Captain America, Brave New World Official Thread

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While I agree with this quote somewhat, there still has to be some stakes and sense of scale, even in something like superhero stuff.

I'd say consistency. The world has to be consistent with its internal rules. MCU world says "hulk is much stronger than a normal human" + says "falcon is a normal human"

Without consistency you loose a frame of reference, narrative weaving and hence believable (likely in world) stakes.

The universe of The Little Mermaid establishes the crabs can sing. The Marvel Universe establishes that Hulk is one of the strongest characters in said universe. Meanwhile, Sam Wilson is established as a normal man just with some fancy gadgets.

So not even in the fictional Marvel Universe does it make sense for Sam to go toe-to-toe with Red Hulk :hubie:

Even in the comics they play with scaling powers but within limits.

Robert Mayer Burnett often talks about the need for believability in the stakes in a movie as encompassed by the term "verisimilitude".

"Verisimilitude (/ˌvɛrɪsɪˈmɪlɪtjuːd/) is the "lifelikeness" or believability of a work of fiction. The word comes from Latin: verum meaning truth and similis meaning similar.[1] Language philosopher Steve Neale distinguishes between two types: cultural verisimilitude, meaning plausibility of the fictional work within the cultural and/or historical context of the real world, outside of the work; and generic verisimilitude, meaning plausibility of a fictional work within the bounds of its own genre (so that, for example, characters regularly singing about their feelings is a believable action within the fictional universe of a musical)"

"In the production of the classic superhero film, Superman, director Richard Donner had a picture of the title character holding a sash with the word "verisimilitude" on it in his office during the project. That display was to remind Donner that he intended to approach the story of the fantasy superhero in a way true to the source material that would make it feel intuitively real to the audience within the context of the story's world. The result was a highly acclaimed film that would set the standard for a film genre that would become dominant decades later.[8]"


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I got where you're coming from, but at the end of the day these movies are just popcorn flicks. Canonically Batman fell from the moon and survived. As an avid comic book reader I understand that you're not supposed to take these stories too seriously. Even the most well written, most respected story arcs are full of nonsense if really look into it.

Sam didn't go toe to toe with Red Hulk. Even with the help of the Vibrianium suit, Sam could only land a few scratched on Red Hulk, and Red Hulk destroyed a lot of the suit

As much fun as we have with these who can beat who debates, another comic writers words to remember is Stan Lee

Yeah. I definitely understand that plot armor and the "rule of cool" are major parts of superhero stories.

However, like @null pointed out, I still think that there has to be some consistent level of verisimilitude. If there's no consistency with that, then I can no longer suspend my disbelief at what I'm watching.
 

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:russ: Falcon didn’t beat Red Hulk so the consistency is still intact. Bruhs are acting like Sam dog walked Ross lol. Bruh literally just calmed Ross down and talked him outta his rage. Something that Cap would do, but bruhs are acting like Falcon. Gave Ross the Thanos beating lol.

Most people couldn’t even calm someone down on PCP much less a Hulk :mjlol:

the way they treat the hulk in the MCU continues to be the biggest L all on its own
 

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I kinda want to see this but post-COVID I haven't been to a movie theater and refuse to go to one. Guess I'm waiting for Disney+ on 6 months or whatever. Given how this flopped maybe it'll be 3 months.
 

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:russ: Falcon didn’t beat Red Hulk so the consistency is still intact. Bruhs are acting like Sam dog walked Ross lol. Bruh literally just calmed Ross down and talked him outta his rage. Something that Cap would do, but bruhs are acting like Falcon. Gave Ross a Thanos beating lol.
Earlier in the movie, Sidewinder (Giancarlo Esposito) stabbed Sam multiple times, and Sam didn't even react or seemingly feel anything lol. He also "recovered" in no time. They also had breh surfing a missile in the ocean. Sam is clearly superhuman :pachaha:


Anyway, the "calming him down" scene felt empty and weightless to me. The only interaction Ross had in the movie with Betty before that scene was a brief, awkward phone call. Made worse by the fact that Harrison Ford is a recast since William Hurt passed away. So I felt nothing watching that.
 

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Earlier in the movie, Sidewinder (Giancarlo Esposito) stabbed Sam multiple times, and Sam didn't even react or seemingly feel anything lol. He also "recovered" in no time. They also had breh surfing a missile in the ocean. Sam is clearly superhuman :pachaha:


Anyway, the "calming him down" scene felt empty and weightless to me. The only interaction Ross had in the movie with Betty before that scene was a brief, awkward phone call. Made worse by the fact that Harrison Ford is a recast since William Hurt passed away. So I feel nothing watching that.
:russ:And that’s cool lol so the consistency in power levels are still intact. Because Sam didn’t beat the shyt outta Ross.
 
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