Chicago Crime Tracking Thread

[Red Shield]

Why are you CACs so obsessed with Chicago?

tell me about it.

This concern trolling about ONE fukking city

 

[kingjones29]

I live in Chicago and i can tell yall that a lot of these shootings are not gang related but police shootings. You talk to almost everyone in the area and they all say the same thing, the police be straight up executing kids or in the worst cases some kids be going missing never to be seen again. Don't believe anything the media says.....

most of these shootings are gang related homie the people you talk to are wrong

 

[SmokyQuartz]

most of these shootings are gang related homie the people you talk to are wrong

Believe what you want

 

[SmokyQuartz]

And? I'm referring to the people who told you that.

Why would other blacks lie to another black person for sympathy..... oh wait i see how it is

 

[newworldafro]

So all the cameras on the streets haven't done shiit...

 

[phobos:\\]

Rap music exalts the violence and crime that goes on in Chicago so I'm not surprised.

Especially with this whole trap and drill movement

The music is only an understood expression - by those that create it - of the crime in Chicago, not the cause of the crime. When there is, poverty caused by economic segregation, loss of jobs or lack of jobs, and when many ill-fated impacts on health are ripe in the environment, you will see a spike in crime rates.

30% (or around that percentage) of Black people are poor in Chicago. The poverty rate is stark in comparison to whites. Some of the reasons are due to redlining. Redlining supposedly ended in 1968, and the purpose of redlining was to mark certain areas of concentrated unfavorable people (Black people at the time), red. These areas were then deprived of resources from the government, and soon the banks would adopt the same practices. What that meant was these Black neighborhoods wouldn’t get government loans or private loans to build up their neighborhoods like the highly concentrated white parts of town.

Today, this downright racist practice has been outlawed but still exists in subtle forms (consider predatory lending). There was a recent case (2010) of redlining by Associated Bank denying minorities (specifically Black and Hispanics) loans who were equally qualified as their white counterparts. This recent case only goes to show that the practice did not outright end rather rearranged itself to escape scrutiny and legal issues. Even so, the redlining that did occur in the 1930s stifled Black growth so much that even if redlining end completely in all its subtle forms and outright forms, Blacks would still have issues in creating wealth due to the economic times we are currently in today.

The 1930s – 1970s were crucial times of building up a sizable middle class, and whites could build up their middle-class base throughout those decades, whereas Blacks were basically denied loans and governmental loans for being Black. It is easy to say that, “those practices don’t exist today so why are they broke and committing crime?”, the answer is multifaceted meaning it isn’t just one answer/solution to the problem. While the white middle class was created and white wealth grew, the criminal element grew in Black-concentrated areas. It is hard to uproot that because it is now harder for Blacks to create wealth or create enough capital for a down payment on a home.

Understanding the history of Chicago and the Black residents there is important in understanding why there is a large crime element today. If you refuse to understand it, you run the risk of making asinine statements such as: “The crime in Chicago is because of the music”, or, “The crime in Chicago is because Blacks are inherently violent”, or, “The crime in Chicago is because of Black Lives Matter”, or some other nonsense I’ve had the displeasure of reading.

Side point: Even though I believe the music to be a symptom of the problem, it can fuel violence because it creates a subculture centered around it and normalizes it to an extent. That coupled with parents having a hard time watching their children due to working hours upon hours or there only being a single parent stifles a child’s chances of either not joining a gang or participating in some degree in crime. And because a lot of the hierarchal gang structure that existed in the past isn’t present, you have a bunch of disparate gangs running about trying to show-off whatever notion of manhood they’ve understood through their environment.


Here are some links for further information:

Redlining - Wikipedia

America's Most Economically Segregated Cities

The most American city: Chicago, race, and inequality | Brookings Institution

 

[Black Haven]

The music is only an understood expression - by those that create it - of the crime in Chicago, not the cause of the crime. When there is, poverty caused by economic segregation, loss of jobs or lack of jobs, and when many ill-fated impacts on health are ripe in the environment, you will see a spike in crime rates.

30% (or around that percentage) of Black people are poor in Chicago. The poverty rate is stark in comparison to whites. Some of the reasons are due to redlining. Redlining supposedly ended in 1968, and the purpose of redlining was to mark certain areas of concentrated unfavorable people (Black people at the time), red. These areas were then deprived of resources from the government, and soon the banks would adopt the same practices. What that meant was these Black neighborhoods wouldn’t get government loans or private loans to build up their neighborhoods like the highly concentrated white parts of town.

Today, this downright racist practice has been outlawed but still exists in subtle forms (consider predatory lending). There was a recent case (2010) of redlining by Associated Bank denying minorities (specifically Black and Hispanics) loans who were equally qualified as their white counterparts. This recent case only goes to show that the practice did not outright end rather rearranged itself to escape scrutiny and legal issues. Even so, the redlining that did occur in the 1930s stifled Black growth so much that even if redlining end completely in all its subtle forms and outright forms, Blacks would still have issues in creating wealth due to the economic times we are currently in today.

The 1930s – 1970s were crucial times of building up a sizable middle class, and whites could build up their middle-class base throughout those decades, whereas Blacks were basically denied loans and governmental loans for being Black. It is easy to say that, “those practices don’t exist today so why are they broke and committing crime?”, the answer is multifaceted meaning it isn’t just one answer/solution to the problem. While the white middle class was created and white wealth grew, the criminal element grew in Black-concentrated areas. It is hard to uproot that because it is now harder for Blacks to create wealth or create enough capital for a down payment on a home.

Understanding the history of Chicago and the Black residents there is important in understanding why there is a large crime element today. If you refuse to understand it, you run the risk of making asinine statements such as: “The crime in Chicago is because of the music”, or, “The crime in Chicago is because Blacks are inherently violent”, or, “The crime in Chicago is because of Black Lives Matter”, or some other nonsense I’ve had the displeasure of reading.

Side point: Even though I believe the music to be a symptom of the problem, it can fuel violence because it creates a subculture centered around it and normalizes it to an extent. That coupled with parents having a hard time watching their children due to working hours upon hours or there only being a single parent stifles a child’s chances of either not joining a gang or participating in some degree in crime. And because a lot of the hierarchal gang structure that existed in the past isn’t present, you have a bunch of disparate gangs running about trying to show-off whatever notion of manhood they’ve understood through their environment.


Here are some links for further information:

Redlining - Wikipedia

America's Most Economically Segregated Cities

The most American city: Chicago, race, and inequality | Brookings Institution

Excellent points! I would also like to add self hate, egocentricism, low self esteem and, mental illness as probable causes to for the rampant violence we're witnessing in low class neighborhoods.

 

[KOohbt]

What exact streets are the homicides happening on? I wanna tackle this intellectually. Have yet to see anyone on this site have an intelligent discource about Chicago yet.

 

[99 Hunter]

I live in the Southwest side of Chicago in the suburbs.

What I've noticed is that a lot of the neighborhoods are separated some are just poor, some have a bad reputation of violence and crime, and others are just well to do neighborhoods with high up black and white people.

Keep in mind this is the suburbs though.

 

[ezrathegreat]

Don't worry guys, Trump is bringing stop and frisk to fix all of this

 

[99 Hunter]

Don't worry guys, Trump is bringing stop and frisk to fix all of this

It's a somewhat good idea but to be honest it's probably gonna bring more problems than anything. I can see a increase in police harassment in which a lot of the cases the police officers could say someone was pulling out something etc, when the person was clearly unarmed.

 

[phobos:\\]

It's a somewhat good idea but to be honest it's probably gonna bring more problems than anything. I can see a increase in police harassment in which a lot of the cases the police officers could say someone was pulling out something etc, when the person was clearly unarmed.

It's a good idea if implemented competently by a PD that has well trained police officers. Like you said, the act of stopping and frisking becomes counterproductive when officers stop people based on their own judgement stemming from bias and "gut feeling". Often times, a gut feeling is usually wrong as it is more than likely backed up by years of psychological programming by the media and households with very little education/real world experience.

Also, the Chicago Police Department has implemented stop and frisk. Some reports I've read have stated that the CPD uses stop and frisk more than the NYPD back in its heyday (2011-2013).

But stop and frisk strategies in Chicago -- when officers are given the ability to work under their own assumptions -- isn't as effective as one may believe. In fact, it causes a further divide between the community and police department.

Chicago Sets Aside Stop-And-Frisk As Deterrence Strategy, Police Data Show

"University of Illinois at Chicago criminologist Dennis Rosenbaum points out that much of the city’s stop-and-frisk activity focused on geographic “hot spots” where crime was high. “So it’s a saturation approach,” he said.

In those neighborhoods, police were stopping as many people as they could. “A lot of those investigatory stops are probably less fruitful and less likely to yield guns,” Rosenbaum said."

The Effects of Local Police Surges on Crime and Arrests in New York City by John MacDonald, Jeffrey Fagan, Amanda Geller :: SSRN

"
We found that Operation Impact had a statistically significant but relatively small association
with a reduction in total crimes. The formation of impact zones had the largest effect on
reducing robbery and burglary offenses. The data, however, do not distinguish a clear mechanism
for this effect. The increase in probable cause-related stops after the formation of impact
zone had the strongest association with reduced burglary and robbery reports, suggesting that
physical presence of more police and enhanced apprehension may have generated a deterrent
The Effects of Police on Crime and Arrests in New York City effect specific to those crimes. "

Here is an ACLU report with pretty much the same information as above, but it goes into the history of stop and frisk in Chicago.

http://www.aclu-il.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/ACLU_StopandFrisk_6.pdf

 

[99 Hunter]

It's a good idea if implemented competently by a PD that has well trained police officers. Like you said, the act of stopping and frisking becomes counterproductive when officers stop people based on their own judgement stemming from bias and "gut feeling". Often times, a gut feeling is usually wrong as it is more than likely backed up by years of psychological programming by the media and households with very little education/real world experience.

Also, the Chicago Police Department has implemented stop and frisk. Some reports I've read have stated that the CPD uses stop and frisk more than the NYPD back in its heyday (2011-2013).

But stop and frisk strategies in Chicago -- when officers are given the ability to work under their own assumptions -- isn't as effective as one may believe. In fact, it causes a further divide between the community and police department.

Chicago Sets Aside Stop-And-Frisk As Deterrence Strategy, Police Data Show



The Effects of Local Police Surges on Crime and Arrests in New York City by John MacDonald, Jeffrey Fagan, Amanda Geller :: SSRN



Here is an ACLU report with pretty much the same information as above, but it goes into the history of stop and frisk in Chicago.

http://www.aclu-il.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/ACLU_StopandFrisk_6.pdf

You still have to worry about the officers who would abuse their power for amusement and harassment.

 

[phobos:\\]

They would be violating the constitution.

In terms of the constitutionality of stop and frisk, it is constitutional by the 4th amendment but the way in which its implemented/used is unconstitutional.

"The Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution provides, "[t]he right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Fourth Amendment

If not supervised and trained, stop and frisk leads to unconstitutional practices in which police begin targeting Black people based on "gut feelings". Then it becomes harassment as the federal judge in New York noted:

"The idea of universal suspicion without individual evidence is what Americans find abhorrent and what black men in America must constantly fight. It is pervasive in policing policies — like stop-and-frisk, and … neighborhood watch — regardless of the collateral damage done to the majority of innocents. It’s like burning down a house to rid it of mice"

Trump’s false claim that stop and frisk in NYC wasn’t ruled unconstitutional

The use of police stops has been widely cited by city officials as a linchpin of New York’s success story in seeing murders and major crimes fall to historic lows. The police say the practice has saved the lives of thousands of young black and Hispanic men by removing thousands of guns from the streets.

But the judge, Shira A. Scheindlin, found that the Police Department resorted to a “policy of indirect racial profiling” as it increased the number of stops in minority communities. That has led to officers’ routinely stopping “blacks and Hispanics who would not have been stopped if they were white.”

The judge called for a federal monitor to oversee broad reforms, including the use of body-worn cameras for some patrol officers, though she was “not ordering an end to the practice of stop-and-frisk.”

Judge Rejects New York’s Stop-and-Frisk Policy


I personally think stop-and-frisk was implemented because of racial bias. It has always been used to stoke white fears of Black criminality. Violent crime has been on a downward trend, yet people want to say "without unconstitutional practices violent crime will rise". Personally, I believe they get their funding off of Black criminality and keeping Blacks away from white areas. I have no study to back that assumption up, but based on my various readings, this seems to be the case. A boogeyman is always needed to get funding or get the public to back more funds being allocated to positions that will stop the "boogeyman".

 

[ShackZilla89]

Reminiscent of the homicide rates of the 90's smh