Comic book dude goes in on Spider-Woman fiasco and Feminists

[The Electric Lady]

Are you being wilfully blind to it?
Cause yup, no leg besides the storied history of sexualized female bodies in mainstream comic books, or the fact that the artist in question is known for his erotic art and based the figure on a earlier piece of work he did for penthouse.

I'm not moralizing here but we have to see things for what they are.

They're not willfully blind to it. They just see women as fukk toys, so they don't give a fukk as they waddle in their own masculine sense of cognitive dissonance. Read the posts in this thread about feminists and blah blah. They furious women have the nerve to express dissent. They acting like cacs. That's what happens when a man is threatened.

 

[Dwolf]

Spider man is not sexualized in those pics.

And blackness has to do with it because you dudes are the people who complain when white people make media that present black people in a very one dimensional light, but here you are, defending a comic book cover - a medium that has a HISTORY of sexualizing women to the point of hyperbole - with Spider Woman having her ass sticking out, and saying that's literally the same thing as Spider Man in the same pose. You are ignoring any sense of history or nuance and are acting like white people who ask,"why do black people care about race so much?"

To you he isn't sexualized but maybe to someone thats into that he is. To me neither one is sexual because its a cartoon.
This has nothing to do with race, stop trying to make it into race. Its a gender issue.

 

[Kenny West]

This conversation is so dumb

Spider man is not sexualized in those pics.

And blackness has to do with it because you dudes are the people who complain when white people make media that present black people in a very one dimensional light, but here you are, defending a comic book cover - a medium that has a HISTORY of sexualizing women to the point of hyperbole - with Spider Woman having her ass sticking out, and saying that's literally the same thing as Spider Man in the same pose. You are ignoring any sense of history or nuance and are acting like white people who ask,"why do black people care about race so much?"

so hypothetically how does a comic book author sexualize a male character for female readers?

Outside of the skin tight spandex, ridiculous muscle definition and crotch shots that are already present?

And why aren't comic book authors allowed to sexualize their own FICTIONAL characters again?

I don't really want an answer it's just funny to see people move their goalposts for the sake of pretending to be offended.

 

[The Electric Lady]

To you he isn't sexualized but maybe to someone thats into that he is. To me neither one is sexual because its a cartoon.
This has nothing to do with race, stop trying to make it into race. Its a gender issue.

It's not just a gender issue. It's a media representation issue, and many people do not like how they are represented in the media.

 

[Dwolf]

It's not just a gender issue. It's a media representation issue, and many people do not like how they are represented in the media.

A media representation of gender. I can understand how women can be upset about being portrayed as sexualized in the media but this really doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[The Electric Lady]

A media representation of gender. I can understand how women can be upset about being portrayed as sexualized in the media but this really doesn't seem to be the case.

Trust me, it is. There's nothing inherently wrong with sexualization. Especially if the woman herself owns her sexuality and the sexualization serves a purpose. It's just more often than not, it's the go to when it comes to specific mediums, specifically games and comics, which tend to be nerd hobbies. And I shouldn't have to expound on why there's more skimpy women in nerd hobbies, should I? Anyways, it creates a barrier that's hard to enter. You want to read a comic about a girl kicking ass so you can feel empowered, but more often than not the artist and writer will shove something sex related in the work, which stands as a wall you must climb to remotely enjoy the story. A good recent example is Catwoman's and Starfire's reboot in the new 52 comics.

Read this: http://comicsalliance.com/starfire-catwoman-sex-superheroine/

The annoying part here are the guys here ignoring years of history in this medium. Why I don't know, but they come across as highly immature and ignorant.

 

[Greenstrings]

I think in this case, you have to look at the context and source. One is a comic book and the other is a porn mag.

Putting something sexual in a new context certainly can desexualise it but that clearly isn't the case here. I know you read comics are you telling me you know nothing of the artists that use porn and pinup figurines as models for their female characters and that most of the characters aren't specifically drawn in poses that titilate men?
Context is precisely why I think the issue is contentious. People are right to note that the cover pose emulates the primal zoomorphism that a lot of artists try to depict when they draw Spiderman.
If the cover was one of Cheetah I don't think anybody would give much of a shyt because the character is supposed to be explicitly animalistic and to a degree the same could be said of Spider Woman

 

[Arishok]

I can't really see the anger in this one, Spiderman always has his ass tooted in the air

 

[Turbulent]

No, he didn't. He made a point of Spider Man having the same pose. That is not the same thing as presenting the same pose as being sexually motivated. But there's a big difference between a man doing it and a woman doing it. With women, there's history. More than that, the artist who made the cover makes erotic art and the pose for this cover was taken from one of his pieces that had a woman's out sticking out in public raw.

You want it one way, but it's the other way.

Maddox is fukking moron.

is it not ok for a male artist to sexualize a female character?

 

[Greenstrings]

They're not willfully blind to it. They just see women as fukk toys, so they don't give a fukk as they waddle in their own masculine sense of cognitive dissonance. Read the posts in this thread about feminists and blah blah. They furious women have the nerve to express dissent. They acting like cacs. That's what happens when a man is threatened.

Nah you're being uncharitable, then again I'm saying that as a dude. Most guys don't want to believe that they sees women exclusively as fukk toys and realistically most don't. But a lot of male creative dominated mediums do present women in this way. The reluctance we as men have towards confronting that has more to do with being adverse to change and unwilling to look outside of male perspective than being outright disdainful of female ones (though of course things do often broach into that territory).

 

[The Electric Lady]

is it not ok for a male artist to sexualize a female character?

read this: http://comicsalliance.com/starfire-catwoman-sex-superheroine/

 

[Zero]

Also 7 minutes of talking about Spider-Ass is 7 minutes too many.

Pretty much.

This shyt will be a non-issue by the time #2 comes out

 

[Turbulent]

read this: http://comicsalliance.com/starfire-catwoman-sex-superheroine/

i asked a simple question and you answer with a link. at least provide an answer of your personal opinion with your link.

 

[Zero]

I know nikkas aint still harping on new 52 Catwoman are they?


The same Catwoman that fukked a dude AND his father in the same volume?

The same Catwoman that had a daughter and pretty much abandoned her to continue her life as a cat burglar?


Can't be. Fun fact: both of these events took place in what is widely considered the best Catwoman volume

 

[The Electric Lady]

i asked a simple question and you answer with a link. at least provide an answer of your personal opinion with your link.

There's nothing wrong with men drawing sexually charged women, but let's not pretend that most men don't understand a woman's sexuality, and in the case of comics, most of the time sexualized women doesn't serve the story, but for the readers to get their jerk on. I brought up race earlier for a reason. A lot of racial minorities have an issue when we are written by white people who often don't understand us. The same is true for men writing women.

However, the article I posted says all this more in a much more eloquent way than me, and I highly suggest reading it.

Here's a quote:

Below on the left, I submit to you one of the starkest visual differences between men and women in superhero comics. On the ground, we see how the editors and writers and artists have chosen to dress a male Lantern, and standing above him we see how they have chosen to dress a female Lantern. These characters didn’t appear out of thin air one day; someone designed them to look the way they look, and designed it for a very specific reason. And those design choices shape the way that the universe treats women generally. And on a more personal level, it also plays a big role in how DC Comics tells me they see people like me. Because I know that institutionally, they don’t treat men like that; we’re never going to see a major hero like Hal Jordan in a costume like one on the right as imagined by Deviant Artist Bionarri.

But the problem isn’t Star Sapphire. Or Catwoman. Or Starfire. Or Dr. Light raping Sue Dibny on the Justice League satellite or that stupid rape backstory Kevin Smith gave Black Cat or the time Green Lantern’s girlfriend got murdered and stuffed in a refrigerator. The problem is all of it together, and how it becomes so pervasive both narratively and visually that each of these things stops existing as an individual instance to be analyzed in a vacuum and becomes a pattern of behavior whose net effect is totally repellent to me. As an anomaly, maybe Starfire could be funny, the way the big-breasted, over-sexed Fritz (who even got her own porno comic, Birdland, which is pretty good if you’re into that) is often funny in Love and Rockets, mostly because the series is already packed full of incredibly diverse, fully-realized female characters. But as the 5,000th example of a superhero comic presenting female sexuality in tone-deaf ways, it’s just depressing.

In Red Hood and the Outlaws, this is DC Comics tells me a male hero looks like, and what a female hero looks like:

In Catwoman, this is what DC Comics tells me a male hero looks like, and what a female hero looks like:

This is not an anomaly. This is the primary message that I hear. And it is one that I only hear about the people who are like me — the women — and not the men.

Read More: The Big Sexy Problem with Superheroines and Their ‘Liberated Sexuality’ | http://comicsalliance.com/starfire-catwoman-sex-superheroine/?trackback=tsmclip