Canada 2021 Elections: Sept 20, 2021 - Liberals win minority government again!

[JLova]

We’re not doing the whole “The NDP have great ideas but they would never work in the real world” low information voter stuff in 2021

My problem with NDP is they will spend worse than the Libs. Thry don’t seem to believe in checks and balances. All the stuff that they're promising is just not practical especially home affordability. Some of the policy does not seem to be well thought out. They will be spending more than the liberals and based on the policy home prices will continue to increase.

aside from the house whit all I read is spend, spend, spend. We already in such a hike and will be spending more. I just don’t fukk with their platform. A lot of promises that thry won’t be able to keep.

 

[FAH1223]

 

[JLova]

Giant waste of time. Trudeau never pays for his idiocy, though.

 

[Broke Wave]

My problem with NDP is they will spend worse than the Libs. Thry don’t seem to believe in checks and balances. All the stuff that they're promising is just not practical especially home affordability. Some of the policy does not seem to be well thought out. They will be spending more than the liberals and based on the policy home prices will continue to increase.

aside from the house whit all I read is spend, spend, spend. We already in such a hike and will be spending more. I just don’t fukk with their platform. A lot of promises that thry won’t be able to keep.

I don’t understand what is your aversion to spending money? Can you think of a time where Canada wasn’t spending tons of money and didn’t have a high debt to GDP ratio? During 10 years of Harper he exploded the national debt and deficit spending more money than the NDP would have likely spent yet all of the spending was done in the form of corporate give aways and military expenses. The Liberals are obviously morally bankrupt as a party anybody can see that even their supporters.

I don’t understand what a government is supposed to do besides spend spend spend? Looking at economic data Canada has had absolutely anemic levels of investment compared to other g-20 nations let alone the g-7. Other countries have high speed rail and Toronto is raping people on parking tickets to pay for the 20 year Metrolinx expansion because the Ford cons won’t spent the allotted money.

I just want to know what is an example of what exactly a voter like you is looking for in terms of investment in the economy and combating the obvious climate apocalypse where entire Canadian towns are being engulfed by flames and every city in the worlds second largest country from coast to coast is blanketed in a poisonous noxious ash cloud?

 

[Broke Wave]

@JLova Sorry if I came across as an arrogant prick too bro. I didnt mean it and i know you're also a black canadian like me.

I just get angry about this stuff because trust me and believe me in my heart I hate Justin Trudeau's smug racist ass. He is the ugliest fakest man to hold that office worse than Harper morally. That's where I'm at. I would rather the Cons win by a mile than another Trudeau parliament again. He is absolutely just awful. At least the racist ass Harper government those guys were at the very very least Canadian nationalists. At the very very very least they were beer hockey moose lumberjacks etc. This guy isn't even that. He represents everything wrong with everybody.

 

[JLova]

You simply can't just spend money and bankrupt a country that has literally nothing going for itself outside of the real estate industry. What other industries are killing it for us? The numbers don't make sense. That debt needs to be paid and unrortunately the NDP likes to saddle the middle class to pay for it by way of taxes and other policies that impact them. You can't spend your way out of problems. That's what got us here. Sawy what you want about Harper (not a fan) but home prices were not as out of reach under him. Under Lib government home prices catapulted.

With regards to NDP and their "plans". Giving people money or extending ammortizations for 1st time home buyers do not solve the affordability problem. They just make home more expensive. I don't like any of the parties...I think Libs have the worst platform and Cons have the best one. Mainly because it removes/reduces the stress test should calm immigration and will try to at least be more pro-business. Libs are complete garbage..I can understand people voting NDP more than voting Libs.

I don't mind spending at all, but it has to be on shyt that is going to be better for the country as a whole. To me spending money on "programs" that only serve a small group of people is stupid. I'm all for high speed rail but it's not easy to do. There are a lot of roadblocks. I'm worried that we don't have much going for ourselves besides real estate and industries that are attached to it. So handing money over to the non-productive is a problem at the expense of the hard working middle class is something the Libs love to do and I'm not for that.

At the end of the day we have to vote for our best interests. NDP/Lib will most likely hurt me more than Cons...and when that happens I'll have to accept some of the pain that will come with that vote.

If Libs replaced Trudeau and was more business oriented I'd likely vote for them.

 

[FAH1223]

You simply can't just spend money and bankrupt a country that has literally nothing going for itself outside of the real estate industry. What other industries are killing it for us? The numbers don't make sense. That debt needs to be paid and unrortunately the NDP likes to saddle the middle class to pay for it by way of taxes and other policies that impact them. You can't spend your way out of problems. That's what got us here. Sawy what you want about Harper (not a fan) but home prices were not as out of reach under him. Under Lib government home prices catapulted.

With regards to NDP and their "plans". Giving people money or extending ammortizations for 1st time home buyers do not solve the affordability problem. They just make home more expensive. I don't like any of the parties...I think Libs have the worst platform and Cons have the best one. Mainly because it removes/reduces the stress test should calm immigration and will try to at least be more pro-business. Libs are complete garbage..I can understand people voting NDP more than voting Libs.

I don't mind spending at all, but it has to be on shyt that is going to be better for the country as a whole. To me spending money on "programs" that only serve a small group of people is stupid. I'm all for high speed rail but it's not easy to do. There are a lot of roadblocks. I'm worried that we don't have much going for ourselves besides real estate and industries that are attached to it. So handing money over to the non-productive is a problem at the expense of the hard working middle class is something the Libs love to do and I'm not for that.

At the end of the day we have to vote for our best interests. NDP/Lib will most likely hurt me more than Cons...and when that happens I'll have to accept some of the pain that will come with that vote.

If Libs replaced Trudeau and was more business oriented I'd likely vote for them.

What are the Tories proposing that will make housing affordable?

And why didn't they do that shid pre-2015?

 

[JLova]

What are the Tories proposing that will make housing affordable?

And why didn't they do that shid pre-2015?

Issue was nowhere near as bad as it was in pre 2015. Libs started going hard on imigration and created policies to really push housing beyond affordable levels. How? The stress test. Completely retarded but kept many 1st time buyers out of homes and pushed everyone into the same category (below $1M) that just put upwards pressure on condos, townhouses and semis. Bringing in rent control and an overall plan to demonize landlords and overextend helping renters upwards pressure. Yes, rent is a provincial thing, but when the prime minister is telling renters to not pay rent if they don't want to, what do you expect? Rents are rebounding big time and landlords remember how things were just a year ago.

NDP in BC, Libs in Ontario (I understand Ontario is under Cons rule, but Libs came in with the policies that turned the market on its head)....have all created policies to "help" and have done the opposite.

Libs appoint people who have no experience...wtf is Frieland doing? She does not belong. Terrible judgement. Calling the election..terrible judgement. Too many things to list. We talking about the Conservatives when Trudeau has been here 6 years.

 

[Broke Wave]

Issue was nowhere near as bad as it was in pre 2015. Libs started going hard on imigration and created policies to really push housing beyond affordable levels. How? The stress test. Completely retarded but kept many 1st time buyers out of homes and pushed everyone into the same category (below $1M) that just put upwards pressure on condos, townhouses and semis. Bringing in rent control and an overall plan to demonize landlords and overextend helping renters upwards pressure. Yes, rent is a provincial thing, but when the prime minister is telling renters to not pay rent if they don't want to, what do you expect? Rents are rebounding big time and landlords remember how things were just a year ago.

NDP in BC, Libs in Ontario (I understand Ontario is under Cons rule, but Libs came in with the policies that turned the market on its head)....have all created policies to "help" and have done the opposite.

Libs appoint people who have no experience...wtf is Frieland doing? She does not belong. Terrible judgement. Calling the election..terrible judgement. Too many things to list. We talking about the Conservatives when Trudeau has been here 6 years.

I appreciate your input brother but as far as the conservatives and housing prices…

would you say that an NDP government at any point in the last 20 years would have made it easier or harder for foreign buyers and capital to make housing totally unaffordable for everybody?

or is it more likely that this is the product of years and years of trickle down neo liberalism at varying degrees? The founder of the NDP is also the founder of Canada’s public health care system, I don’t think enough people understand that. It’s time for a systematic change like the change that occurred during that era.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

I appreciate your input brother but as far as the conservatives and housing prices…

would you say that an NDP government at any point in the last 20 years would have made it easier or harder for foreign buyers and capital to make housing totally unaffordable for everybody?

or is it more likely that this is the product of years and years of trickle down neo liberalism at varying degrees? The founder of the NDP is also the founder of Canada’s public health care system, I don’t think enough people understand that. It’s time for a systematic change like the change that occurred during that era.

Agreed Canada is ready for their maple syrup Mussolini

 

[JLova]

I appreciate your input brother but as far as the conservatives and housing prices…

would you say that an NDP government at any point in the last 20 years would have made it easier or harder for foreign buyers and capital to make housing totally unaffordable for everybody?

or is it more likely that this is the product of years and years of trickle down neo liberalism at varying degrees? The founder of the NDP is also the founder of Canada’s public health care system, I don’t think enough people understand that. It’s time for a systematic change like the change that occurred during that era.

Absolutely. I think a lot of politicians don't know wtf they're doing. LIke for instance, lets give people more money so they can afford housing. Sounds like a great idea, right? No, it doesn't. It eventually raises home prices because people can afford more. Just like how rent control was a great idea. Nope. Rent prices have skyrocketed. Stress test. Great idea. Well, it fukked over the first time home buyers and those at the lower end of the property ladder.

So policy can have great intentions but have opposite results. That's how I think NDP would have done things. Systemic change? Sure. I'm for it...maybe more people need to stand on their own 2. The ones who want it and work for it should be helped along. The ones who are here for a free ride shouldn't. Folk would seriously love for every Canadian to be gifted a house. NDP again spend spend spend spend just so we can all have houses...then what? How is it going to work? They're going to keep the immigration numbers up but at the same time build all this housing. Who's going to build it? Builders? Yea right. How will they be incentivized? There's so much more that is at play in the market that folk don't even think about. Home prices are high for many reasons, but one thing no one talks about is the cost to build. From labor to taxes on top of taxes...it's cost prohibitive to build affordable housing. So much at play pushing prices upwards. But NDP will just "figure it out" I suppose. If they get the opportunity...they'll learn.

You mentioned a living wage. Nah. Again, middle class and higher income earners getting fukked again. Where do we fit in besides getting taxed up the ass to fund their projects.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Justin Trudeau Snaps at Anti-Vaxxer Who Made Sexist Insult About His Wife

 

[Broke Wave]

Absolutely. I think a lot of politicians don't know wtf they're doing. LIke for instance, lets give people more money so they can afford housing. Sounds like a great idea, right? No, it doesn't. It eventually raises home prices because people can afford more. Just like how rent control was a great idea. Nope. Rent prices have skyrocketed. Stress test. Great idea. Well, it fukked over the first time home buyers and those at the lower end of the property ladder.

So policy can have great intentions but have opposite results. That's how I think NDP would have done things. Systemic change? Sure. I'm for it...maybe more people need to stand on their own 2. The ones who want it and work for it should be helped along. The ones who are here for a free ride shouldn't. Folk would seriously love for every Canadian to be gifted a house. NDP again spend spend spend spend just so we can all have houses...then what? How is it going to work? They're going to keep the immigration numbers up but at the same time build all this housing. Who's going to build it? Builders? Yea right. How will they be incentivized? There's so much more that is at play in the market that folk don't even think about. Home prices are high for many reasons, but one thing no one talks about is the cost to build. From labor to taxes on top of taxes...it's cost prohibitive to build affordable housing. So much at play pushing prices upwards. But NDP will just "figure it out" I suppose. If they get the opportunity...they'll learn.

You mentioned a living wage. Nah. Again, middle class and higher income earners getting fukked again. Where do we fit in besides getting taxed up the ass to fund their projects.

You have to break your ideology down... what exactly do you believe that the society should be doing right now? You didn't address the fact that entire canadian towns are being engulfed by flames and Toronto was under a disgusting cloud of ash for a week. The climate is collapsing. What should be done about that?

Also I don't understand this stuff about a free ride etc... this is a society. This social engineering of people "standing on their own feet" hasn't worked for anyone.

I'm asking for solutions. What do we do about the housing crisis? It's easy to pick apart things that aren't working or speculate on the future of policies meant to build the housing. Whose going to build it? The developers wont build it because it wont be profitable? Are you saying that the profit margins are so RAZOR THIN on property development that in fact the exorbitant housing costs are in line with increasing labour costs and taxation, even though wages have remained largely stagnant across all sectors and taxation has actually gone down?

How could anyone be against a living wage? How is that even a humane society? What kind of barbaric society allows people to pay other people so little that they cant even afford to live a bare minimum decent living? These people have a basic cost to life in Toronto or any city. There is a cost associated with a basic life which includes food housing etc. A bare minimum just to survive. How is it then that an employer can pay less than the cost of labour?Forget labour costs, is there not a cost associated with labour?

 

[FAH1223]

@Broke Wave @thatrapsfan @TradePascalSiakam @Miggs @Techniec @Inspect Her Deck @jdubnyce @Kwabena

looks like status quo

 

[jdubnyce]

@Broke Wave @thatrapsfan @TradePascalSiakam @Miggs @Techniec @Inspect Her Deck @jdubnyce @Kwabena

looks like status quo

We footing half a billy for no change