Chamberlain, DR J, Havlicek, Rick Barry, Artis Gilmore, Big O;

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Dr. J the rrason i feel in love with basketball :wow:






:ohlawd: go head and drop them links pimpin





I realize not everyone prob has the attn span to watch full NBA games from back then so sometime soon Ill do up the highlights of these games like I did the 72 game.. lotta good plays in these oldschool games
 
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Watched an interview recently where some peeps asked Oscar if he thought Wilt could play in the NBA today and Big O bout blew his top... said the man avgd 50 and 27 and u people dumb enough to ask if he could merely play today? Look like he was about to kill some1 - said that kinda sh*t was a damn insult. Sometimes im :mindblown: how unaware people are about how elite basketball was before Magic and Bird played but then again I got lots of footage (that lately im tryna share) - but based on what people say today ud think the game back then was played by cave men and it dont line up with the footage one bit... U got Dr. J and Kareem goin h2h against guys like Wilt Havlieck and Oscar... did these guys who played in both eras ever try 2 say "u know back b4 I played with Jordan and Magic all them 60s cats weren't as good..." do they look like they doin any better vs this old 60s talent competition vs when they played vs the young up and coming 90's players in the 80s? heeeeeell naw. yall who wonder if oldschool players could play today think about that for a minute


Baseball doesn't have that problem. :myman:
 

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I fukking love these threads.

:salute: to @dantheman9758

I've been reading/watching a lot of Wilt lately. It's crazy to think that dude even existed on this planet.
 
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I fukking love these threads.

:salute: to @dantheman9758

I've been reading/watching a lot of Wilt lately. It's crazy to think that dude even existed on this planet.

I'll be uploading another full-game highlight of him shortly - a 72 regular season game he played against Kareem
 
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Full Game Recap:
20 Second Timeout: Supergames I & II: The 1971 and 1972 NBA-ABA All-Star Games

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(Game was called Supergame II): May 25, 1972, Nassau Coliseum

The NBA threatened to fine and/or suspend any NBA player who participated in Supergame II, but this did not stop the NBA Players Association from assembling another powerhouse team: seven Hall of Famers, six of whom are on the Top 50 List. Hall of Famer and Top 50 player Jerry West was unable to play because his kids were sick and his spot was filled by his Los Angeles Lakers’ teammate, fellow Hall of Famer Gail Goodrich. Paul Silas replaced injured Hall of Famer Dave DeBusschere. The 1972 ABA team featured three (EDIT: FOUR) Hall of Famers—Barry, Erving and Dan Issel (AND ARTIS GILMORE). Before the game Larry Fleischer, NBA Players’ Association counsel, said the two teams were “the finest collection of basketball talent ever assembled on one floor.” Elgin Baylor coached the NBA and Wilt Chamberlain was the team captain; Al Bianchi and Daniels filled those roles for the ABA.

Erving was not fazed by the prospect of competing against the NBA: “For me, coming off my rookie season, I was kind of feeling my oats and feeling like I could play against anybody, anywhere, at any time. I had played in and around New York in the pro summer leagues, so I had a lot of confidence in my ability.”

The only existing tape of the 1972 game consists of 90 minutes of black and white footage from the TVS national broadcast. There are technical problems throughout the recording, mainly with the audio. Don Criqui handled the play by play, while Hot Rod Hundley and Hall of Famer Cliff Hagan provided color commentary. The ABA ball was used in the first half and the NBA ball was used in the second. The ABA’s three point shot was only in effect in the second half.

Supergame II showcased a defensive intensity that differed completely from the way All-Star Games are generally played: in the first quarter alone Donnie Freeman drew a charge on Archie Clark and the ABA nearly forced a shot clock violation before a foul call bailed out the NBA.

Erving entered the game late in the first quarter with the ABA leading 22-14 and he provided an immediate spark, scoring from the left block after a pass from Gilmore. Later he displayed his open court skills, dribbling between his legs without breaking stride, driving hard to the basket and making a double-clutching shot in traffic.

He seemed to be in two places at once when he stopped a 4-on-2 fast break by the NBA. Erving picked up Robertson at the free throw line, forcing Robertson to dish to Clark on the left baseline for what seemed to be a wide open jump shot. Instead, Erving took a big step to meet Clark, swatted the shot out of midair, recovered the ball in the corner, took a couple dribbles upcourt and whipped an outlet to Daniels, who passed to George Thompson for a layup plus the foul. Thompson’s free throw put the ABA up 47-30 with 7:35 left in the first half.

By the third quarter the NBA closed the score to 60-59 and Criqui noted, “Julius Erving led the ABA to a breakaway in the second quarter—they went up by 19—but he’s been on the bench throughout the later part of the second quarter and has not played here in the third quarter.” With about two minutes left in the third quarter and the NBA leading 81-78, Erving returned to the game. Erving closed the third quarter with a fantastic drive against Hawkins from the right wing, dribbling between his legs, than spinning and going between his legs again. Once Erving got clear of Hawkins he elevated over Bob Lanier and made a bank shot.

Sadly, the fourth quarter footage is missing and presumed to be destroyed. The game closed in dramatic fashion. Barry hit a three pointer with 13 seconds left to cut the NBA lead to one. The ABA fouled Clark, who made the first and missed the second attempt. A wild scramble for the rebound ensued. Barry emerged with the ball and launched a desperation three pointer. His game winning attempt fell short and the NBA won 106-104. Lanier scored 15 points and was selected game MVP.

The Mind Boggling Dr. J Dunk

Silas will never forget a particular fourth quarter play from the 1972 game: “The one defining moment was, I had the ball and Doc stole the ball from me and went down and slammed this thing harder than I had ever seen anybody slam the ball in my life.” Prior to the game Silas knew little about Erving: “Zelmo Beaty, who I had played with in St. Louis and Atlanta, had jumped leagues and when I saw him he was telling me about Doc—that he wasn’t a good shooter but he just went by everybody. He just took up the slack, penetrated around and dunked on everybody. And I’m wondering how that happened. How could it happen? He developed a consistent shot, but it took time for him to do that. He was special.”

Daniels had seen some great dunks before, including one by Hawkins over Daniels’ Minnesota Muskies’ teammate Sam Smith in the 1968 ABA playoffs, but nothing quite like Erving’s flight in the 1972 Supergame: “He leapt from behind the free throw line, hung in the air for two or three seconds it seemed and dunked it. It was an absolutely amazing dunk and you had to see it to really appreciate it. Telling you about it does not do it the justice it deserves.”

Erving recalls, “I stole the ball and got Oscar Robertson and Archie Clark caught back on defense and Archie went for the steal, which made me pick the ball up. I was around the top of the key, coming in transition…I took a step and a half and went airborne from somewhere around the foul line, just inside the foul line. I noticed Oscar Robertson was there and just looking at me like, ‘What does this kid think he is going to do?’ He figured that I was going to come out of the air before I made it to the basket, but I got all the way to the basket and I dunked the ball and the ball bounced up into his hands and there was a certain expression on his face at the time—as well as Archie’s—almost like it was a moment. And I just ran back downcourt, but later on a lot of people talked about that play.”

In many ways Erving’s dunk symbolizes the ABA and the Supergames in one spectacular athletic flourish—it was amazing and yet no footage of it exists. Fortunately, Erving’s free throw line dunk to win the 1976 ABA Slam Dunk contest was captured for posterity.

NBA
Player FGM FGA FTM FTA PTS PF
John Havlicek^* 5 NA 7 9 17 NA
Connie Hawkins^* 2 NA 2 6 6 NA
Wilt Chamberlain^* 2 NA 2 4 6 NA
Oscar Robertson^* 5 NA 4 4 14 NA
Archie Clark^ 5 NA 5 7 15 NA
Bob Lanier* 7 NA 1 4 15 NA
Nate Archibald* 4 NA 4 6 12 NA
Bob Love 4 NA 2 2 10 NA
Gail Goodrich* 3 NA 2 3 8 NA
Paul Silas 1 NA 1 2 3 NA

TOTALS: 38 NA 30 47 106 27

ABA
Player FGM FGA FTM FTA PTS PF
Rick Barry^* 4 NA 2 2 11 NA
Dan Issel^* 4 NA 0 0 8 NA
Artis Gilmore^* 7 NA 0 5 14 NA
Jimmy Jones^ 3 NA 1 2 7 NA
Donnie Freeman^ 5 NA 6 7 16 NA
Julius Erving* 5 NA 3 4 13 NA
Ralph Simpson 5 NA 2 4 12 NA
Willie Wise 4 NA 4 5 12 NA
George Thompson 2 NA 3 3 7 NA
Roger Brown 1 NA 0 0 2 NA
Mel Daniels 1 NA 0 0 2 NA

TOTALS: 41 NA 21 32 104 32

1 2 3 4 Tot.
NBA 21 29 33 23 106
ABA 30 26 25 23 104
*HOF'ers
Bob Lanier was game MVP
 

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First question that came up in my mind. That crossover at 4:45... dude was well ahead of his time with some of those moves.

:comeon: at them young cats talking about what those old heads gonna do when AI hit'em with the killa cross.

Question should be what AI gone do when hooper named Archie hit him wit a cross.

Modern day ballers got all the knowledge of the old school. But the old school don't have the resources of today. If they did..........:whew:
 

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yall seem to like Archie Clark... maybe I should make a mix wit him and some of the other underrated streetballer style guards of that era... Wali Jones was no slouch with the ball in an open court either - would stop and start on a dime dribble behind his back then throw a blind pass n have the D goin the other way. I got footage of 5-9 Calvin Murphy throwin down a dunk with his warmups on - prime Nate Archibald goes wild in that 73 all-star game Ill pull some highlights of him too - shyt than u got earl the pearl - some pretty good guards played back then :obama:

most people think of Clyde Frazier Jerry West or Oscar Robertson footage when they think guards of back then, all 3 of which played a very fundamental style ball that looks maybe a bit too boring/unimpressive on film to a casual modern fan but not everyone played such a "plain" game there were some streetballers in the league back then... btw, effectiveness > style so it would not be wise to underestimate a plain jane player like Oscar back then who will just back u down and score just as if not more effectively than a wild Clark style player using a crossover
 
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most people think of Clyde Frazier Jerry West or Oscar Robertson footage when they think guards of back then, all 3 of which played a very fundamental style ball that looks maybe a bit too boring/unimpressive on film to a casual modern fan but not everyone played such a "plain" game there were some streetballers in the league back then... btw, effectiveness > style so it would not be wise to underestimate a plain jane player like Oscar back then who will just back u down and score just as if not more effectively than a wild Clark style player using a crossover

I don't think anyone is disputing that effectiveness > style. Most people on this board acknowledge Tim Duncan as a #1- #2 PF of all time (GOAT IMO). I was just surprised to see Clark pulling those handles out, all the highlights I've ever seen from past decades never demonstrated players that had that sort of style.

I'd love to see a highlight film of these types of players to debunk the myth that a lack of coordination and flair for the dramatic were characteristic of pre-90s ball.
 

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I don't think anyone is disputing that effectiveness > style. Most people on this board acknowledge Tim Duncan as a #1- #2 PF of all time (GOAT IMO). I was just surprised to see Clark pulling those handles out, all the highlights I've ever seen from past decades never demonstrated players that had that sort of style.

I'd love to see a highlight film of these types of players to debunk the myth that a lack of coordination and flair for the dramatic were characteristic of pre-90s ball.

U guys know ur ball then, props - not every board is that smart

When I start tyin up my recent mix projects ill see what i can do to put together a highlight of some playground moves from back then
 

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:comeon: at them young cats talking about what those old heads gonna do when AI hit'em with the killa cross.

Question should be what AI gone do when hooper named Archie hit him wit a cross.

Modern day ballers got all the knowledge of the old school. But the old school don't have the resources of today. If they did..........:whew:

Seriously though...the reason Archie Clark is standing out is because he's the only one doing it. He even did the Euro Step too.

Many players are doing it now. Archie looked as if he stepped out a hot tub time machine.
 

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Seriously though...the reason Archie Clark is standing out is because he's the only one doing it. He even did the Euro Step too.

Many players are doing it now. Archie looked as if he stepped out a hot tub time machine.

Theres more than just Clark from back then, streetball type talent was flooding the NBA in the late 60's and early 70's - all part of Wilt's, West's, and Robertson's era - i could put together a mix from back then that literally nobody would tell the difference between the style of that decade and the '00s decade. It wouldn't be an honest mix though because the 60's and early 70's was technically a mixture of both but the modern style basketball was being played in the league back then it just wasn't being used by the most dominant players so people dont think of it when they think of basketball back then




 
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Seriously though...the reason Archie Clark is standing out is because he's the only one doing it. He even did the Euro Step too.

Many players are doing it now. Archie looked as if he stepped out a hot tub time machine.

My point was more so was that they where not completely oblivious to a specific move or type/style of play.

Dudes act like if a 60s player saw a quick cross he wouldnt know what to do. That being said Archie did these moves and he wasn't regarded as the best (not even close). I've heard on this site, people saying scrubs would dominate that era basiclly cause he has mastered the euro step:stopitslime:

Also, it's funny how street ball moves from the 60-70s are a norm in today's league. But in today's league, street ball moves are basiclly glorified traveling violations.
 

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My point was more so was that they where not completely oblivious to a specific move or type/style of play.

Dudes act like if a 60s player saw a quick cross he wouldnt know what to do. That being said Archie did these moves and he wasn't regarded as the best (not even close). I've heard on this site, people saying scrubs would dominate that era basiclly cause he has mastered the euro step:stopitslime:

Also, it's funny how street ball moves from the 60-70s are a norm in today's league. But in today's league, street ball moves are basiclly glorified traveling violations.

wasnt someone on here convinced they could dominate back then cause they said they would just cross people up all day? :pachaha:
 

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^^^^right. It took little, to no effort to watch those videos to avoid sounding like a complete dumbass. But Stans gonna Stan.:snoop:
 
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