Classics Discussion: Wu-Tang Clan & Ol' Dirty b*stard

[mobbinfms]

Anyone tell me why Return to 36 isn't classic?

Quality.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

Quality.

I was hoping you'd say that


Ok.

Return to the 36 is basically a blank canvas album. You know from the intro ODB is kinda performing a live show type thing, so he's just taking you into his crazy world. It's an album with direction but without direction. So it seems like a cop out, but it excuses the track list to be played in any order due to the chaotic nature of ODB himself.

Now track-wise, which tracks don't you fukk with? I can name only one or two filler tracks period on a 17 track LP.

 

[patscorpio]

god bless Ason Unique....when he died, a part of hiphop i loved died as well

Return to the 36 is classic, nikka Please no

I remember after coming back from Nigeria that summer of 99 and I was like half asleep in the limo van, but I heard like the tail end of this joint on the radio that had me in my mind like "What the fukk is this?"..shyt sounded dope. within the week I would find out what it was - Got Your Money..I was like Dirty really just created a crossover banger and took it to the next level ..I wore that song out all senior year in HS..that was my anthem. That shyt was too classic. I really thought it was going to be on the up and up for him. Unfortunately that turned out to be Dirty's last hit ever

nikka Please the album was hilarious to listen to no question but even for Dirty it was a little too wild..Return was just a right mix of Dirty and crazy..there was a balance if you want to call it that lol

The Wu albums

Enter the 36 = all time undisputed classic
Wu Tang Forever - everyone on the album dialed it up significantly on the lyrics..especially RZA...dude was kicking GOAT level rhymes in this era..classic album
the W....i thought it was very dope..some songs had to grow on me a little though
Iron Flag is where i thought it was cool but it was missing something besides ODB. Definitely didn't think it was classic. I might have to revisit this album in the near future

nonetheless the Wu is my favorite group of all time..to this day

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

@patscorpio no fukking kidding bruh, especially about RZA on Wu Forever

on arguably one of the best constructed songs of all time, A Better Tomorrow, he probably had the best verse


Y'all bytches love dances, and pulling down your pants
While your man's on tour, your spending up his advances
Your friends ain't shyt, all they do is drink, smoke, and suck dikk
The whole projects is trapped in stench
You either high school drop-outs, one to three cop-outs
Fifteen years old, shorty ass and top out
Ninety-nine cent beer drinking p*ssy stinking
fukking so much your ass and titties start shrinking
New World Order slave trade, minimum wage, Medicaid
Can a devil fool a Muslim nowadays
Inside my lab, I'm going mad
Took two drags off theblunts, and started breaking down the flag
The blue is for the Crips, the red is for the Bloods
The whites for the cops, and the stars come from the clubs
Or the slugs that ignites, through the night, by the dawn
Early light,why is sons fighting for the stripe

 

[Black_Panther_JS]

why you include Return in this fo

 

[Black_Panther_JS]

36
Forever
Return

all classics

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

36
Forever
Return

all classics

due to poll numbers I could squeeze in both ODB albums, so i'm doing Wu (group) and ODB

 

[arel]

Yes for enter and return. No for the rest. No brainer this time tho no doubt forever will get some support.

 

[Black_Panther_JS]

anyone saying Forever isn't a classic needs to stop trolling

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

I don't understand how Wu Forever isn't a classic

Let AEOM get classic status brehs, not not this superior double disc LP

 

[arel]

I reckon you can trace a line from odb to most of hip hop today, thru wayne. 90% sure given wayne consciously took heed from odb in his most influential years. (10% thinks I'm overlooking something I once considered tho). no better account of odb than return and those singles are everything.

 

[mobbinfms]

I was hoping you'd say that


Ok.

Return to the 36 is basically a blank canvas album. You know from the intro ODB is kinda performing a live show type thing, so he's just taking you into his crazy world. It's an album with direction but without direction. So it seems like a cop out, but it excuses the track list to be played in any order due to the chaotic nature of ODB himself.

Now track-wise, which tracks don't you fukk with? I can name only one or two filler tracks period on a 17 track LP.

I had the tape in 95. I didn't think it was that great. A big step down from 36. I didn't even cop Tical b/c I'd heard bad things about it. OBFCL and LS were leaps and bounds above Return.
I remember listening to it again a few years back and not being all that impressed.
Some classic tracks without question.
Shimmy and Brooklyn Zoo are all time classic Wu songs.
Cutting Heads was ridiculous.
Raw Hide.

What are the other landmark tracks?
I can't really remember the tracklist.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

I had the tape in 95. I didn't think it was that great. A big step down from 36. I didn't even cop Tical b/c I'd heard bad things about it. OBFCL and LS were leaps and bounds above Return.
I remember listening to it again a few years back and not being all that impressed.
Some classic tracks without question.
Shimmy and Brooklyn Zoo are all time classic Wu songs.
Cutting Heads was ridiculous.
Raw Hide.

What are the other landmark tracks?
I can't really remember the tracklist.

Yeah Tical isn't a classic admittedly. But this is a far better album. And just because OB4CL and LS are far better, that speaks to how GOOD those albums are, rather than how relatively bad Return to 36 is.

Other tracks: Baby C'mon, Damage, The Stomp, Snakes, Brooklyn Zoo II, Protect Ya Neck II

That leaves the good tracks that just fit in the middle of the album nicely: Hippa to the Hoppa, Goin' Down, Drunk Game

And the filler: Don't You Know

 

[Black_Panther_JS]

I don't understand how Wu Forever isn't a classic

Let AEOM get classic status brehs, not not this superior double disc LP

you said that shyt cause you know i was here

AEOM is superior to it easily
AEOM's highs are GOAT-Tier and it's filled ith highs

there is no bad songs and the production is god like

features is crazy
flow is crazy

etc...

AEOM is waaaaaaay better than Forever and is waaaaaaaay more influential

 

[mobbinfms]

I don't understand how Wu Forever isn't a classic

Let AEOM get classic status brehs, not not this superior double disc LP

AEOM got there first.
Forever was considered a step down from 36
It marked when Wu lost the streets.
To me - the holy trinity of double albums is AEOM, LAD and WTF - that debate over which is the best will never end - they are all classics to me.
Quality is high throughout...a number of non-singles still ring bells.
Truimph is still an all-time classic Wu single