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I like Canelo, but is he really a p4p talent? Dude's best win is Lara which was ehhh at the scorecards. His best win besides that is washed up Mosley which is :yeshrug: .


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Yeah he's P4P.

He's 45-1-1, defeated 8 Champions already, and has only 1 loss...to Floyd. He's a 3x Champion and his wins over Trout and Lara are both very good W's.

How could Crawford, GGG, Yamanaka, and OochieWally be P4P, but not Canelo? He is imo.
 

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Nope.

To me Canelo hasn't CLEARLY beaten a legit threat that was in his prime and that campaigned in his division. Getting the win and clearly beating someone/dominating are 2 different things to me.

Mosley- solid win, but Shane was way past it.
Trout - solid win, but I thought he lost it or it could have been a draw. He looked good for about half that fight.
Lara - solid win, but shytty fight and during the only 4 rounds that Lara decided to actually box instead of running, he made Saul look bad.
Kirkland- solid win, but James was mad inactive and he lacked Wolfe in his corner. So it's more like Canelo beat up Kirkland's ghost.
Baldomier - solid win since he was the first to KO him, but this ain't the version Forrest, Floyd, and Clottey fought.
Gomez - solid, but he was getting his shyt boxed up and I don't remember that stoppage being that good either.
Older brother Cotto - solid win, but he damn near got knocked out.

I like Canelo. Dude throws some of the meanest combos and he fights good competition but he hasn't gotten that GOOD signature victory yet against a capable opponent.

Examples of good signature wins to me are as follows.....

Swift beating Mattysse
Broner beating Demarco
Crawford beating Gamboa
Rigo/Walters beating Donaire
Donaire beating Darchiniyan the 1st time....

The Cotto fight could very well be Canelo's time to shine and he can prolly accomplish what I'm asking of him. Who knows. I just can't say your p4p talent because you fight the best. You have to look good and clearly beat the best. Canelo fights the best, but hasn't dominated them yet. That and his shytty stamina are my only gripes with dude, but overall I fukks with Canelo. He got some nice names on his record, but they don't translate into good performances. Hopefully that makes sense to the OP. No shade, but some might take it that way.

This is prolly the most I posted about boxing all week. :mjcry:
 

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Didn't really beat Lara.


Nobody told Lara to stop throwing punches and to start running for his life.

As for the question...

I too like Canelo but I'm not sure if he's a pound for pound guy. His last five fights are against pretty good comp but no one great outside of Floyd.

Ward, Floyd, Wlad, are the dudes who are pound for pound kings and the one thing they have in common is that they've cleaned out their divisions. Eurodemon #1 would be 3rd or 4th and then Chocolatito.

So would you put Canelo above Cotto or GGG? Hell would you put him above Rigo? :yeshrug:
 

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Nope.

To me Canelo hasn't CLEARLY beaten a legit threat that was in his prime and that campaigned in his division. Getting the win and clearly beating someone/dominating are 2 different things to me.

Mosley- solid win, but Shane was way past it.
Trout - solid win, but I thought he lost it or it could have been a draw. He looked good for about half that fight.
Lara - solid win, but shytty fight and during the only 4 rounds that Lara decided to actually box instead of running, he made Saul look bad.
Kirkland- solid win, but James was mad inactive and he lacked Wolfe in his corner. So it's more like Canelo beat up Kirkland's ghost.
Baldomier - solid win since he was the first to KO him, but this ain't the version Forrest, Floyd, and Clottey fought.
Gomez - solid, but he was getting his shyt boxed up and I don't remember that stoppage being that good either.
Older brother Cotto - solid win, but he damn near got knocked out.

I like Canelo. Dude throws some of the meanest combos and he fights good competition but he hasn't gotten that GOOD signature victory yet against a capable opponent.

Examples of good signature wins to me are as follows.....

Swift beating Mattysse
Broner beating Demarco
Crawford beating Gamboa
Rigo/Walters beating Donaire
Donaire beating Darchiniyan the 1st time....

The Cotto fight could very well be Canelo's time to shine and he can prolly accomplish what I'm asking of him. Who knows. I just can't say your p4p talent because you fight the best. You have to look good and clearly beat the best. Canelo fights the best, but hasn't dominated them yet. That and his shytty stamina are my only gripes with dude, but overall I fukks with Canelo. He got some nice names on his record, but they don't translate into good performances. Hopefully that makes sense to the OP. No shade, but some might take it that way.

This is prolly the most I posted about boxing all week. :mjcry:
Agreed on all points, especially his endurance. It's almost a given that he'll be gassed by the 6th round every time out. If Cotto continues to attack the body like he's done since being with Roach, it'll be a big problem. We'll also really see what his defense is about in this fight.
 

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Nope.

To me Canelo hasn't CLEARLY beaten a legit threat that was in his prime and that campaigned in his division. Getting the win and clearly beating someone/dominating are 2 different things to me.

Mosley- solid win, but Shane was way past it.
Trout - solid win, but I thought he lost it or it could have been a draw. He looked good for about half that fight.
Lara - solid win, but shytty fight and during the only 4 rounds that Lara decided to actually box instead of running, he made Saul look bad.
Kirkland- solid win, but James was mad inactive and he lacked Wolfe in his corner. So it's more like Canelo beat up Kirkland's ghost.
Baldomier - solid win since he was the first to KO him, but this ain't the version Forrest, Floyd, and Clottey fought.
Gomez - solid, but he was getting his shyt boxed up and I don't remember that stoppage being that good either.
Older brother Cotto - solid win, but he damn near got knocked out.

I like Canelo. Dude throws some of the meanest combos and he fights good competition but he hasn't gotten that GOOD signature victory yet against a capable opponent.

Examples of good signature wins to me are as follows.....

Swift beating Mattysse
Broner beating Demarco
Crawford beating Gamboa
Rigo/Walters beating Donaire
Donaire beating Darchiniyan the 1st time....

The Cotto fight could very well be Canelo's time to shine and he can prolly accomplish what I'm asking of him. Who knows. I just can't say your p4p talent because you fight the best. You have to look good and clearly beat the best. Canelo fights the best, but hasn't dominated them yet. That and his shytty stamina are my only gripes with dude, but overall I fukks with Canelo. He got some nice names on his record, but they don't translate into good performances. Hopefully that makes sense to the OP. No shade, but some might take it that way.

This is prolly the most I posted about boxing all week. :mjcry:

lets not forget canelo almost gassing out trying to stop kermit cintron..that got the :huhldup: from me..and yes that gomez stoppage was a little quick to me too

canelo is like froch to me...has the wins but not the WIN to get him into top 10 status..a win over cotto will solidify him to me
 

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Nobody told Lara to stop throwing punches and to start running for his life.

As for the question...

I too like Canelo but I'm not sure if he's a pound for pound guy. His last five fights are against pretty good comp but no one great outside of Floyd.

Ward, Floyd, Wlad, are the dudes who are pound for pound kings and the one thing they have in common is that they've cleaned out their divisions. Eurodemon #1 would be 3rd or 4th and then Chocolatito.

So would you put Canelo above Cotto or GGG? Hell would you put him above Rigo? :yeshrug:

Nah
 

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Canelo gets full credit for the Trout W...Trout was coming off beating Cotto...nikkas swore Trout was a boogie man N Canelo would duck him...nikkas was even saying Floyd was ducking Trout

First unification fight at 154 between undefeated fighters since Tito vs Vargas

Ginger didn't win spectacular or anything but its in black & white he got the W N it was a big fight at the time
 

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Why you patricin boss? I wouldn't put him above any of those guys.
Nah bruh... I wouldn't either. I'm just not sure where he stands.

It seems like a slap in the face if he's not top ten becuz the dude is very talented but I can't argue with anyone who says he isn't top ten.
 

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Canelo gets full credit for the Trout W...Trout was coming off beating Cotto...nikkas swore Trout was a boogie man N Canelo would duck him...nikkas was even saying Floyd was ducking Trout

First unification fight at 154 between undefeated fighters since Tito vs Vargas

Ginger didn't win spectacular or anything but its in black & white he got the W N it was a big fight at the time


I agree. I thought it was a tough fight. Hell, I thought Trout put up a better fight than Lara, outside of getting knocked on his ass.
 
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