Cold War II: The United States vs Trump and Co. A Russian Affair

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From the reddit megathread on the Manafort ruling:

The most significant lies affirmed by the court today are those regarding Russian Intelligence Officer Konstantin Kilimnik and the meeting at the Havana Club on August 2. The key points, which were touched upon nicely in this WaPo article yesterday:

• The meeting happened while Manafort was Trump's Campaign Chairman, and was with a person he knew to be a Russian Intelligence Officer.
  
  
• The purpose of the meeting was discussion of a "Ukrainian Peace Plan" which would have involved splitting Ukraine in two and removing all US sanctions - an extremely favorable outcome for Russia.
  
  
• Manafort gave Kilimnik extremely detailed, private internal polling data. This happened after Manafort attended the Trump Tower Meeting, and clearly knew that Russia was actively engaged in an effort to get Trump elected.
  
  
• The Special Counsel explicitly notes that Manafort's lies on these points was motivated by a desire to secure a pardon, implying that telling the full truth would be highly damaging to Donald Trump personally.
  
  
• It is also worth noting that Kilimnik was funnelling money into the Trump Inauguration through GOP operative Sam Patten, who continues to cooperate.
  

All occurrences of the word "Peace Plan" are redacted, but Marcy Wheeler has a nice runthrough of how to read the transcript here. As a supplement, here are relevant bits from the hearing transcript released last week on the polling data:

• On Manafort's lies being motivated by a desire for a pardon, since telling the truth would damage (or even personally implicate) Trump:

Special Counsel: And our view is, that is a lie. That that is really under -- he knew what the Gates 302s were. It's obviously an extremely sensitive issue. And the motive, I think, is plain from the <redacted>, is we can see -- we actually have -- we can see what it is that he would be worried about, which is that the reaction to the idea that <6 lines of redaction> would have, I think, negative consequences in terms of the other motive that Mr. Manafort could have, which is to at least augment his chances for a pardon.

• On the poll being either more detailed or private, and Kilimnik (the Russian Intel Officer) immediately taking a good deal of action overseas related to the data:

Special Counsel: Mr. Manafort, again, now that he's sort of down that road of saying this was just a <redacted> poll, he has to now explain away how it is that the person on the ground [Kilimnik] in the Ukraine doesn't know that. And he says: Well, I didn't tell them. And then you have an email -- I mean, it just got worse and worse, where Mr. Kilimnik is saying: I just spoke to <redacted>, and I am doing X, Y and Z with him.

• On Kilimnik writing a three page report back to Manafort in connection with the polling data:

Special Counsel: What is of interest to us is that the questions in the poll are completely consistent with the ongoing effort, at the very least by Mr. Kilimnik, to promote a <redacted> . Mr. Kilimnik submits a three-page written document in connection with that polling to Mr. Manafort and others to help frame those questions....So, the continuity of Mr. Kilimnik's interest -- and by the way, Mr. Kilimnik points out in that documentation that <redacted> would be able to facilitate Mr. Manafort being the -- that if he were the spokesperson, and denominated as such within the US, that he would also have access to senior people <redacted>-- that's as far as I can go on this record.

 

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[AZBeauty]

Rick Gates is telling it all and even if Trump pardons Manafort. I'm sure the SC will have Gates testimony and the corroborating evidence to support Gates testimony. He doesnt need Manafort to flip.

 

[Blackfyre]

McCabe says Rosenstein's offer to wear wire around Trump was serious: report http://hill.cm/VfSjO4f

10:52 - 14 Feb 2019

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

So Rosenstein might be trying to protect Mueller here by denying McCabes revelations but McCabe is throwing RR under the bus. Whats the play here?

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

So Rosenstein might be trying to protect Mueller here by denying McCabes revelations but McCabe is throwing RR under the bus. Whats the play here?

The play is they clearly don’t like each other

 

[Dameon Farrow]

It's over for cooperation between Manafort and the Special Counsel investigation, they are going to hit him hard as they can at sentencing, and throw him away. They may keep some charges to the side, in case of a pardon, though in this area, Trump isn't likely to risk the political damage, nor is the OSC concerned with political drama and theatre. They will do what they can, and try to get him like 100 months in custody.

There is no validity to his statements and no way they would risk a jury trial or even an affidavit with Manafort as a witness. He simply has no credibility.

Manafort fukked himself as hard as possible.

Dude just knew he was getting pardoned. Trump won't even acknowledge his existence anymore?
Somebody should ask him if the bus needs a new muffler.

 

[Blackfyre]

Senate Judiciary Committee Chair Lindsey Graham would like Andrew McCabe "and others" to come and testify about the Carter Page FISA warrant and "what appears to be, now more than ever, bias against President Trump"
11:10 - 14 Feb 2019

 

[Tommy Fits]

Why would McCabe say this publicly even if true. He should know better that Trump, fox, and his supporters will use this as proof of a deep state conspiracy to remove trump

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

The play is they clearly don’t like each other

Right...but why would he compromise..ah fukk it. This is a clusterfukk. Barr gonna come in and now have justification to kill the investigation and suppress the report. Tell me im wrong.

 

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[dtownreppin214]

toobin says manafort already looks ready to drop.

 

[fact]

The play is they clearly don’t like each other

Sometimes it’s as simple as a man that it is angry, prideful, and has an ego. He is hurt that he didn’t get his pension after devoting his entire life to the FBI. He is putting his pride before all. This whole thing is fukking CRAZY!!! I mean if you break it down to the true reality of the situation, these FBI officials, yes, they did some fukked up, EVIL things, that they should have been held accountable for (targeting people of color, as citizens, just to put down their attempts to organize in demanding justice for inequality) but what they are being dragged through the mud for is actually only because they were doing what was best for the country. It’s not fair that the person in charge of the country is a full fledged criminal, and these guys got fired because said criminal is actively using the DOJ to cover up his crimes. As much as RR is “helping” by assigning the SC, he is also guilty of railroading these FBI officials and has helped Trunp get away with his crimes to this point. Yes, the SC will expose some of it, but it should have NEVER gotten to this point.

 

[AZBeauty]

McCabe really on some fukk shyt with that interivew and book but I don't care. Let get in front of the Graham & world and tell them how fukking unfit Trump is to be President. I hope they shyt all over him, blasting him on corruption, on him being an agent, on him not reading, on him not comprehending and accepting intelligence etc etc.