Complex: 50 Best New York Rappers of All-Time

[Westbama Heartthrob]

Jay's duds are completely ignored by his stans and most mainstream media.

For example The Firm album, where Nas got like 4 verses outside Phone Tap, get held against him. But them two duds Jay had with R. Kelly, it's like they don't exist

Camel stans pretend a lot of stuff don't exist

Pretty much half of his discography

 

[Cladyclad]

This is a horrible take

Man the biggest pac fans don’t care about his first two albums. His career started with Me Against…

 

[Ziggiy]

we all get it why Nas fans have a hatred for Biggie. We all understand and know the story, but what you can’t do is rewrite history and as I already posted - how much more relevance biggie had towards Nas and Jay in dat mid 90s era

No fan of Nas hates Biggie. Thats the dumbest shyt i’ve ever heard.

Nas fans can rightfully argue that Nas has serious points over Biggie while they were BOTH alive, and that Biggie’s death cut short what COULD have been an all time great top 3 career whereas Nas actually DID live long enough to carve out an all time great top 3 career. Nas having surpassed Biggie by virtue of having a legendary catalogue 30 years into his career, adding on all of his accomplishments, both as a pure rapper AND mainstream culturally relevant artist, is a valid argument. You’d have to be a fool to deny that

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

Man the biggest pac fans don’t care about his first two albums. His career started with Me Against…

Those albums aren't even bad. 2pacalypse now holds up better production wise but strictly for my n.i.g.g.a.z still is pretty good. Just old school to our ears in 2023

Jay z has straight up wack shyt. Not a good comparison at all

 

[Piff Perkins]

Man the biggest pac fans don’t care about his first two albums. His career started with Me Against…

I've never heard a Pac fan say Strictly 4 My nikkaz is wack. It's a good album. Is it a classic? No but there are multiple classic tracks on there. That alone prevents it from being some forgettable album.

 

[Mastamimd]

I've never heard a Pac fan say Strictly 4 My nikkaz is wack. It's a good album. Is it a classic? No but there are multiple classic tracks on there. That alone prevents it from being some forgettable album.

I also grew to love 2Pacalypse Now as well

Narrative driven takes I just ignore, just like that one. Those are far from bad albums lol

 

[Cladyclad]

I've never heard a Pac fan say Strictly 4 My nikkaz is wack. It's a good album. Is it a classic? No but there are multiple classic tracks on there. That alone prevents it from being some forgettable album.

I never heard a pac fan talk about it lol

this one pac Stan didn’t even know ice cube was on a pac album lol

and that dude would kill for pac

 

[ThirdAct]

I never heard a pac fan talk about it lol

this one pac Stan didn’t even know ice cube was on a pac album lol

and that dude would kill for pac

Two of his biggest singles are on it

This is such a weird take

 

[Cladyclad]

Two of his biggest singles are on it

This is such a weird take

what Other songs that people bump from that album? Not even bump just well known

 

[ThirdAct]

what Other songs that people bump from that album? Not even bump just well known

Holla if Ya Hear Me

 

[Piff Perkins]

I never heard a pac fan talk about it lol

this one pac Stan didn’t even know ice cube was on a pac album lol

and that dude would kill for pac

It has three hits on it, and another single that's pretty noteworthy (Holler If You Hear Me). All the Pac stans I know love that album. I would agree they spend way more time talking about MATW/AEOM/Makaveli though. But it's not like say...Mobb fans who you'll never hear talking about Juvenile Hell lol.

 

[Mastamimd]

Holla if Ya Hear Me

Representing 93 and Papaz Song as well

 

[Cladyclad]

It has three hits on it, and another single that's pretty noteworthy (Holler If You Hear Me). All the Pac stans I know love that album. I would agree they spend way more time talking about MATW/AEOM/Makaveli though. But it's not like say...Mobb fans who you'll never hear talking about Juvenile Hell lol.

JH was medi just like those two pac albums

so three songs that are popular can make a album good

gotcha

 

[kingofnyc]

No fan of Nas hates Biggie. Thats the dumbest shyt i’ve ever heard.

Nas fans can rightfully argue that Nas has serious points over Biggie while they were BOTH alive, and that Biggie’s death cut short what COULD have been an all time great top 3 career whereas Nas actually DID live long enough to carve out an all time great top 3 career. Nas having surpassed Biggie by virtue of having a legendary catalogue 30 years into his career, adding on all of his accomplishments, both as a pure rapper AND mainstream culturally relevant artist, is a valid argument. You’d have to be a fool to deny that

maybe I should’ve worded it better, but the truth is the most hard-core Nas fan, specifically from New York City, or the east coast region has a deep distain for biggie … see @spliz (all these years of me and him going back-and-forth ; it’s come full circle why he has his feelings towards BIG)

so let me school you if you don’t know
In the early 90s, we all know that the West Coast was dominating the hip-hop scene , and this new kid from Queensbridge had all the talent in the world to become the next big star / bring the East Coast back to its rightfully home , so this kid record label and team was able to gather several of the top producers in the industry ; heavily promote his album through all types of venues , even giving the platform to co-host the hottest hip-hop shown on the planet at that particular time ‘ video music box’ with DJ Ralph McDaniels , which was literally unheard of for a new fresh rapper to promote his new album days before it was debut to drop .… although he did his thing and his debut album always go down as one of the greatest ….. It was a fat black nikka whom optics wasnt suited to be the face of anything - changed hip hop forever …. and as they say the rest is history.

 

[spliz]

maybe I should’ve worded it better, but the truth is the most hard-core Nas fan, specifically from New York City, or the east coast region has a deep distain for biggie … see @spliz (all these years of me and him going back-and-forth ; it’s come full circle why he has his feelings towards BIG)

so let me school you if you don’t know
In the early 90s, we all know that the West Coast was dominating the hip-hop scene , and this new kid from Queensbridge had all the talent in the world to become the next big star / bring the East Coast back to its rightfully home , so this kid record label and team was able to gather several of the top producers in the industry ; heavily promote his album through all types of venues , even giving the platform to co-host the hottest hip-hop shown on the planet at that particular time ‘ video music box’ with DJ Ralph McDaniels , which was literally unheard of for a new fresh rapper to promote his new album days before it was debut to drop .… although he did his thing and his debut album always go down as one of the greatest ….. It was a fat black nikka whom optics wasnt suited to be the face of anything - changed hip hop forever …. and as they say the rest is history.

I don’t hate Biggie nor have disdain for him. U nikkas hate Pac tho. And hate on Nas.