Can we talk about how it seems that Warner Bros. has no faith in doing a true "Man of Steel" sequel?

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

Superman is just too corny for grown men lets be honest? And i guess they refuse to try to just sell em to kids and say "fuk yall old nikkas,yall had yalls time,this a reboot for the kids foh"....nah they wanna make some wanna be "dark" superman movie instead....and failed miserably becuse they made superman the same ol aloof choir boy he always been

Homie is right they shouldve done a real reboot. I woulda liked to see Clark breaking headboards while fukin bytches as a young adult...i woulda liked to see clark punch a hole thru a couple bullys chest and beat them so severly maybe he has to go to court about it....show em chasin down lowley car thieves and bringing a sledgehammer down on ants and maybe goin a little too far for just a car thief....i wouldnt have even minded him being in thea military fukking up tanks and shyt and learning his discipline and good guyto ways from there....id basically like to see them do superman as a less fukked up Hancock kinda...i know comic fans wouldnt go for sups bein a alchoholic drug abusing womanizer....but it would have been cool to see his teenage years and how maybe thru mistakes he made decided he had to be a boyscout....i dont wanna hear he's always been that powerful and always had self control to use his powers for good even as a youngin...at least make em flip some cows....if superman can kill zod he coulda killed sumbody earlier in the movie like that trucker,and then regreted it and not killed zod in that anticlimatic azz way.

Superman on Molly would've been epic. But he could've been an outcast hunted by the Feds until he harnessed his powers then came out on some g shyt.

Rouge villains with super weapons. They could've played it a dozen ways, and saved Zod for the sequel. Instead we get a shytty story with a shyt load of plot holes wrapped in cgi costumes to hide the smell.

 

[Supercoolmayo]

If only DBZ got the budget Man of Steel got

 

[Ain't That Something]

If only DBZ got the budget Man of Steel got

M.O.S is what dragon ball evolution wish he was

 

[Art Barr]

Superman is just too corny for grown men lets be honest? And i guess they refuse to try to just sell em to kids and say "fuk yall old nikkas,yall had yalls time,this a reboot for the kids foh"....nah they wanna make some wanna be "dark" superman movie instead....and failed miserably becuse they made superman the same ol aloof choir boy he always been

Homie is right they shouldve done a real reboot. I woulda liked to see Clark breaking headboards while fukin bytches as a young adult...i woulda liked to see clark punch a hole thru a couple bullys chest and beat them so severly maybe he has to go to court about it....show em chasin down lowley car thieves and bringing a sledgehammer down on ants and maybe goin a little too far for just a car thief....i wouldnt have even minded him being in thea military fukking up tanks and shyt and learning his discipline and good guyto ways from there....id basically like to see them do superman as a less fukked up Hancock kinda...i know comic fans wouldnt go for sups bein a alchoholic drug abusing womanizer....but it would have been cool to see his teenage years and how maybe thru mistakes he made decided he had to be a boyscout....i dont wanna hear he's always been that powerful and always had self control to use his powers for good even as a youngin...at least make em flip some cows....if superman can kill zod he coulda killed sumbody earlier in the movie like that trucker,and then regreted it and not killed zod in that anticlimatic azz way.

Superman is just too corny for grown men lets be honest? And i guess they refuse to try to just sell em to kids and say "fuk yall old nikkas,yall had yalls time,this a reboot for the kids foh"....nah they wanna make some wanna be "dark" superman movie instead....and failed miserably becuse they made superman the same ol aloof choir boy he always been

Homie is right they shouldve done a real reboot. I woulda liked to see Clark breaking headboards while fukin bytches as a young adult...i woulda liked to see clark punch a hole thru a couple bullys chest and beat them so severly maybe he has to go to court about it....show em chasin down lowley car thieves and bringing a sledgehammer down on ants and maybe goin a little too far for just a car thief....i wouldnt have even minded him being in thea military fukking up tanks and shyt and learning his discipline and good guyto ways from there....id basically like to see them do superman as a less fukked up Hancock kinda...i know comic fans wouldnt go for sups bein a alchoholic drug abusing womanizer....but it would have been cool to see his teenage years and how maybe thru mistakes he made decided he had to be a boyscout....i dont wanna hear he's always been that powerful and always had self control to use his powers for good even as a youngin...at least make em flip some cows....if superman can kill zod he coulda killed sumbody earlier in the movie like that trucker,and then regreted it and not killed zod in that anticlimatic azz way.

dawg,...
they don't even make Tony Starks , in the iron man movie like the real comic book drunk tony Starks.
so, why in the fukk,...?!?!?!?
would dc use the most morally compass based character of all time in this direction you proposed.
Art Barr

 

[Still Benefited]

dawg,...
they don't even make Tony Starks , in the iron man movie like the real comic book drunk tony Starks.
so, why in the fukk,...?!?!?!?
would dc use the most morally compass based character of all time in this direction you proposed.
Art Barr

Sometimes you gotta shake things up...im not saying he should be fukked up as Superman as we know him,but his build up to becoming superman can be flawed cant it?...past movies I don't remember ever covering him as young adult so they had license to do whatever they wanted to during that period....they had him tear that truckers truck up during the movie showing he had a mean streak,dont see why they couldnt have explored it further...him doing knucklehead shyt as a young man wouldn't have tarnished the image of superman but only made him more relateable and likeable...plus they had him kill,im not even proposing killing being necessary just some teenage hijinks and maybe bloody assaults that teach him a lesson..and not those wack Pa Kent lessons

Ironman is already likeable enuff,its hard to understand supermans motives other than "he's just nice like that" that's boring as shyt unless u appealing to little kids who believe the world is made of gumdrops,superman aint got no struggle.

And maybe its other directions they could've went,but now you gotta explain how a movie with the worst superman and worst lois is the best superman movie of all time...Maybe just maybe if Superman had a ounce of acting ability he could've been a likeable guy whos good just because he is....They barely gave dude lines because they knew how bad he was but had the look they wanted....to top that off Lois had less sex appeal than the kryptonian chick,and clarks mama.....which is fine and lois doesn't have to be a dime,but Lois was boring,looked too old,wasnt a good counter to Supermans extra serious azz...no chemistry whatsoever

I liked this movie first time I seen it dispite the plot holes,but its not good for a rewatch....if you only saw it once you gotta watch again and I think you will be

 

[Fillerguy]

I'm glad none of you guys are in decision making positions when it comes to these movies.

 

[Jello Biafra]

Sometimes you gotta shake things up...im not saying he should be fukked up as Superman as we know him,but his build up to becoming superman can be flawed cant it?...past movies I don't remember ever covering him as young adult so they had license to do whatever they wanted to during that period....they had him tear that truckers truck up during the movie showing he had a mean streak,dont see why they couldnt have explored it further...him doing knucklehead shyt as a young man wouldn't have tarnished the image of superman but only made him more relateable and likeable...plus they had him kill,im not even proposing killing being necessary just some teenage hijinks and maybe bloody assaults that teach him a lesson..and not those wack Pa Kent lessons

Ironman is already likeable enuff,its hard to understand supermans motives other than "he's just nice like that" that's boring as shyt unless u appealing to little kids who believe the world is made of gumdrops,superman aint got no struggle.

And maybe its other directions they could've went,but now you gotta explain how a movie with the worst superman and worst lois is the best superman movie of all time...Maybe just maybe if Superman had a ounce of acting ability he could've been a likeable guy whos good just because he is....They barely gave dude lines because they knew how bad he was but had the look they wanted....to top that off Lois had less sex appeal than the kryptonian chick,and clarks mama.....which is fine and lois doesn't have to be a dime,but Lois was boring,looked too old,wasnt a good counter to Supermans extra serious azz...no chemistry whatsoever

I liked this movie first time I seen it dispite the plot holes,but its not good for a rewatch....if you only saw it once you gotta watch again and I think you will be

You got people whining like their childhoods were stolen from them just because Superman wasn't a complete Dudley Do-Right cornball yet you wanted to see the character be a juvenile delinquent.
And I have seen the movie multiple times and it still holds up for me. It was the best superhero movie of 2013 by a mile.

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

You got people whining like their childhoods were stolen from them just because Superman wasn't a complete Dudley Do-Right cornball

Yeah so instead of him being a Dudley Do-Right cornball they made him into a deep retrospect goth cornball. But hey, at least they got the cornball down pat.

 

[Jello Biafra]

Yeah so instead of him being a Dudley Do-Right cornball they made him into a deep retrospect goth cornball. But hey, at least they got the cornball down pat.

I would think the cornball aspect would be exactly what you wanted since you seem to complain more that MOS isn't the Donner/Reeves Superman and that character was the corniest individual ever put on a movie screen whether he was being Clark or Superman.

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

I would think the cornball aspect would be exactly what you wanted since you seem to complain more that MOS isn't the Donner/Reeves Superman and that character was the corniest individual ever put on a movie screen whether he was being Clark or Superman.

I complained about MOS because of the shytty script and plot holes. fukk the comic books. fukk the cartoons. Writers need to step their game up plain and simple. Can't keep falling back on nostalgia and CGI. Studios spend more time doing action sequences and green screen shoots and the story itself. Why does superman have to be a cornball ass nikka? They can use basic character origins but how they interact and perceive themselves don't have to be by the book.

 

[TKOK]

supes doesn't even get top billing in his own sequel.

 

[Jello Biafra]

I complained about MOS because of the shytty script and plot holes. fukk the comic books. fukk the cartoons. Writers need to step their game up plain and simple. Can't keep falling back on nostalgia and CGI. Studios spend more time doing action sequences and green screen shoots and the story itself. Why does superman have to be a cornball ass nikka? They can use basic character origins but how they interact and perceive themselves don't have to be by the book.

Well I didn't think Clark was a cornball in MOS. I thought he was just a regular type dude with questions about his origins/place in the world and also a bit of a temper which is not a character trait that I can recall the character ever being shown to have in any previous iterations. So there was nothing "by the book" about the way the character was depicted in MOS.
And while I readily admit to the film having flaws I still enjoyed it for the re-imagining of the origin and the action scenes that finally put the power of a Superman character on display in a way that hadn't been done in live action before.

 

[Greenstrings]

Well I didn't think Clark was a cornball in MOS. I thought he was just a regular type dude with questions about his origins/place in the world and also a bit of a temper which is not a character trait that I can recall the character ever being shown to have in any previous iterations. So there was nothing "by the book" about the way the character was depicted in MOS.
And while I readily admit to the film having flaws I still enjoyed it for the re-imagining of the origin and the action scenes that finally put the power of a Superman character on display in a way that hadn't been done in live action before.

I don't think those that didn't enjoy the movie have done a particularly good job articulating their grievances but I think much of it centres around the bolded.
In Man of Steel the only thing that separated him from any other guy with an angsty troubled childhood, were the powers and for many people that just isn't Superman.

We buy into the idea of Superman as an unassailable force for good because we are shown people believing in him and time and again having their faith rewarded (religious metaphors are always unavoidable here) and there isn't a single Superman origin story that hasn't tried to set that tone initially. This dynamic gives him what you could cynically argue are two of his most powerful weapons; image and propaganda. In fact him having an alter-ego that works at a global newspaper is hugely convenient because how people feel about what Superman is doing is often more important just as important as what Superman is actually doing and it allows us to keep tabs on his public perception.

If he doesn't have that public trust then he's a short stop away from being an alien, something to be feared, an undesirable lightning rod for devastation and destruction. Time and again we've seen his enemies make him vulnerable by tarnishing his character but Man of Steel subverted the lofty hopes expectations people are supposed have of Superman without having set them up in the first place. For almost everyone in the world him being exposed as an alien interloper by Zod and their fight in Metropolis was the first they knew about him and try as I might I don't see how they can legitimately build him up as a public heroic figure that people would put their faith in. At this point the only thing that makes sense is humanity demanding that he leave Earth.

The reason why people harp on about why it is so hard to write good Superman stories is because he is supposed to embody something approaching perfection. Snyder and co did away with that element of his character in an effort to create something more relatable but that's the interesting thing. It turns out a lot of people don't want to relate to Superman, they want to be inspired by him. The internal juxtaposition of Superman/Clark Kent is useful because it starkly signposts the difference between the mundane and the awe inspiring (honestly I'm in no way mad that they did away with that or the daily planet gig but they didn't really add anything to take its place. As a result he's 33 in the movie yet his life feels void and empty.)

Now you could suggest that that on a human level its impossible to make an inspirational Superman movie without being corny or sacrificing realism but that ignores the conceit that allows us to accept him as a proposition in the first place. The idea of anything as perfect as we purport superman to be is hugely unrealistic, not because of his abilities alone but in how they interact with his character and what we already understand about the nature of power. Nothing that strong should be that humble and incorruptible Nothing that fast should be so patient. Nobody that isolated should have that much empathy. We allow ourselves to be drawn in because he represents the best of everything we want to believe about humanity.

I feel you could do anything you wanted in a Superman movie and as long as you captured the essence of that and for many Man of Steel didn't.

 

[Heelmatic]

Everything after Krypton felt rushed. They skipped through his maturation and hit you with flashbacks.

These were two of my favorite things about the movie. For a movie to be 2.5 hours long and not have you checking your watch....thats what you want. Didn't feel rushed, they just kept it moving. This didn't feel like a 2.5 hour movie the way everything kept moving, unlike a couple of Nolan's Batman movies, where they had their SLOW moments.

And yes they skipped thru his maturation and just gave us flashbacks, THANK GOD. Did we really need another movie where half the movie is him learning his powers and shyt? I thought they handled that part perfectly.

 

[Rekkapryde]

I thought Man Of Steel was dope. The hate is unwarranted IMO.