Canada 2025 Election: Sohh… the Tories are blowing a 25-point lead! Liberals have new life?!!

[the cac mamba]

The Republican presidential candidate and his first AG picks assaulted underage girls.

Shoutout to your normal party

imagine caping for illegal immigrant sex offenders. this party is so fukking lost

 

[Scoop]

I know nothing bout Canada politics but was Trudeau that bad?

Trudeau took over in 2015:

 

[Json]

imagine caping for illegal immigrant sex offenders. this party is so fukking lost

Aren’t Republicans those one talking about just enforce the laws on the books instead of making new ones?

There are already laws against immigrants for crimes (sexual or otherwise)with deportation punishment. Just wasting time for performance but you already know that.

Defending convicted felons and vaccine deniers is your crème de la crème of preference confirmed.

 

[the cac mamba]

Aren’t Republicans those one talking about just enforce the laws on the books instead of making new ones?

There are already laws against immigrants for crimes (sexual or otherwise)with deportation punishment. Just wasting time for performance but you already know that.

Defending convicted felons and vaccine deniers is your crème de la crème of preference confirmed.

sad that you think you're "owning the right", because you can't admit that caping for illegal immigrant sex offenders is terrible optics

learn nothing, brehs

 

[CrimsonTider]

The Republican presidential candidate and his first AG picks assaulted underage girls.

Shoutout to your normal party

Immigration isn’t partisan? Who are the Dems representing by voting this way?

 

[storyteller]

The Republican presidential candidate and his first AG picks assaulted underage girls.

Shoutout to your normal party

Sex offenses are already subject to deportation. That bill with a buzzword title broadened the definition in a manner that would potentially involve victims of domestic abuse and human trafficking being deported rather than protected. Which is why a bunch of groups that support victims of domestic violence and fight human trafficking opposed the bill.

https://freedomnetworkusa.org/app/uploads/2024/05/DV-SA-Coalition-Sign-On-opposing-HR7909.pdf

 

[CrimsonTider]

I am not here to defend Trudeau. Dude is a hack neoliberal. He also rocked black face.


Neoliberalism is a dying political ideology, which is what is mostly killing Canada.

@CrimsonTider is an anti-immigrant conservative who tagged me. I don't care for the immigration conversation because that's an easy scapegoat for more significant societal problems.

You can’t go argue against the will of the people in a democracy

Sex offenses are already subject to deportation. That bill with a buzzword title broadened the definition in a manner that would potentially involve victims of domestic abuse and human trafficking being deported rather than protected. Which is why a bunch of groups that support victims of domestic violence and fight human trafficking opposed the bill.

https://freedomnetworkusa.org/app/uploads/2024/05/DV-SA-Coalition-Sign-On-opposing-HR7909.pdf

I’m confused? They’re against the bill because if someone is accused of domestic violence then they won’t be let in or they will get kick out of the country?

 

[storyteller]

You can’t go argue against the will of the people in a democracy

I’m confused? They’re against the bill because if someone is accused of domestic violence then they won’t be let in or they will get kick out of the country?

Bolding to stress this point: If someone is accused of domestic violence, and found guilty, they're already subject to getting kicked out of the country (or not allowed in). That doesn't require new legislation. But this removes judges discretion over the circumstances of an accusation and expands definitions in a manner that threatens to include survivors of domestic violence. That would cause victims to be less likely to come forward, so they're warning that the bill makes victims less safe rather than safer.

The legislation’s expansion of the definition of domestic violence, which was expressly included in the Violence Against Women Act to allow for the provision of a greater array of victim services, to include circumstances that may not involve violence, physical force, or threats of such is also likely to sweep more survivors into the scope of the ground of inadmissibility or deportability. This will result in more victims being deported and/or bar them from obtaining lawful status. In so doing, it invites additional scrutiny of survivors during the course of their efforts to obtain immigration protections and safety from violence.

Furthermore, expanding the grounds of inadmissibility or ineligibility for status with no waivers would increase the risk that victims will decline to seek assistance from law enforcement or services if they fear that it will result in a family member being barred from legal status. When creating penalties, balance is key. Deterrence is critically important but will be ineffective if consequences are so severe that survivors will not come forward.

To repeat something that I think should be obvious, there are already protections in place against domestic violence. But this limits a judge's discretion to look at the context behind accusations and proceed accordingly (similar to Mandatory Minimum Sentencing). That's why this letter was signed by a bunch of groups that protect victims of domestic violence. Here's the national groups that signed on:

Spoiler

Asian Pacific Institute on Gender-Based Violence
ASISTA Immigration Assistance
Esperanza United
Tahirih Justice Center
AF3IRM
American Friends Service Committee (AFSC)
Autistic Self Advocacy
BWJP
Caminar Latino- Latinos United for Peace and Equity
Center for Constitutional Rights
Center for Gender & Refugee Studies
Congregation of Our Lady of Charity of the Good Shepherd, U.S. Provinces
Freedom Network USA
Human Trafficking Legal Center
IAmProSe
Immigrant Legal Resource Center
Japanese American Citizens League
Jewish Women International
Joyful Heart Foundation
Just Solutions
Justice and Joy National Collaborative (formerly National Crittenton)
Justice for Migrant Women
Legal Momentum
Mujeres Latinas en Accion
National Advocacy Center of the Sisters of the Good Shepherd
National Alliance to End Sexual Violence
National Association of Social Workers
National Center on Domestic Violence, Trauma, and Mental Health
National Council of Jewish Women
National Employment Law Project
National Indigenous Women's Resource Center
National LGBTQ Institute on Intimate Partner Violence
National Network to End Domestic Violence
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National Resource Center on Domestic Violence
National Survivor Network
National Women's Law Center
Public Advocacy for Kids (PAK)
Reframe Health and Justice
Refugees International
Respect Together
Safe Havens Interfaith Partnership Against Domestic Violence and Elder Abuse
SAGE Empowerment
Sahiyo U.S.
South Asian SOAR
The National Domestic Violence Hotline
UltraViolet Action
VALOR
Youth First Justice Collaborative
YWCA USA

And there are even more state level advocates for victims signed on, but this is already a big post.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Bolding to stress this point: If someone is accused of domestic violence, and found guilty, they're already subject to getting kicked out of the country (or not allowed in). That doesn't require new legislation. But this removes judges discretion over the circumstances of an accusation and expands definitions in a manner that threatens to include survivors of domestic violence. That would cause victims to be less likely to come forward, so they're warning that the bill makes victims less safe rather than safer.



To repeat something that I think should be obvious, there are already protections in place against domestic violence. But this limits a judge's discretion to look at the context behind accusations and proceed accordingly (similar to Mandatory Minimum Sentencing). That's why this letter was signed by a bunch of groups that protect victims of domestic violence. Here's the national groups that signed on:

And there are even more state level advocates for victims signed on, but this is already a big post.

Gotcha. This is on the Biden Administration. They ignored how well the republicans were doing on immigration until it was too late.

Biden could’ve easily grabbed the narrative on immigration from Trump

 

[storyteller]

Gotcha. This is on the Biden Administration. They ignored how well the republicans were doing on immigration until it was too late.

Biden could’ve easily grabbed the narrative on immigration from Trump

I agree there. The Biden Administration really failed to counteract everything the rightwing did to control the narrative. They should have been more aggressive when Abbott and Desantis were misleading and trafficking immigrants, they shoulda shut Eric Adams down when he joined in on the narratives, and they should have been pushing alternative solutions and ideas. But I don't think the Biden administration ever had much interest in alternative solutions (they carried over a lot of Trump's measures until they legally couldn't anymore).

 

[Pressure]

Gotcha. This is on the Biden Administration. They ignored how well the republicans were doing on immigration until it was too late.

Biden could’ve easily grabbed the narrative on immigration from Trump

Nope. He can’t because of f the loud contingent of liberals who act like any common sense legislation is a crime against humanity and worthy of abstaining to vote.

So yes, he could have done these things, but it wouldn’t matter because his actions would be drowned out like so many of his other accomplishments.

I wish leadership would govern and not give some of this bullshyt oxygen that sets these narratives republicans run with

 

[Pressure]

Going back to narratives. Roy cooper beat the incumbent due to backlash over the bathroom bill, but never had his tenure as governor defined by trans issues no matter how hard republicans tried during his first term.

Hopefully Dems take the good advice from how to govern and set your narratives and let your accomplishments stand out.

I say this as someone who watched him veto all kinds of shyt and still control the narrative

 

[mastermind]

But I don't think the Biden administration ever had much interest in alternative solutions

And this is the crux of the problem that a lot of posters on here can’t compute.

edit: why are we talking US politics in a thread about Canada?

 

[hashmander]

god damn you can't even come into a thread about something not related to biden and us election issues and see it take over that thread.

higher learning boy.

 

[the next guy]

This is going to be a brutal 4 years for Canada