College Applicant Told Charter School Diploma is Worthless

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As anxiety over the academic performance of public schools grows, experts say it's likely that more schools and school districts will lose public or private accreditation.


  • By Ted S. Warren, AP

    School buses pick up students Nov. 2 in Tacoma, Wash. Educators say schools are having to work harder to earn accreditation.
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By Ted S. Warren, AP

School buses pick up students Nov. 2 in Tacoma, Wash. Educators say schools are having to work harder to earn accreditation.

"It happens more often than you'd think, but it needs to happen more often than it does," says Mark A. Elgart, president and CEO of AdvancED, a private Atlanta-based accreditation agency that works with about 30,000 schools. In the past five years, the organization has pulled accreditation on four school systems and a dozen private schools, for reasons ranging from poor academic performance to governance to financial fraud.

"It's become more rigorous," says Terry Holliday, commissioner of the Kentucky Department of Education. "I think there was a time accreditation just meant you had a certain number of library books and staff." Now, he says, "accreditation does look at outcomes."

Accreditation, sort of a Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval for schools, matters to districts because losing it can lead to a state takeover or an exodus of students. For individual high schools, it can mean that students lose a competitive edge as they apply to college.

After the Missouri State Board of Education last September voted to classify Kansas City Public Schools as "unaccredited," city officials spent weeks telling people what losing accreditation wasn't: Students wouldn't forfeit high school diplomas or transcripts, for one thing. They'd still be eligible for college scholarships — that sort of approval generally comes not from the state but from private organizations like Elgart's.

But the district had just two years to improve in more than a dozen areas, most of them academic, or risk being taken over. And families could immediately request admission to neighboring school districts at Kansas City's expense.

"We spent a good deal of time in a kind of public relations campaign, if you will," says R. Stephen Green, the city's interim superintendent. The state board's vote became effective earlier this month; 250 miles east, St. Louis schools lost their state accreditation in 2007.

More than a century old, the private accreditation system grew out of Ivy League colleges' desires to have a uniform way to evaluate whether students coming to them from thousands of high schools could actually handle a high-pressure college workload. Fewer than half the states grant schools accreditation, and those that do often rely on private organizations to provide the actual nuts-and-bolts requirements.

The Clayton County, Ga., school district near Atlanta lost its accreditation in 2008 after Elgart's agency issued a report finding that the board was "dysfunctional" and that its leadership was "fatally flawed."

Douglas Hendrix, a district spokesman and former teacher, says board members "were getting too much involved in the day-to-day business as it relates to hiring, as it relates to contracts." The result was a chaotic district where superintendents rarely lasted more than a year — Hendrix recalls "too many to count" until the accreditation process helped dissolve the board and bring in a new one.

At the time, the move was nearly unprecedented in the region, but Holliday says that's changing.

"I think you're going to see more schools and districts losing accreditation, rather than less," he says.

What's changed? Holliday says the business community has pushed more aggressively for public schools to improve over the past decade or so.

"They just can't find the folks who have the skills they need to fill the jobs that are available," he says.

Facing pressure from both dwindling enrollments and tight state budgets, Kansas City has actually been operating on provisional accreditation since 2002.

Former superintendent John Covington in 2010 made news when he announced plans to close half of the district's 61 schools.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/education/story/2012-01-16/schools-accreditation/52604344/1
 

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i didnt say you posted anything untrue, i said its corny
Lol at simple facts being "corny" because you dont like them. Whatever that means.

Yes, the college reversed its decision but dont you think the entire situation serves as an example? Dont you think the loose/non-existent standards must have played a large role in the school losing its accreditation in the first place? Thats the point of the thread. I mean, you graduate from a school and then a couple years later it shuts down due to underperforming students and "money problems." Do you think you really likely received a quality education from that place?
 

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very interesting, after reading through those links it is pointed out that under the obama administration there is no preference of private vs public schooling but instead based on data of schooling districts they will pull for one or the other depending on which is proven to be more effective for children of that area that the stats are based on


check out these stats though



Nearly 7,000 students drop out of school every school day, or one every 26 seconds.



A quarter of our nation’s students never complete high school.


Nearly 50 million students are attending 99,000 public elementary and secondary schools.


There are approximately 5,000 chronically underperforming schools; half are in big cities, a third are in rural areas, and the rest are in suburbs and medium-sized towns.



Achievement gaps have existed for decades between white students and racial minorities, poor students and their more affluent peers, native English speakers and students who are English Learners, and students with disabilities and those without. Education journals from the early 1970s—referring primarily to the achievement gap between White and non-White students—began to document performance gaps among early learners that extended to students in secondary and postsecondary schools. The National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP), considered the nation’s report card, showed a narrowing of the gap in reading and mathematics during the 1970s and 1980s between African-American and White students. However, trends over the last two decades have shown no sustained progress toward narrowing that achievement gap.


i wonder what happened in the mid to late 80's that brung stagnation to the narrowing of the gap :mjpls:




Between 1990 and 2007, only four states narrowed achievement gaps between Black and White students on the NAEP in eighth grade mathematics.


"We worked tremendously hard to earn this waiver—working closely with our partners at the local, state, and the federal levels. This waiver provides our school districts with the necessary flexibility to improve student learning based on the students’ and their communities’ needs. And it recognizes the collaborative efforts the state undertook to reform teacher and principal evaluations."


Washington Governor Christine Gregoire
 
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a charter school is accredited by definition, the word charter has a definition

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/charter
4. An authorization from a central organization to establish a local branch or chapter.

in other words if its not accredited it cannot be a charter school, that is why if you read the story it actually turns out the college made a mistake

of course you should make sure a school is accredited, but that warning applies to online schools and private schools because there is no such thing as an unaccredited charter school, the school they are talking about lost its accreditation and turned into a private school and when the college looked up the school they saw it was an unaccredited private school, but when they found out it was a charter school during the time the girl attended they had to reverse themselves ie problem solved ie this is a corny irrelevant thread trying to disparage charter schools
Why are these clowns so against charter schools?
 

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Lol at simple facts being "corny" because you dont like them. Whatever that means.

Yes, the college reversed its decision but dont you think the entire situation serves as an example? Dont you think the loose/non-existent standards must have played a large role in the school losing its accreditation in the first place? Thats the point of the thread. I mean, you graduate from a school and then a couple years later it shuts down due to underperforming students and "money problems." Do you think you really likely received a quality education from that place?

i dont really get what the point of your question is, im not defending the school or its quality, what exactly do you want me to say or do about it?

i think the threadstarter was trying to use this thread to attack charter schools, that was what i thought was corny
 

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i dont really get what the point of your question is, im not defending the school or its quality, what exactly do you want me to say or do about it?

i think the threadstarter was trying to use this thread to attack charter schools, that was what i thought was corny
Well as I already said, examples like this are indicative of what can happen as a direct result of the lack of standards inherent to charter schools.
 

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Lol at simple facts being "corny" because you dont like them. Whatever that means.

Yes, the college reversed its decision but dont you think the entire situation serves as an example? Dont you think the loose/non-existent standards must have played a large role in the school losing its accreditation in the first place? Thats the point of the thread. I mean, you graduate from a school and then a couple years later it shuts down due to underperforming students and "money problems." Do you think you really likely received a quality education from that place?

We literally had a thread in here a few days ago where someone suggested that people lie on their resumes by saying they went to schools that shut down recently, so it couldn't be verified, and people want to act like I'm just making this shyt up. :snoop:
 

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yeah definitely, its pro charter question, its a dumb article especially when in the end the college admitted it made a mistake

try harder next time
this dumb b*stard just came in here to start shyt and did not comprehend the article:russ:

must have been home schooled or went to a charter school:russ:
 
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