the verge of putting it all together on third album, Van Gogh (which featured production from DJ Premier and Dr. Dre), he ran into label troubles and later an unfortunate arrest for D.U.I. which landed him in jail. The double whammy killed his momentum and his career has never been the same since.
Age: 24 (at the time of his death)
Albums: Lifestylez Ov Da Poor & Dangerous (1995), The Big Picture (2000), 139 & Lenox (2009), Return of the Devil's Son (2010), The Danger Zone (2011)
Big L was a fantastic rapper who was sadly only able to essentially make two albums. Although his debut, Lifestylez Ov Da Poor & Dangerous, had many flashes of brilliance that showcased his wit and rhyme style, it suffered from poor production and felt more patched together than a thematically unified project.
His second album was released shortly after his death but it only cemented his legacy as someone who was about to blow but never did. And spare us the whole But you dont know about his underground classics! because as the great Zadie Smith points out, all those rare freestyles are easily found on YouTube.
A number of posthumous Big L albums have been released in recent years, though they were largely ignored. In the end, when Ls name is brought up in both G.O.A.T. and underrated discussions, its all just a reminder that "dead rappers get better promotion."
Albums: Lifestylez Ov Da Poor & Dangerous (1995), The Big Picture (2000), 139 & Lenox (2009), Return of the Devil's Son (2010), The Danger Zone (2011)
Big L was a fantastic rapper who was sadly only able to essentially make two albums. Although his debut, Lifestylez Ov Da Poor & Dangerous, had many flashes of brilliance that showcased his wit and rhyme style, it suffered from poor production and felt more patched together than a thematically unified project.
His second album was released shortly after his death but it only cemented his legacy as someone who was about to blow but never did. And spare us the whole But you dont know about his underground classics! because as the great Zadie Smith points out, all those rare freestyles are easily found on YouTube.
A number of posthumous Big L albums have been released in recent years, though they were largely ignored. In the end, when Ls name is brought up in both G.O.A.T. and underrated discussions, its all just a reminder that "dead rappers get better promotion."
Age: 29
Albums: Pink Friday (2010), Pink Friday: Roman Reloaded (2012)
As one of the youngest people on this list, and the only one whose debut album dropped this decade, it might seem a bit unfair to group Nicki along with the other rappers on this list. After all, she hasnt had as many opportunities to make a classic like everyone else has.
But here's the thing, Nicki Minaj is incredibly talented and a genuine superstar. We expect more from her than we do from the average rapper, so we expect her to make a classic. Shes positioned herself as the queen of rap, which is all good but she needs a jewel if she wants to wear the crown or else her throne is illegitimate.
Nicki has already dropped two ridiculously successful albums, but both failed to live up to criticial expectations. And if that still seems unfair, consider what her Young Money comrade Drake has done in the same time frame. Take Care has a much greater chance of being viewed as a classic in 10 years than Roman Reloaded does.
Albums: Pink Friday (2010), Pink Friday: Roman Reloaded (2012)
As one of the youngest people on this list, and the only one whose debut album dropped this decade, it might seem a bit unfair to group Nicki along with the other rappers on this list. After all, she hasnt had as many opportunities to make a classic like everyone else has.
But here's the thing, Nicki Minaj is incredibly talented and a genuine superstar. We expect more from her than we do from the average rapper, so we expect her to make a classic. Shes positioned herself as the queen of rap, which is all good but she needs a jewel if she wants to wear the crown or else her throne is illegitimate.
Nicki has already dropped two ridiculously successful albums, but both failed to live up to criticial expectations. And if that still seems unfair, consider what her Young Money comrade Drake has done in the same time frame. Take Care has a much greater chance of being viewed as a classic in 10 years than Roman Reloaded does.
Age: 35
Albums: Rock City (2002), Death Is Certain (2004), Independent's Day (2005), Street Hop (2009), Success Is Certain (2011)
Royce Da 5'9" burst on the scene along with his Detroit pal Eminem in the late 90s. Royce seemed destined to take off after Em did, but it just didnt happen for him. His debut album was strong but it was delayed and overhauled so much that by the time it was finally released it was subtitled 2.0.
After that he struggled with depression, alcoholism, and endless beef as he released a series of well regarded, but not quite there albums. He's since found success as one half of Bad Meets Evil and with his group Slaughterhouse, but his solo career still lacks that essential disc.
Albums: Rock City (2002), Death Is Certain (2004), Independent's Day (2005), Street Hop (2009), Success Is Certain (2011)
Royce Da 5'9" burst on the scene along with his Detroit pal Eminem in the late 90s. Royce seemed destined to take off after Em did, but it just didnt happen for him. His debut album was strong but it was delayed and overhauled so much that by the time it was finally released it was subtitled 2.0.
After that he struggled with depression, alcoholism, and endless beef as he released a series of well regarded, but not quite there albums. He's since found success as one half of Bad Meets Evil and with his group Slaughterhouse, but his solo career still lacks that essential disc.
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so theyre saying cam has a classic then? and what about ele? death is certain?