Classics Discussion: Nas

[Inspect Her Deck]

Y'all were going so well

UNTIL we got to Pac...and now again with Nas

suddenly the word gets devalued and we're throwing out classics like STDs in a brothel

 

[NasirJr]

Why is Stillmatic a classic? I think its quality is questionable tbh

According to your definition in the th debate we had in the mobb deep thread, it is. It had a big impact (Ether) and it was a great album quality wise.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

According to your definition in the th debate we had in the mobb deep thread, it is. It had a big impact (Ether) and it was a great album quality wise.

I'm not denying the impact fam I'm denying the quality tbh

BUT, that's not as bad as people voting in God's Son or even Street's Disciple lmao

 

[BmoreGorilla]

Illmatic, IWW, Stillmatic, Gods Son all classics

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

Illmatic, IWW, Stillmatic, Gods Son all classics

out of interest, how many Redman albums did you vote classic?

 

[BmoreGorilla]

out of interest, how many Redman albums did you vote classic?

The first 4

 

[the cac mamba]

Who the fukk voted Nastradamus a classic?



@Cali_livin

awful opinion

ill and IWW are classic

stillmatic is a near classic, but the impact of ether makes it certified for me

 

[-Quikness-]

's first 3 are classic

Everything else is solid

I am?

Illmatic .. It was written

Stillmatic to me is a cliche classic just because of the Jay beef and how that album was much better than his last two .. I can see why some people including myself have always called it a classic. But to me it has a few songs that aren't the same quality as the others,that's why I'm not calling it a classic ..

Gods son is a great album,again I can see why people call it classic ..

With lines like ..

"If Virgin Mary had an abortion / i'd still be carried in a chariot,by stampeding horses ... "

Who says shyt like that!?

But I'm gonna say illmatic and it was written ..

Besides Pac and Biggie there's no better hip hop artist imo ..

 

[BmoreGorilla]

awful opinion

ill and IWW are classic

stillmatic is a near classic, but the impact of ether makes it certified for me

There were some who thought Nas was finished. Stillmatic was his Mama Said knock You Out

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

awful opinion

ill and IWW are classic

stillmatic is a near classic, but the impact of ether makes it certified for me

Stillmatic is a tweener, so I wouldn't be mad if someone said yes but at the same time it isn't really to the calibre of some of the albums that have made my overall list so far. It would probably be the weakest album there.

The other two I agree, but even IWW is debated to an extent.

Where ya been bruh? need you in these threads!

The first 4

fair enough man.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

I am?

Illmatic .. It was written

Stillmatic to me is a cliche classic just because of the Jay beef and how that album was much better than his last two .. I can see why some people including myself have always called it a classic. But to me it has a few songs that aren't the same quality as the others,that's why I'm not calling it a classic ..

Gods son is a great album,again I can see why people call it classic ..

With lines like ..

"If Virgin Mary had an abortion / i'd still be carried in a chariot,by stampeding horses ... "

Who says shyt like that!?

But I'm gonna say illmatic and it was written ..

Besides Pac and Biggie there's no better hip hop artist imo ..

That makes perfect sense. He's the God MC

 

[NasirJr]

I'm not denying the impact fam I'm denying the quality tbh

BUT, that's not as bad as people voting in God's Son or even Street's Disciple lmao

here we go again

The intro, ether, you're da man, rewind, one mic, 2nd childhood, destroy and rebuild, the flyest, rule, what goes around

You cannot deny stillmatic

 

[-Quikness-]

That makes perfect sense. He's the God MC

What you talking about? I was praising the line

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

here we go again

The intro, ether, you're da man, rewind, one mic, 2nd childhood, destroy and rebuild, the flyest, rule, what goes around

You cannot deny stillmatic

braveheart party

smokin

my country

I mean...we can just name random tracks.

Even if you name that many tracks, it just means the album is dope as hell. But why should it be a classic?

I didn't even give Mobb Deep's Hell on Earth a classic, and that album is better than anything Nas has done except Illmatic. It's around equal level with IWW. IWW and Illmatic are far superior to Stillmatic quality-wise, so there's no way it can be a classic for me, unless y'all wanna look at impact exclusively, which isn't wise imo.

 

[BlackMamba824]

I expect Nas to honestly get one classic (Illmatic), but I voted Illmatic, IWW, and Stillmatic. God's Son is just a good cd, and even if Lost Tapes had been included I couldn't give it the classic label (mainly because the impact wouldn't be there).

I won't speak on Illmatic, but I think IWW is right there with Illmatic lyrically minus Nas Is Coming. Honestly, I'm sure this is an unpopular opinion, but I always felt like Black Girl Lost was the one song that didn't fit in with the album's theme or content. It wasn't exactly a single nor did it introduce the world to what would later become the Firm (Nas Is Coming/Affirmative Action). It just seemed like a dope song that just happened to be there. Just my opinion, and i'm criticizing just for the sake of it. I honestly feel like in many ways, Nas stepped up his song-writing and lyrics on this album, but it's just not as "perfect". Another issue with this album I think is that for better or worse a lot of songs "blend" together giving them a singular feel unlike Illmatic/Stillmatic where every song more or less has it's own identify. Some might argue that it makes the album feel more cohesive, and I can't argue against that. Just my observation.

With Stillmatic, I can understand if someone doesn't appreciate the quality of a few songs on the album, but honestly other than My Country, I think it's great from front to back. I've never expected a classic album to be "perfect" though. I might understand criticisms of Rule although it wouldn't be an opinion that I share. I've always felt that song-for-song I get way more excited about listening to Stillmatic over It Was Written the only difference being that the weaker songs on IWW are scattered throughout the album, while the argument with Stillmatic has been that the latter half is less consistent than the front 9-10 tracks. WIth that said, it may not be a popular opinion, but I think the highs on Stillmatic are just as high if not HIGHER than those on IWW (not lyrically, but from an artistic/song standpoint). Factor in the beef with Jay/Ether, and this album represents a monumental moment in hip hop that I think just gives it the nod in spite of consistency.