Common really made I used to love her in the middle of a golden era

SAJ!! · Aug 13, 2019

JIL said:
Trust me I know. I grew up in that era unfortunately..

But not even Nas was immune..

The same weirdos called him a sellout for dropping a Kurtis Blow hook over a Whodini sample on IWW..

They were so “real hip hop” they hated REAL hip hop..

I was around that era, too.

Those are the type of dudes that will never be happy, no matter who's selling.

Even if one of their underground favorites gets a Gold record, they'll accuse them of selling out.

It was all fukked up during that period.

LunaticVillage415 · Aug 13, 2019

YouRemindMe said:
The golden era ended Dec 1992

93-94 was full of wack shyt (mostly from the west coast TBH) that in 2019 people think is dope because the bar is so low now

For every illmatic or ready to die you had ten bullshyt g-funk albums with wack lyrics pretending to be a super gangsta

Common was on point shyt was getting beyond corny

Illmatic and Ready to Die were both heavily influenced by West Coast gangsta shyt. :childplease:

Even Puffy said he wanted to make an East Coast version of the Chronic with Ready to Die. The only reason Ready to Die was marketable and sold any records was because of the blatant G-Funk influence. "Juicy" and "Big Poppa" we're essentially G Funk records with themes that were popularized by Cali rappers (I.e. Player themes were popularized by Bay rappers like Too $hort, Dr Down and Mac Mall).

And if you think that East Coast records like Ready to Die and Illmatic are the only classics that came out that year, you have a very whiteboy suburban view of Hip Hop because there were dozens of underground classics dropped that year coast to coast. You don't need the co-sign of old white Jews in suits and a major distribution deal and millions of white fans to be a legit rapper when it comes to the streets. :ufdup:

And West Coast gangsta shyt from that era was much more influential than the easy listening AM Jazz station sanitized backpacker rap that was already played out by 1994. East Coast rappers didn't even curse regularly before Cali rap came out. New York nikkas are slaves to Jewish label execs. Look at Bobby Shmurd c00ning in the record office. Still goes onto this day. NY was full of crack and murder in the 80's and early 90's and none of the rappers were allowed to talk about it on the level of those G Funk rappers you hate because it would make white folks like you uncomfortable. It wasn't until the West said fukk that and everyone else followed in suit. Rap is the CNN of the ghetto, not easy listening for the suburbs, fukking nerd. :mjtf:

Magnum P.I.M.P. · Aug 13, 2019

Toe Jay Simpson said:
This was also the first era of the fake MC who fabricated their life to sell records.

The Roots’ ‘What They Do’ is talking about exactly that.

Amor fati · Aug 13, 2019

ISO said:
Hip hop has never been fukked up that’s my point people just love to complain

Yep dudes just complain

Check this forum post from 94 dude was complaining about Busta Rhymes calling him wack.

Link: Google Groups

Harry Allen
12/26/94

Other recipients: kee...@bu.edu.nyo.com
Steven J Juon (bh...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
: In a previous posting, Rerunnn (rer...@aol.com) writes:
: > Why does Busta suck so bad now? He was cool on LONS's first lp. Now he
: > is so wack, he sounds like he is eating and trying to rhyme at the same
: > time. Wack........Why do people keep putting him on their remixes too?
: > He ruined the Atrifacts, ruined Craig Mack (hey hey hey, wack wack wack).
: > When are people gonna realize this?
: > dl

Here's another one where dude's in 98 where saying after 94 hip hop went wack LOL I wouldn't be surprised if one of the posters here posted that.

Google Groups

ROCTOWN
7/13/98

><HTML><PRE>Subject: Did quality rap die in 1994?
>From: "Tha Wizzard" <hip.-....@usa.net>
>Date: Sun, Jul 12, 1998 20:08 EDT
>Message-id: <Idcq1.2287$ne.3...@news2.atl.bellsouth.net>
- show quoted text -
></PRE></HTML>
Quality rap did die after '94, i might even stretch it to early '95, (my
graduation year), but it seems that ever since I went to college in the fall of
'95, 95% of hip hop has been garbage, do y'all agree? Just look at some of the
freshest stuff to come out:

Black Moon - Enta Da Stage
Notorious B.I.G. - Ready To Die
Beatnuts - Beatnuts E.P.
2Pac - Me Against The World
Dr. Dre - The Chronic
Snoop - Doggy Style
The Roots - Do You Want More?!?
Gangstarr - Mass Appeal
Various - Above The Rim Sndtrk
Artifacts - Between A Rock And A Hard Place
Outkast - Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik
Wu-Tang Clan - Enter The Wu-Tang 36 Chambers
Tribe Called Quest - Midnight Marauders
Organized Konfusion - Stress
Nas - Illmatic
Common Sense - Resurrection
KRS-1 - Return Of The Boom Bap
Keith Murray - The Most Beatifullest Thing...
Redman - Dare Iz A Darkside

It seems as if in the '93-'94 era, everyone was on top of their game and coming
strong. I also think that that was the last time you could buy any album and
listen all the way through. There are a couple now like Big Pun, Gangstarr,
Rakim, Jay-Z, Commom, but like other than that, the industry is filled with a
lot of garbage... If it wasn't for Rawkus Records and groups like Heiro and
Golden St. Warriors out west, I might have turned to strictly reggae and r&b
and just given up on hip hop. By the way, when are KRS-1 and Rakim going to do
a song together with DJ Premier on the production? Now compare my list of '94
sure shots to today's artists... nobody is hungry anymore, everyone is wearin'
Tommy, cuttin' crack, hoein', and loopin' (not sampling) beats on all of their
tracks. Everything that comes out is a rush job. Look at DMX. Now don't get
me wrong, his album is fresh and deserved platinum status, but his album was
rushed out and if they had taken time with it, it would have been even
fresher... What does everyone else think?

Amor fati · Aug 13, 2019

I don't know if you guys are familiar with Tha Chamba but they were saying that back in 95, but to be honest the stuff Tha Chamba was saying resonates with the shyt out so much it's no problem to be a blatant gimmick.

Gains · Aug 13, 2019

The bytch In Yoo :banderas:

wizworld · Aug 13, 2019

tuckdog said:
nikkas been complaining about Hip Hop since Hip Hop was invented.

Me, Myself, and I came out in ‘89 complaining about the gold chains and tough guy image in hip hop.

Crossover came out in 92, complaining about nikkas making songs for radio play.

I Used to Love H.E.R in 94

Stakes is High and What They Do in 96

All these was during the “Golden Era”

Same nikkas that was crying back then is crying today.

That’s why I tell these young nikkas to pay the old heads no mind.

Complaining in Hip Hop is tradition.

KRS One was telling hip-hop fans that Run DMC was old school and played out in 1988 .
We can't even fault new fans for being unaware of hip-hop history. Many of our legends were highly dismissive of rappers who preceded them.

newworldafro · Aug 13, 2019

I'm glad I'm reading these posts, because although I didnt start listening to full albums until '95 I felt a lot of music was wack when I would walk into the music store, from the little bit I heard.

3rd Ward Swangin · Aug 13, 2019

Master Teacher said:
Nah, the genre of gangsta rap is trash, I mean when you think about 94 the only gangsta rap song that stands the test of time is Regulators, which is barely a gansgta record

When you look at Tupac's classic records none of them are gangsta songs

Changes, Keep your Head up, I ain't mad at ya, I get around, California Love, So many Tears, Dear Mama, etc

ain't no putting gangsta party when they listening to Pac lmao

The Gangsta rap sound trash, you play any of them albums right now the shyt is not listenable, you not gonna bump no Mc Eiht with the windows down lmao, maybe Straight Up Menace but thats it

Gangsta Rap was too vulgar, I mean if you compare those records to rap today, they will not play that shyt in any establishment I mean Po Pimp by Do or Die is way more vulgar than the music today so let that sink through your head

You can still play Tribe Called Quest Music and not look like a damn fool

All his Albums till like 98 was hard.
nikka said Tribe Called Quest :rudy:

3rd Ward Swangin · Aug 13, 2019

They weren't saying shyt and get passes.

JOHN.KOOL · Aug 14, 2019

Used to love her is a timeless track so im just happy we got it regardless of when he dropped it.

Phantum · Aug 14, 2019

LunaticVillage415 said:
Illmatic and Ready to Die were both heavily influenced by West Coast gangsta shyt. Even Puffy said he wanted to make an East Coast version of the Chronic with Ready to Die. The only reason Ready to Die was marketable and sold any records was because of the blatant G-Funk influence. "Juicy" and "Big Poppa" we're essentially G Funk records with themes that were popularized by Cali rappers (I.e. Player themes were popularized by Bay rappers like Too $hort, Dr Down and Mac Mall).

And if you think that East Coast records like Ready to Die and Illmatic are the only classics that came out that year, you have a very whiteboy suburban view of Hip Hop because there were dozens of underground classics dropped that year coast to coast. You don't need the co-sign of old white Jews in suits and a major distribution deal and millions of white fans to be a legit rapper when it comes to the streets.

And West Coast gangsta shyt from that era was much more influential than the easy listening AM Jazz station sanitized backpacker rap that was already played out by 1994. East Coast rappers didn't even curse regularly before Cali rap came out. New York nikkas are slaves to Jewish label execs. Look at Bobby Shmurd c00ning in the record office. Still goes onto this day. NY was full of crack and murder in the 80's and early 90's and none of the rappers were allowed to talk about it on the level of those G Funk rappers you hate because it would make white folks like you uncomfortable. It wasn't until the West said fukk that and everyone else followed in suit. Rap is the CNN of the ghetto, not easy listening for the suburbs, fukking nerd.

nikka what? :dwillhuh:

How was Illmatic heavily influenced by west coast shyt? You sound like the last living POW from the East Coast/West Coast wars. Relax soldier, the war is over.

Phantum · Aug 14, 2019

My man brought back a 1994 usenet post :wow:

.

I remember Steve "Flash" Juon lol. I was on those shyts heavy spouting my idealistic vision of hip hop, I can't hate on dudes opinion. Plenty of people thought Busta hit his peak on Scenario.

I don't tolerate ATCQ slander though :ufdup:

Threnody · Aug 14, 2019

LunaticVillage415 said:
Illmatic and Ready to Die were both heavily influenced by West Coast gangsta shyt. Even Puffy said he wanted to make an East Coast version of the Chronic with Ready to Die. The only reason Ready to Die was marketable and sold any records was because of the blatant G-Funk influence. "Juicy" and "Big Poppa" we're essentially G Funk records with themes that were popularized by Cali rappers (I.e. Player themes were popularized by Bay rappers like Too $hort, Dr Down and Mac Mall).

And if you think that East Coast records like Ready to Die and Illmatic are the only classics that came out that year, you have a very whiteboy suburban view of Hip Hop because there were dozens of underground classics dropped that year coast to coast. You don't need the co-sign of old white Jews in suits and a major distribution deal and millions of white fans to be a legit rapper when it comes to the streets.

And West Coast gangsta shyt from that era was much more influential than the easy listening AM Jazz station sanitized backpacker rap that was already played out by 1994. East Coast rappers didn't even curse regularly before Cali rap came out. New York nikkas are slaves to Jewish label execs. Look at Bobby Shmurd c00ning in the record office. Still goes onto this day. NY was full of crack and murder in the 80's and early 90's and none of the rappers were allowed to talk about it on the level of those G Funk rappers you hate because it would make white folks like you uncomfortable. It wasn't until the West said fukk that and everyone else followed in suit. Rap is the CNN of the ghetto, not easy listening for the suburbs, fukking nerd.

"Ready to Die and Illmatic are the only classics" Who said this? I sure as hell didn't
:mindblown:

90% of this post is attacking shyt I never said or disagreed with

You almost completely misunderstood my post breh

I was talking about all the wack ass albums (mostly g-funk) coming out at the time that anybody who was around back then remembers the game being flooded with

not west coast/gangsta rap in general, not dope artists from the west

but the random ass suburban nikkas getting record deals being dressed up as gangsta rappers spitting wack lyrics over wack g-fukk beats

Only people that should have an issue with my post are fans of wack shyt.....if you liked dope g-funk west coast artists so did I

ThirdAct · Aug 14, 2019

Southside Swangin said:
They weren't saying shyt and get passes.

Anyone can take a couple random lines out of songs and pick them apart. I mean Tribe were never complex lyrical miracle rappers (and they weren't trying to be) but they could still rap their asses off and made classic music regardless.

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