Comic book dude goes in on Spider-Woman fiasco and Feminists

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There's nothing wrong with men drawing sexually charged women, but let's not pretend that most men don't understand a woman's sexuality, and in the case of comics, most of the time sexualized women doesn't serve the story, but for the readers to get their jerk on. I brought up race earlier for a reason. A lot of racial minorities have an issue when we are written by white people who often don't understand us. The same is true for men writing women.

However, the article I posted says all this more in a much more eloquent way than me, and I highly suggest reading it.

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thanks for posting your opinion. i read part of the article as well.

she makes some good point and i see what she's saying but ultimately, i feel like if that's what some people want to see, and if that's what some people want to draw :manny:. i do agree with not being hypocrites about it and calling it what it is. but calling it disgusting is a little over the top. if we want to compare it to black struggles, i see it like blaxploitation movies. they're all somewhat exploitation. some of them are good, some of them are bad. i guess i just don't see what the big deal is.

as far as the actual alternate spider-woman cover. i think it's obviously a ode to the original spiderman covers as well as an ironic wink at the his old work. yes it is sexualized but i feel like the purpose in this case was in good fun. again, i feel like the bloggers and critics who complained about this went overboard and in this specific instance, it felt like manufactured offense from people who don't even read comic books. what annoyed me the most about it was how they kept saying you would never see spiderman in the same pose which clearly shows to me we're dealing with phonies who are talking about shyt they don't know. it shows they just want us to be offended about something they don't really care for or know about.
 

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I agree with that. It's just that when you see a billion cases of this type of representation of women in comics, it's hard to not become annoyed or angry. Hence the reaction.
 

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I agree with that. It's just that when you see a billion cases of this type of representation of women in comics, it's hard to not become annoyed or angry. Hence the reaction.
that's cool but these bloggers were trying to use people's genuine emotions about comic books (something they don't care for) to further their agenda. so in other words, using people like pawns. that's what i find disgusting about it. it's kinda like pseudo-activists using an event they know nothing about (not familiar with the culture or context) but instrumentalizing people's emotion for it to further their cause but when the cameras are gone, they're gone as well, chasing the next event, almost hoping for another tragic event to happen.

but if female fans of comics (or fans in general) have a legit issue with this, then it's cool to speak up. Just don't let them pimp you out of your energy.
 

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Spider man is not sexualized in those pics.

And blackness has to do with it because you dudes are the people who complain when white people make media that present black people in a very one dimensional light, but here you are, defending a comic book cover - a medium that has a HISTORY of sexualizing women to the point of hyperbole - with Spider Woman having her ass sticking out, and saying that's literally the same thing as Spider Man in the same pose. You are ignoring any sense of history or nuance and are acting like white people who ask,"why do black people care about race so much?"

Spiderman's character is always in poses that if you replaced him with Spiderwoman you could say its sexualized. He swings around with his legs wide open, he crawls around with his ass in the air, he straddles his opopents when they are defeated. Its you that is determining that in one instance its sexual and in another it isnt.
 

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Maddox is wrong about this.

Funny how a site full of dudes who complain about the fact that black men are stereotyped by the media can't take five seconds to realize they are dismissing a historical and very common trope in comics featuring women. There is no precedent for Spider Man with his ass sticking out being sexualized. There is one for women. The next time you get mad about another white person dismissing the injustices and stereotypes black men face, remember that you posted in and agreed with this thread, making you a dumbass hypocrite.


So are we just going to ignore that EVERY super hero is buff to the max? Perfect body? Isn't that sexualizing the male body? Plenty of chances taken just to have a glimpse of a shirtless hero? It happens. Quit being daft.
 

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cacwoman :camby:

Nobody said shyt when this comic first came out. Some people are just looking for attention, :shaq2:
 

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Maddox was the coolest guy when I was a teenager but I just went to his site for the first time in forever and the latest thing he posted was about Spider-Woman's ass. He starts it off by complaining about people preaching on the internet which makes it seem like he's pretty lacking in self-awareness, especially as a guy who at 36 years old pretends to be a pirate on the internet.
 
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As one of the few people on this site to well actually read fukking comics. Dude is right on. Comic characters of both sexes are generally perfect looking people, that the average person or reader will never or could never aspire to look like.

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nikka got like a 10 pack...

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Ole girl is doing way to much in this thread.
 

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Not really but I'm glad I gave you the perfect out to avoid the rest of the post!
I'd have to agree with him.

You posit that there is a difference in the way male and female superhero by creating a nuance that fits your POV. For example; male characters don't have to be good looking? :huh: Yes, they usually are and their usually white (one could define that as a sexual standard).

Actually, I could do the same thing and say there is no difference.
 
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As one of the few people on this site to well actually read fukking comics. Dude is right on. Comic characters of both sexes are generally perfect looking people, that the average person or reader will never or could never aspire to look like.

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nikka got like a 10 pack...

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Ole girl is doing way to much in this thread.


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my opinion:

the critics' main argument was that a cover with a male spiderman in the same pose would never fly. this has been debunked. as far as her being sexualized. sure she is. But are we saying that it's not ok for male artists to sexualize female subjects?

He actually sayin'; we've seen Spider-Man in the same pose and no one said a thing about it.

Three women attempt to "scale a wall" and re-create the Spider Woman Cover Art to test how anatomically correct it is.


Really? We're playing the "Her proportions aren't realistic" game.

I think the real issue is media proliferation and young girls actually looking to fantasy as a model to inform real life choices.


Spiderman's character is always in poses that if you replaced him with Spiderwoman you could say its sexualized. He swings around with his legs wide open, he crawls around with his ass in the air, he straddles his opopents when they are defeated. Its you that is determining that in one instance its sexual and in another it isnt.

This. And it's not a context issue, it's an agenda "Now, I can use this to talk about the sexual exploitation of women, in comics" issues.

Truthfully--and it's hilarious--if these writers did actual research rather than literally judging a book by it's cover they'd find plenty of great examples of what they are accusing this Spider-Women cover of.

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The think the problem with this arugment is the way people are compounding issues and refusing to acknowledge they are creating "sole victim" narratives.

Does the artist also have pornographic on his resume? Yes. But, if he drew a woman breastfeeding, would we then have license to say it's "oversexualized"? No.

Women are sexually exploited in media, but, so are men. It's troubling that the people arguing the contrary either; won't acknowledge that the same is done to males or are bring up more overt examples of crude sexualization of women (that aren't Spider-Woman).

I'm a big comic fan/reader and my biggest gripe with the way women are drawn is; They'll draw big breast--which isn't inherently bad. But, they always look like implants (in shape, not size) rather than what a large set of natural breast would look like :huh:. I digress.

The difference between Power Girl (cleavage window) & Psylocke (bikini body suit) and this Spiderwoman cover is; we have plenty of examples of Spider Man posing in similar positions (in the same type of clothing) and no one is screaming "TOO MUCH SEX."

Really thoughts of sexualization only pop up because it's a woman. As if a woman, in skin tight clothing (ie female swimmers, volleyball players, etc.) can't be neutral on the "sexiness" scale, but men can.

But, do we not live in a world where men are told that they need a big penis to be considered manly?Yes, we do.

Do women have it worst? Yea, I think so. But, men still deal with the same thing.

To suggest musclar men, in skin tight suits can't be sexual (the OP even states 47% of comic readers are women) is to practicing your own brand of cognitive dissonance.

The problem with this is; there is something to be said about the marginalizing of women in comics. But, this isn't one of those times.
 
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