Classics Discussion: Wu-Tang Clan & Ol' Dirty b*stard

[Inspect Her Deck]

Ok so some of y'all will be familiar with a project I'm deciding to run. I made this thread: The Official 'Classic Album' Discussion Thread, trying to reach a conclusion as to what defines a classic album. After much discussion, I am running with this definition personally, so take it as you will when you consider your classic albums. But this definition in particular was most agreed upon.

Classic: 1. An album considered by consensus of the core hip hop community to be of the highest quality (doesn't have to be perfect or flawless, just an album that the consensus deems the shyt).
2. Assuming that condition 1 is met, is this an album that has stood the test of time amongst the core hip hop community? Is that an album still held in high regard, still referenced at least ten years after its release? By a consensus of the hip hop community?

Props to @mobbinfms for the definition and also for his help generally in helping me with ideas to create these threads.

So I'll be going through one artist per day, and I will list out all their discography or close to all of it until the year 2005, as we decided that an album needs at least 10 years of existence before it can be called a classic or not.

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To help bring even more attention to these threads, I'm gonna create a hashtag (again props to mobbinfms for the idea) and I urge you guys to click on the tag and click on the option to watch the tag.

Here it is: #coliclassics

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We're now tackling the almighty Wu-Tang Clan and their heart and soul, Ol' Dirty b*stard!

Get voting!

I will be making a POLL. For each album I will present a YES or NO option so if you think that particular album is a classic, you click 'yes' on the poll for THAT album and vice-versa. The acceptance rate for an album to be deemed a CERTIFIED classic is 80%.

If you don't think an album is a classic, DO NOT LEAVE THE POLL BLANK. You vote NO for that album instead so at least we register your vote.

I will NOT count any comments in the thread as votes, you must use the poll. The comments section should be used for discussion only.

Tagging some mods:

@FreshAIG @That Singer Guy... @hustlemania @houston911 @SoulController

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

#coliclassics

Remember not to be bias, either in favour of or against the Wu. Be impartial.

That said, I have given every album on that list a yes vote!

 

[The Ruler 09]

36 Chambers definitely, Wu Tang Forever I'mma play some more with the mind state of thinking if it's classic or not. The rest of the Wu albums definitely not...

 

[mobbinfms]

#coliclassics

Remember not to be bias, either in favour of or against the Wu. Be impartial.

That said, I have given every album on that list a yes vote!

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

Return to the 36 is a classic

Hugely impactful, especially today with these off the wall, do whatever you want rappers. Still gets recognised albeit on a smaller scale. Brooklyn Zoo still gets love. And the album is just fukking sick. Beats, rhymes, the concept, the freedom ODB had. Really underrated and deserving of classic status.

 

[mobbinfms]

36 is a no brainer
Forever I'm going yes - I will entertain arguments against it.
W is a close call - I think its a great album that's slept on...but I don't think it has the timelessness...so I'm voting no. I'll entertain arguments in favor.
Everything else is a no.
I'd love to hear arguments in favor of Return to the 36.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

Wu-Tang Forever is also a classic

influential as hell especially for Just Blaze and Kanye on the production tip

The peak of the Wu rhyming-wise and for a double album, it comes together so well. Minimal filler, less than any other 'classic' double album like LAD or AEOM

it also deserves a classic

 

[Deltron]

36 and Forever....nothing for ODB, sorry Osirus

















































and Once Upon a Time in Shaolin

 

[StraightUpMenace]

Voted yes for 36 Chambers, Wu-Tang Forever, and Return To The 36 Chambers. I voted "no" for The W even though I personally prefer it over Forever. Didn't vote on the other two because I haven't heard them.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

If anyone has queries or undecided about Return to 36, I'll explain it for them upon request

Whether its regarding its quality or its influence.

 

[SirBiatch]

only one. And we all know which one that is.

I haven't heard "Forever" in full since '98. I've never heard anyone go "yo, that Forever album I've been bumping that shyt nonstop breh!" Classic cuts on there for sure (my favorite is still Cash Rules from what I remember), but the whole thing classic? nah

 

[Piff Perkins]

36 Chambers and Wu Forever. I think you could make the case that Wu Forever is the best hip hop double alblum, and one of the best double albums in music period. Wu Forever also includes multiple cases of RZA playing with the speed up soul sample sound that Kanye would commercialize a few years later.

Personally I don't think ODB has a classic album.

 

[Ashtrey]

36 Chambers and that's where it stops.

 

[Dirty D]

First 2 group albums. That's it.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

Anyone tell me why Return to 36 isn't classic?