Piff Perkins
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Just know black men will be blamed at some point for this so get ready.
Coli, I don't understand—what was so wrong with Serena?
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Amo Husserl
Superstar
Can't make it up.
As far as I remember, the gender wars I'm talking about was brought in from the down-low era back in the 90s and early 00s.
Was a Jerry Springer mainstay if I remember. Ray from Scary Movie a perfect example:
Movie dropped in 2000.
I was young in the 90s so I don't know the whole story, but the downlow angle I think came from BM dating out in bigger numbers. Some of it was probably true. I don't know, it's worth researching. But you gotta spend a lot of time tracking down leads that may or may not exist.
Who got time for that?
My whole point: the baton from the gender wars from the 90s and early 00s was passed to millennials around
But before all that, who on the come up from the late 90s to the mid 00s?
If we honestly unpack it, black women put Madea on.
If you wanna do the history, you gotta look at who gave Gen X the baton.
My mom and aunts grew up on The Color Purple. TCP dropped in '82, Generation X is roughly '65-'80. The oldest of that generation graduated high school when that book dropped, the movie came out in '85. TCP was for Gen X just like the Malcolm X movie was a couple years later.
....this ain't for debating, whole point is we gotta understand our history without attacking each other. This just a quick and dirty post.
This a good podcast to start on some research:
But we gotta talk to our elders without shaming them and get some understanding.
It's historical anthropology at the end of the day, and you gotta do what you can with what you got.
Hate this had to happen to us.
The Gender Wars BS did not start in the 90s. It has been going on since the 70s. It continued up into the 80-90s on talk shows, and then once the internet started being accessed by many more people, it went on to the internet.
Before the internet, most of the negative narratives were being made on shows like Oprah, Donahue, Ricky Lake, etc. Those narratives were mainly pushed about Black men. The internet was essentially an opportunity for those angry about the earlier narratives being pushed by our sisters, to respond in kind.
So neither sex has clean hands on this issue. Until we recognize that fact, and both-sides accept accountability for our parts in the divide, we will continue to have this dumb sniping going on with each other.
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TheKongoEmpire
The First Men
Imma be real with you
I have NEVER heard any kin of mine or myself going in on each others skin tone, male or female.The first time I heard of this stuff was back when I was on twitter
maybe certain familial strains just are toxic.Both sides of the fam, never heard of this phenomena.
The only thing that gives it some credence to me was when I was on the train and 2 black children were going back and forth and one through out some ignorant "@%$! black"
UncleTomFord15
Veteran
The majority of people that used to mock her looks were non black men and black women.
Didn’t hear it in my family, eitherImma be real with you
The first time I heard of this stuff was back when I was on twitter
Both sides of the fam, never heard of this phenomena.
The only thing that gives it some credence to me was when I was on the train and 2 black children were going back and forth and one through out some ignorant "@%$! black"
First time complexion came up, someone stared at me and said “hmmm you’re pretty brown”. All the kids on the playground were describing each other’s complexions, and my family never did that stuff.
Amo Husserl
Superstar
You dapped my post above yours that says the gender wars was handed to Gen X.
I was speaking on my perspective as a millennial watching the baton get passed from Gen X.
Continued up into the 80s-90s, that's Gen X. Who passed them the baton?
After the dot-com boom and the millennium the baton was passed to millennials.
I was speaking on that, my experience... guess you can call it the contemporary gender wars.
But... look: if the gender wars been going on since the 1970s, why did it happen after the Civil Rights Movement?
After Black Power, Women’s Liberation
If the WLM can feel solidarity with the hated middle class, and vice versa, then an alliance with poor women of all colors should be no problem.
nymag.com
Issue dropped in '69.
PAWGs ain't that crazy. Black people get Civil Rights and white women come 'round and got us fighting each other while riding off with affirmative action benefits. They didn't get voting rights after the Civil War back in 1865, they spun the block for the 19th Amendment mobilizing black women, too.
Meanwhile black men and black women arguin' with each other. A key turning point was at the end of the 19th century:
Around the 1920s was when Black people started messin' with Communism, a key factor in what become second wave feminism.
I gotta go, but you do the knowledge..
This is spoken about by some of our leaders of the time. Also, claims were made that the CIA, FBI, etc were involved in making sure the strong unity the Black community had before the Civil Rights Act would not continue into the future. Turning Black men and women against each other was just one facet of the programs and ideologies they created to accomplish their goals of weakening the Black community's unity.You dapped my post above yours that says the gender wars was handed to Gen X.
I was speaking on my perspective as a millennial watching the baton get passed from Gen X.
Continued up into the 80s-90s, that's Gen X. Who passed them the baton?
After the dot-com boom and the millennium the baton was passed to millennials.
I was speaking on that, my experience... guess you can call it the contemporary gender wars.
But... look: if the gender wars been going on since the 1970s, why did it happen after the Civil Rights Movement?
After Black Power, Women’s Liberation
If the WLM can feel solidarity with the hated middle class, and vice versa, then an alliance with poor women of all colors should be no problem.
Issue dropped in '69.
PAWGs ain't that crazy. Black people get Civil Rights and white women come 'round and got us fighting each other while riding off with affirmative action benefits. They didn't get voting rights after the Civil War back in 1865, they spun the block for the 19th Amendment mobilizing black women, too.
Meanwhile black men and black women arguin' with each other. A key turning point was at the end of the 19th century:
Around the 1920s was when Black people started messin' with Communism, a key factor in what become second wave feminism.
I gotta go, but you do the knowledge..
At the end of the day though, the solutions can not be found in the hands of those with a vested interest to keep the status quo. We must resolve the issues within ourselves, and that starts with us recognizing the parts we played in allowing ourselves to be separated and at each others metaphorical throats.
How to do that? Well, I have to admit that I do not know. So, I have resolved to focus more on building the wellbeing of my family and and people in my area.
ThrobbingHood
Breh&Breh Associates™
“You know us black folk turn into redbones during the winter.”coli told me its just the camera flash
bourgeoisie tall freak
Superstar
But is the thing about experience is youre supposed to get better at something not worse
some people don't do makeup good no matter the age, it is what it is.
plus, she probably had a pro doing her makeup back when she was playing. i can tell they put a lot of effort into thinning the ish out of her eyebrows in those pics in the OP, poor girl
but that's not the look these days. that's just one example. another example is having a bright undereye and middle of the face. that's probably where a lot of people go wrong lol.but she seems to do ok on her own now, with an occasional bad look.
but if it's not giving for you
.i don't think she cares about yall approval.
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Fanservice
Bih call me senpai
Out here looking like Johnathan Majors
Amo Husserl
Superstar
Teach them.
All you can do is teach them, but be ready to teach.