CLARENCE THOMAS needs his a$$ whupped...........

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He opened the door for southern states, counties and districts to make voting difficult for individual people. They can now make their own voting laws (voter IDs, etc) without federal oversight.

exactly!!!...hell they might as well and I wouldn't be surprised if they bring back the "POLL TAX" that got repealed back in the 60's...

just imagine ....You having to not only pay a fee to participate in elections but having your Credit Check just to VOTE...

I wouldn't put it past MY STATE........Georgia to do something like that as well as bring back literacy tests or anything to suppress the voting privilages of not only blacks but the underclass
 

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exactly!!!...hell they might as well and I wouldn't be surprised if they bring back the "POLL TAX" that got repealed back in the 60's...

just imagine ....You having to not only pay a fee to participate in elections but having your Credit Check just to VOTE...

I wouldn't put it past MY STATE........Georgia to do something like that as well as bring back literacy tests or anything to suppress the voting privilages of not only blacks but the underclass


now ya just reaching. :beli:

people have to vote on the crazy suggestions to make it a law first (In Maryland gay marriage was a questions people had to vote on)....state just can't inact something like a credit check to vote. You mean to tell me the 1% outnumber the 99%?, hahaha.
 

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what's going on? states gonna be able to change voting hrs?



take off from work or vote during lunch break. This ain't horse and buggy when you gotta preplan.

I'm pretty sure most people work 8hr days. I don't see how white people work different hours....they get extra leave or time off?

The votes the republicans count on are the elderly. So they can have them vote at any time and the upper class too. They can leave work when they feel like it. They won't totally eliminate voting times that minorities usually use, but they will cut back the hours big time. They did it in Florida and they will will do it elsewhere, just to stay in Florida. That ID requirement is just the first round of fukkery.
 

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He opened the door for southern states, counties and districts to make voting difficult for individual people. They can now make their own voting laws (voter IDs, etc) without federal oversight.

I'm interested in YOUR understanding of what has taken place. :lupe:

I'm not necessarily defending the decision, I just don't see it as being something earth shattering like a lot of people are reacting to it. Also, I think the reasoning behind the decision isn't so grossly conceived to suggest some kind of conspiracy to take away anyone's rights.

What I understand is, during the civil rights era the Federal government was granted extraordinary powers over the individual states ability to conduct its own business, and the part of the voting rights act they struck down was one example of that. It was like extraordinary measures for extraordinary times, but it was also of questionable constitutionality. But just like how we see the government operating outside of the constitution in response to terrorism, when shyt gets very bad the political environment allows for it. People are majority willing to accept the government doing this during moments like that.

Now it seems to court is back pedaling and saying, OK we gave the federal unprecendented power over the state governments, and that was never really constitutional, so now that shyt has calmed down, lets give the states back their autonomy. If states begin to egregiously abuse voter rights, it will be interesting to see what happens next, but I don't think that will happen.
I expect the states to do some questionable things, more akin to trolling, and the media and politicians jumping up in arms like slavery is back.

:usure:
 

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I'm not necessarily defending the decision, I just don't see it as being something earth shattering like a lot of people are reacting to it. Also, I think the reasoning behind the decision isn't so grossly conceived to suggest some kind of conspiracy to take away anyone's rights.

What I understand is, during the civil rights era the Federal government was granted extraordinary powers over the individual states ability to conduct its own business, and the part of the voting rights act they struck down was one example of that. It was like extraordinary measures for extraordinary times, but it was also of questionable constitutionality. But just like how we see the government operating outside of the constitution in response to terrorism, when shyt gets very bad the political environment allows for it. People are majority willing to accept the government doing this during moments like that.

Now it seems to court is back pedaling and saying, OK we gave the federal unprecendented power over the state governments, and that was never really constitutional, so now that shyt has calmed down, lets give the states back their autonomy. If states begin to egregiously abuse voter rights, it will be interesting to see what happens next, but I don't think that will happen.
I expect the states to do some questionable things, more akin to trolling, and the media and politicians jumping up in arms like slavery is back.

:usure:

Are you familiar with states rights as an element of the southern strategy and how it relates to racism?
 

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Are you familiar with states rights as an element of the southern strategy and how it relates to racism?

Listen dude, nothing is perfect. End of the day, every "freedom" involves compromise. You give the federal government power there's a potential for abuse, you give it to the states same thing. If laws are to have integrity they need to be upheld. Constitution has been undermined by a lot of extreme circumstances, setting bad precedents... The states should have their autonomy, it's in the constitution.

I think if states had the power they were supposed to have, you'd see a bigger emphasis on local politics, rather than national politics which is just a shell game at this point. Obama can't do more for your day-to-day life like your governor can. Let the southern states figure out how to make state government reflect the will of their population. Y'all over relying on the Feds, but believe if states went midevil the fed would step in, in a heart beat, regardless of whatever laws on the books. It's a different moment in history right now.
 

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Listen dude, nothing is perfect. End of the day, every "freedom" involves compromise. You give the federal government power there's a potential for abuse, you give it to the states same thing. If laws are to have integrity they need to be upheld. Constitution has been undermined by a lot of extreme circumstances, setting bad precedents... The states should have their autonomy, it's in the constitution.

I think if states had the power they were supposed to have, you'd see a bigger emphasis on local politics, rather than national politics which is just a shell game at this point. Obama can't do more for your day-to-day life like your governor can. Let the southern states figure out how to make state government reflect the will of their population. Y'all over relying on the Feds, but believe if states went midevil the fed would step in, in a heart beat, regardless of whatever laws on the books. It's a different moment in history right now.

Without the interference of the federal government through court decisions and laws do you think the southern states would have voluntary chose to dissolve their system of de faco black disenfranchisement?
 

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Without the interference of the federal government through court decisions and laws do you think the southern states would have voluntary chose to dissolve their system of de faco black disenfranchisement?

Re-read my posts on this. Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures, we all understand this and if you read the courts decision you will see this is clearly acknowledged throughout. Reasonable minds can differ on the topic, but too many here are behaving like this is the most outrageous miscarriage of justice in modern times.

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Thomas is the most disingenuous type of c00n. He hides behind the principle of legal formalism and originalism knowing very well its a political result he desires. No matter the issue he always seems to find a way to vote in a manner that hurts the least amongst us. Law School was filled with these type of c00ns, they felt deriding other blacks at every opportunity made them that special and acceptable negro that whites would love.
 

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Re-read my posts on this. Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures, we all understand this and if you read the courts decision you will see this is clearly acknowledged throughout. Reasonable minds can differ on the topic, but too many here are behaving like this is the most outrageous miscarriage of justice in modern times.

:usure:

I saw you implicitly acknowledged that but I wanted to get a firm answer before I asked you this: what circumstances have led you to believe the time for federal oversight has passed, Especially in light of the voter ID shenanigans we saw last cycle ( However, I acknowledge this was not just a southern problem).

The Court putting this on the lap of congress knowing very well they are not going to touch this issue is willful blindness.
 

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I saw you implicitly acknowledged that but I wanted to get a firm answer before I asked you this: what circumstances have led you to believe the time for federal oversight has passed, Especially in light of the voter ID shenanigans we saw last cycle ( However, I acknowledge this was not just a southern problem).

The Court putting this on the lap of congress knowing very well they are not going to touch this issue is willful blindness.

Yeah the voter ID thing is a good example of the shenanigans I expect states to pull. It also reminds me of the immigration law Arizona floated, that died shortly after. I hope these kind of state actions inspire political activism in the communities most affected by them on the local level, as well as the national level. Without the reliance on the fed to save the day, people will be forced to take more accountability hopefully.

It's not that any one circumstance leads me to believe the time for federal oversight has passed, it's a combination of developments. But mostly I just have the belief that the paternal relationship the fed govt has developed with the black community especially has become toxic for both parties. And then the opportunists who capitalize on on strengthening the paternal bond usually are benefitting themselves far more than the "community" which I think is over relying on the federal govt in several ways to fight their fight.
 

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Yeah the voter ID thing is a good example of the shenanigans I expect states to pull. It also reminds me of the immigration law Arizona floated, that died shortly after. I hope these kind of state actions inspire political activism in the communities most affected by them on the local level, as well as the national level. Without the reliance on the fed to save the day, people will be forced to take more accountability hopefully.

It's not that any one circumstance leads me to believe the time for federal oversight has passed, it's a combination of developments. But mostly I just have the belief that the paternal relationship the fed govt has developed with the black community especially has become toxic for both parties. And then the opportunists who capitalize on on strengthening the paternal bond usually are benefitting themselves far more than the "community" which I think is over relying on the federal govt in several ways to fight their fight.

In principle I agree with every single point you made. Hopefully, you're right and it will actually galvanize local black communities. I'm just extremely pessimistic.
 
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